"When the communism comes back..."

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Basto, Dec 31, 2023.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Agree 100%.
     
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  2. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    You accuse me of "misuse" of authoritative texts. You have compared what I have done with what Protestants do. But you give no specific examples.

    Since you claim to know a lot about right and wrong interpretation of the Bible, what do you think this chapter from the Book of Wisdom is trying to teach us?

    Wisdom 5
    1 Then the righteous man will stand with great confidence
    in the presence of those who have afflicted him,
    and those who make light of his labors.
    2 When they see him, they will be shaken with dreadful fear,
    and they will be amazed at his unexpected salvation.
    3 They will speak to one another in repentance,
    and in anguish of spirit they will groan, and say,
    4 “This is the man whom we once held in derision
    and made a byword of reproach—we fools!
    We thought that his life was madness
    and that his end was without honor.
    5 Why has he been numbered among the sons of God?
    And why is his lot among the saints?
    6 So it was we who strayed from the way of truth,
    and the light of righteousness did not shine on us,
    and the sun did not rise upon us.
    7 We took our fill of the paths of lawlessness and destruction,
    and we journeyed through trackless deserts,
    but the way of the Lord we have not known.
    8 What has our arrogance profited us?
    And what good has our boasted wealth brought us?

    9 “All those things have vanished like a shadow,
    and like a rumor that passes by;
    10 like a ship that sails through the billowy water,
    and when it has passed no trace can be found,
    nor track of its keel in the waves;
    11 or as, when a bird flies through the air,
    no evidence of its passage is found;
    the light air, lashed by the beat of its pinions
    and pierced by the force of its rushing flight,
    is traversed by the movement of its wings,
    and afterward no sign of its coming is found there;
    12 or as, when an arrow is shot at a target,
    the air, thus divided, comes together at once,
    so that no one knows its pathway.
    13 So we also, as soon as we were born, ceased to be,
    and we had no sign of virtue to show,
    but were consumed in our wickedness.”
    14 Because the hope of the ungodly man is like chaff carried by the wind,
    and like a light hoarfrost driven away by a storm;
    it is dispersed like smoke before the wind,
    and it passes like the remembrance of a guest who stays but a day.

    The Reward of the Righteous
    15 But the righteous live for ever,
    and their reward is with the Lord;
    the Most High takes care of them.
    16 Therefore they will receive a glorious crown
    and a beautiful diadem from the hand of the Lord,
    because with his right hand he will cover them,
    and with his arm he will shield them.
    17 The Lord will take his zeal as his whole armor,
    and will arm all creation to repel his enemies;
    18 he will put on righteousness as a breastplate,
    and wear impartial justice as a helmet;
    19 he will take holiness as an invincible shield,
    20 and sharpen stern wrath for a sword,
    and creation will join with him to fight against the madmen.
    21 Shafts of lightning will fly with true aim,
    and will leap to the target as from a well-drawn bow of clouds,
    22 and hailstones full of wrath will be hurled as from a catapult;
    the water of the sea will rage against them,
    and rivers will relentlessly overwhelm them;
    23 a mighty wind will rise against them,
    and like a tempest it will winnow them away.
    Lawlessness will lay waste the whole earth,
    and evil-doing will overturn the thrones of rulers.

    Footnotes
    1. 5.13 Vulgate adds (verse 14): “14 Such things as these the sinners said in hell.”
    2. Wisdom 5:14 Or dust
    3. Wisdom 5:14 Other authorities read spider’s web
    4. Wisdom 5:17 Gk He
    5. Wisdom 5:17 Or punish
     
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  3. Basto

    Basto Powers

    More than 630 religious sites destroyed or damaged in Ukraine by Russian invasion

    A recent report from the evangelical organization Mission Eurasia describes the critical situation of Christians in Ukraine since the beginning of the Russian invasion in 2014 and especially after the large-scale invasion starting in 2022. Among other attacks on religion in Ukraine carried out by Russian invaders, stand out arrests of religious people, ban in occupied regions of religious denominations not affiliated with the Putinist regime and even the sacrilegious 'reconsecration' of a Catholic church by schismatic Russian Orthodox Church. According to this report, in the period between 2022 and 2023 alone, Russian invaders destroyed or damaged more than 630 religious sites in Ukraine.

