What happens if the pope is a heretic?

It's hard to remember them all.

 

Apparently, our Putative Pope has started a trend with Pachamama and the native American feathering. I suppose it was to be expected but to see a priest in India, with the enthusiastic approval of his Archbishop venerating an image of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant demon, is getting a bit too much.

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False gods in Goa — Dr. Jules Gomes Interview - YouTube

 

I suspect such paganism didn't just arise after Pachamama, but the Pope's actions have led to its exponents being more confident about going public. This transparency might be another example of the 'permissive will of God', that we have heard about in the broader context of this issue, and it might be as well to know that these things are going on.

 

I have such a very dark,sad feeling about this.

I was praying for Pope Francis the other night when I heard the Lord speaking to my heart,

'I hear you, but the person you are praying for is not Pope'.

Such sad times. I hope against hope this is not so, but in my heart I wonder.

I watched Patrick Coffin talking the other night and looking into his eyes I could feel he felt the same dark sadness. What terrible, terrible, terrible times for Our Poor Holy Mother the Church when we have to open our little hearts to such terrible, terrible possibilities.

Mary Help of Christians, pray for us.

 

Which is why, on the Forum, I no longer forbid people from mentioning such things.

 

It would totally break your heart, it really, really would.

But I always promised myself to follow the Truth wherever it may take me, to matter what dark places and so to shine a light.

But it is truly terrible.

But we are not being charitable by hiding the truth , quite the contrary. We have to be open to the dreadful possibility that the person sitting on the Throne of Peter, is not in fact the Pope.

There are no two ways about it.

I don't like it either, but there you go.

What is, is.

 

Indeed, we can't hide our thoughts. But at the same time we just don't know the truth of the situation we find ourselves in. It's sad beyond belief, but all this didn't happen overnight with one person. imho, we can only support each other & try our best not to let "anger linger past the sunset". There's this verse from Isaias that seems to describe the Church now in her struggles:

54:6 For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and mourning in spirit, and as a wife cast off from her youth, said thy God.

54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee, but with great mercies will I gather thee.

54:8 In a moment of indignation have I hid my face a little while from thee, but with everlasting kindness have I had mercy on thee, said the Lord thy Redeemer.

54:9 This thing is to me as in the days of Noe, to whom I swore, that I would no more bring in the waters of Noe upon the earth: so have I sworn not to be angry with thee, and not to rebuke thee.

54:10 For the mountains shall be moved, and the hills shall tremble; but my mercy shall not depart from thee, and the covenant of my peace shall not be moved: said the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

God's will be done, and may each of us carry out His plans as He wishes, so that all may be well again.

 

Really, they could have saved a fortune in time & money if instead of the crazy synod blah blah blah, they just read the threads on this forum. There are no interest groups here, no political partisan hacks; just regular people trying their best to live the Faith. People from all over the world, with their hurts, hopes, anger and joy. No trad vs NO, no Vatican II vs pre VatII. Just everyday sheep. But that wouldn't fit with the agenda. And that's what saddens me most....

 

I saw that interview. He made a strong case. And yes great sadness I his eyes. I pray for PF but my heart is not in it. That makes me sad. This is a very harsh chastisement.

 

Yes Lois. So true. So very true.

 

This whole discussion has been a real blessing, and an eye opener, at least for me. And your absolutely right, people really need to be able to talk about it without getting a punch in the face. God bless you for allowing it, and everyone who has contributed.

 

Yes it is like a knife going through the heart.
A hammer to the head.

 

I pray for Francis feeling a great reluctance and I also pray for Pope Benedict. I am a simple black and white kind of person. I just can't get my head around that Francis is Pope considering all his contradictions. I feel that we are getting into the final straight with him and people are waking up to some sad facts. The church is splitting before our eyes. We will soon see clearly where our bishops stand. Sadly most are on the Francis train. We had the spectacle here this week of a priest in Kerry preaching that same sex relationships. promiscuity, and transgenderism are mortal sins and his Bishop came out this morning apologising and saying this is not Catholic teaching. Well we now know what train he is on.
God help us all

 

It is a Dark Gate I hoped to never see opened. It reminds me of the , 'Lord of the Rings', when folks began to realise that Lord Sauron was back on stage and that they had to get their sleeves up to Fight him.

Of the 1930's when Hitler came to be.

Or the 1940's when folks woke up about Communism.

But, really, this is a thousand times worse.

 

Yes maryrose. May God help us all.

 

It reminds me of walking down a forest road at twilight, trying to walk homewards. Then suddenly a fork in the road appears before you. . You can only chose one path; not two.

I so hoped it would not come to this.

But it has.

It has.

Heart breaking.

 

Yes the Third Secret of Fatima come to pass.

How truly, truly terrible...and in our own times too.

Right before our very eyes. How glad I am that my mother and father are not alive to see it. The Church was their very lives; their hope, their Rock.

 

What a blessing it is to have Pope Benedict at this time. Lord protect him.