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    On pages 16 and 17, two pieces of information related to the Catholic Church are highlighted what I had already included in this topic when they were reported by Ukrainian Catholic information channels.
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    Source:
    https://missioneurasia.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2025-Mission-Eurasia-report-on-Ukraine-ENG.pdf
     
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  4. Basto

    Basto Powers

    On page 24:
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  5. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Russian Patriarch Mocks Priest for Questioning Church’s Patriotism
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    The head of the Russian Orthodox Church publicly ridiculed a priest for criticizing the church’s alignment with the Kremlin’s wartime patriotic agenda, according to a leaked video recording.

    Patriarch Kirill, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, has been a vocal supporter of Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, and the country’s Orthodox Church played a central symbolic role in rallying public support for the war.

    “I don’t agree with such a patriotic trend in church relations,” a priest told Kirill at a clergy meeting on Tuesday. “A priest’s duty is to lead people to the Kingdom of Heaven and not to engage in patriotism.”

    Kirill shot back by asking the priest: “Are you, father, from Western Ukraine by any chance?”


    Following laughter and applause from the meeting hall, the church leader told the priest to “go sit down and think seriously about all that you just blurted out here.”
    Video of the exchange was published late Tuesday on a Telegram channel run by exiled Russian church affairs journalist Ksenia Luchenko. She identified the priest as Alexiy Shlyapin from the Moscow region town of Mozhaysk.

    Shlyapin is a follower of Father Daniel Sysoev, an influential fundamentalist priest who preached that Orthodox Christianity transcends national identity. Sysoev, who received multiple death threats, was shot dead in November 2009 in what was believed to be a religiously motivated attack.

    Sysoev’s followers hope the Russian Orthodox Church will canonize him in the future. An anti-war Christian group said Shlyapin raised the issue with Kirill at Tuesday’s clergy meeting.

    Russia’s Orthodox Church has framed the war in Ukraine as a “holy war,” urging its followers to fight Russia’s “external and internal enemies.” Dozens of Orthodox priests have been sent to the front lines to support Russian troops.

    In 2023, Kirill created a senior ecclesiastical position to oversee church activities in Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories. In his book “For Holy Rus,” which was published last year, he promised “eternal life” to Russian soldiers killed in combat.

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    Source: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...est-for-questioning-churchs-patriotism-a87963
     
  6. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Why doesn’t he imitate Saint Louis IX and fight on the front lines himself like a true crusader? His subservience to Putin is so pathetic that in 2022 he even named Putin the country’s chief exorcist against Ukraine, which is a blatant mockery of the sacramental of exorcism.
     
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  7. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Aleksandr Soldatov, journalist, columnist for ‘Novaya Gazeta’ and editor-in-chief of the portal ‘Credo.press’ explains well the nature of this false patriotic Christ:

    Novaya Gazeta columnist Aleksandr Soldatov, in his article about the persecution of evangelical pastors, notes that the persecution of Christian activists in Russia for their pacifist position has long become systemic.

    At the same time, according to the journalist, “persecution that Christians face in modern Russia is really much worse than the Soviet-atheist one.”

    “Then the emphasis was placed honestly: ‘There is no God – there is a God!’. Now, Christians are being destroyed in the name of the Russian patriotic Christ, whom official propaganda and the Russian Orthodox Church endow with features more reminiscent of the antichrist from the last book of the Bible, the Apocalypse,” said the columnist.


    It should be recalled that the head of the Russian Orthodox Church recognized the split in Russian society and lack of interest in the war.

    Source: https://df.news/en/2024/11/06/journalist-russia-s-patriotic-christ-more-like-antichrist/

    He should avoid high balconies...
     
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  8. Basto

    Basto Powers

    The head of Ukrainian Catholics, Bishop Sviatoslav Shevchuck, has strongly condemned this Russian manipulation of the Christian faith by the regime:


    Russia Dehumanizes Prisioners of War and Denies Them the Right to Pray
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    The Primate stated that the events unfolding on the front line are horrifying. Russia is determined to achieve their political aims by military means at any cost, are sacrificing thousands of their soldiers daily. It is a carnage.

    “However, we were most appalled last week,” said the Head of the Church, “by the footage of the brutal execution of six of our prisoners of war and the fact that the Russian who executed them wore a sticker with an icon of the unmade Savior on his chest. It is a truly ghastly scene… Christian conscience cannot tolerate this.”


    “A sacrilegious war cannot be justified. Defenseless victims must not be slaughtered in the name of God. Pope Francis has unequivocally defined the current situation. This is no longer a war, as it does not respect military customs and rules and international humanitarian law—it is thuggery,” His Beatitude Sviatoslav emphasized.

    The Head of the UGCC also noted that our cities and villages were being shelled by the enemy nightly this week.

    “Despite the brutal realities that we cannot reconcile or get used to, we want the world to hear the voice of our people once again: Ukraine stands! Ukraine fights! Ukraine prays!” he emphasized.

    According to him, last week became a special time of listening to our women, mothers who are relatives and friends of those who went missing or were taken captive by Russia from our territorial self-defense units.

    “In this conversation with women,” said the spiritual leader, “I was most struck by the story that our captives, imprisoned hostages, are not even allowed to pray. Russia treats them like animals, saying that animals do not pray. Prisoners of war are denied all religious attributes, including a cross and the Holy Scriptures.”

    At the request of the women, the Head of the Church appeals to international institutions, the Red Cross, and everyone who can help to intervene and ensure that prisoners of war illegally held by the Russian Federation can fulfill their religious needs, in particular, pray.

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    Source: https://ugcc.ua/en/data/ugcc-head-o...-pows-and-denies-them-the-right-to-pray-1409/

    The video mentioned by Bishop Sviatoslav is this:
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    Alternative link for the video:
    https://cdn.mnews.world/Video230125.mp4

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  9. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Hi Basto,

    I was reviewing your website, and I saw that you had posted a YouTube video that included a comment by Malachi Martin where he said that the authentic Third Secret of Fatima claims that "the last pope" would be under the influence of Satan."

    I wonder if you still think might be true?

    Here is the link to your post: https://odogmadafe.wordpress.com/20...trolo-de-satanas-seria-isto-parte-do-segredo/

    Here is the direct link to the Youtube video:

     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    I have heard him comment directly on this. Not the last pope but a pope. And all he said was " it sounds like this priest might have seen the text"
     
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  11. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Malachi Martin is a person with extremely exceptional intelligence and presents his ideas and knowledge in the most pleasant way. At the same time he was and still is a very enigmatic and controversial figure.

    Personally I believe that he actually had access to a lesser known part of the Secret of Fatima, otherwise I don't see how it would be possible for him to say or write some things at the time they were said or written. A mystic or a prophet doesn't seem to me to be the case...

    However, Malachi Martin is not part of the infallible magisterium of the Church and, therefore, must be considered with great caution. If he did have access to the unknown part of the Secret of Fatima - and I think he did - that means that since then his thoughts and opinions have been shaped by that fact, but that doesn't mean they are right, at least not all of them. Therefore, the greatest care we must take in relation to Malachi Martin is to try to separate what may be his knowledge of the Secret of Fátima and Catholicism in general from what may be his humanly fallible opinions. And I can tell you that I have already read or heard from him some big mistakes.

    Now to directly answer your question about the content of the video, in conscience I have to admit yes. In fact, a future "Pope under the control of Satan" (Malachi Martin himself suggests that the words might not be exactly those) seems to be in line with the content of other known Catholic prophecies. And from my point of view, Francis seems to objectively correspond to this description.
     
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  12. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Thanks Basto. I think we agree, then, on one of the essential points that I have been trying to make, which is that the authentic Third Secret likely warns of an apparent "Pope" who is under Satanic influence and who trying to "deceive even the elect" [Matthew 24:24] with a "religious deception" that leads them into apostasy from the truth [CCC, 675]. If I have misrepresented your thoughts, please correct me.

    The Fatima Center has produced a nice page summarizing other sources of the subject of the "apostasy in the Church" being the primary content of the authentic Third Secret. So this is not just a Malachi Martin thing. Cardinals are also on record saying the same thing. Here is that summary: https://fatima.org/some-other-witnesses-1930s-2003/

    If my assumptions above regarding our essential agreement are correct, what did you mean, then, when you said that the Third Secret text that I presented was "a text whose content is so obviously fake?" I'm not trying to trap you here. I sincerely want to know which words of the "content" in the text that I posted was the "obviously fake" part in your opinion? We both agree that a "Pope under the influence of Satan" is not "obviously fake." Was it just the "cathedral of Rome must be destroyed" part that you believe to be the fake part?
     
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  13. Basto

    Basto Powers

    As I told you before, this false document that apparently deceived you seems to have a few true elements, in fact like several other false third secrets that circulate on the Internet. Anyone minimally informed on the subject can imagine, with a certain degree of accuracy, much of the content of the unknown part of the Secret of Fátima.

    I appreciate your effort on this matter, brother PNF, but I really gave up on this discussion with you. And thank you for making me laugh with this strategy designed to get me back to the discussion... :ROFLMAO: You use wrong premises to convince me of a meaningless conclusion. It's like you coming up with the argument that aliens wear glasses to see if I'm interested in the discussion about their eye color.
     
  14. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Honestly, I really admire your persistence, brother.

     
  15. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Aliens? Eye color? I'm sorry that you have interpreted by "persistence" as some kind of attempt at useless babbling.

    I wanted to understand what part of the "content" of the text you thought was "obviously fake." The reason? Maybe I had missed something myself. See, I only care about getting at the Truth. I don't care about winning some game or argument. The stakes are too high. Souls are being lost everyday. To me this is not fun or funny at all. It is deadly serious. Have a nice evening.
     
  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Our Lady said to pray the rosary daily, offer up the sacrifice of our daily duties, and do the Five First Saturday devotions. Souls will be saved when we do that.
     
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  17. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Russian priest “consecrates” new T-90 tanks to kill Ukrainians – video

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    Priests with the Russian Orthodox Church “consecrated” new tanks that the invaders will be using in the war against Ukraine.

    The corresponding video was distributed by the Uralvagonzavod Corporation, which develops and produces weapons for the Russian army.



    In the footage, tanks are being transported by rail cars as three clerics with the Russian Orthodox Church sprinkle “holy water” on the military hardware.

    The T-90 “Vladimir” is the main battle tank employed by the Russian armed forces. Since 2020, the Russians began to adopt the T-90M Proryv (Breakthrough) modification.

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    Source:
    https://df.news/en/2023/07/20/russian-priest-consecrates-new-t-90-tanks-to-kill-ukrainians-video/
     
  18. Marygar

    Marygar Byron

    Just listen please.
     
  19. Marygar

    Marygar Byron

    And another one.
     
  20. Basto

    Basto Powers

    As far as I know, Tucker Carlson and Bob Amsterdam are not Catholics nor do they live in Ukraine or Russia, they are fulfilling the Putinist agenda. I would say that they are false prophets who are promoting the "errors of Russia" prophesied in Fatima, including the persecution of the Eastern Catholics. Why don't you listen to Bishop Sviatoslav Shevchuck, leader of Ukrainian Catholics, or any other Catholic bishop in the region instead?

    I leave you with a challenge, sister in Christ, name me a single one of the dozens of Catholic bishops in Ukraine or a single one of the hundreds of Catholic priests in that country who thinks that the Putinist regime is a good thing for their faith. A single one, can be of the Latin rite or Greek Catholic. A single one! It shouldn't be difficult considering that in Ukraine, unlike in Russia where Catholicism is repressed, there are several million Catholics, including the majority of the second largest of the 24 Churches that make up the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

    With all due respect, sister in Christ, I will have the greatest consideration for your opinion about life in the Church in your country, but when it comes to Ukraine, the opinion of my suffering Catholic brothers has much more value than yours.

    Just a single one, please!
     
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