Wars and rumors of wars on the TLM and Summorum Pontificum”?

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2024/06/urgent-urgent-growing-rumors-of-final.html?m=1

URGENT -- Growing Rumors of a “Final Solution” for the Traditional Latin Mass -- TLM

Dear readers,

Once again, as at least twice in the past (before the crackdown on the Franciscans of the Immaculate, and in the twelve months leading up to Traditionis Custodes), Rorate Caeli is sad to be the first bearer of grave, heavy, and persistent rumors coming from the circles close to Cardinal [Arthur] Roche and to the liturgical warriors close to Casa Santa Marta in Rome.

An attempt is being made to implement, as soon as possible, a Vatican document with a stringent, radical, and final solution banning the Traditional Latin Mass. The same ideologues who imposed Traditionis Custodes and its implementation, and who are still frustrated with its apparently slow results, especially in the United States and France, want to ban it and shut it down everywhere and immediately. They want to do it while Francis is still in power. They want to make it as wide, final, and irreversible as possible.

These rumors come from the most credible sources,* in different continents, and we urge you to take them as seriously as possible, and do what you can in your station, as laity, priests, bishops, cardinals, religious men and women, to prevent the ban from becoming a concrete measure.

Can we stop it from happening? Yes, we can: by prayer, sacrifice, penance -- and influence and pressure, of whatever sort we can manage to put forward. The enemy is strong, but Our Lord and Our Lady are mightier.

When we have further information that can be made public, we will let you know.

—Rorate Caeli

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*Note: What we can say is that these rumors come from the very same sources that revealed to Rorate that the Vatican had sent out a survey to bishops on Summorum Pontificum (in preparation for what would become Traditionis Custodes), and Rorate was the first source to post this; and the very same sources who first revealed that a document like Traditionis Custodes would come (and Rorate was also the first to reveal it at the time). With the addition of other credible sources who have now mentioned the same present rumors and whom Rorate was not acquainted with at the time of Traditionis custodes, and who now corroborate the persistent rumors

 

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2024/06/archbishop-viola-violator-of-tradition.html?m=1

Archbishop Viola, the violator of Tradition -- the dangerous secretary of Divine Worship and the man behind the attempts to ban the Traditional Mass. His letter to the Melbourne Archbishop


Who is Archbishop Vittorio Francesco Viola, OFM? The Secretary of the Dicastery for Divine Worship is said to be proud to wear the episcopal ring of none other than the devious creator of the Novus Ordo, Archbishop Annibale Bugnini (cf. here, in Italian).



(Archbishop Viola, celebrating something - image: Silere non possum)




We can affirm today that he is the main dangerous ideologically motivated cleric whose final intent is to completely ban the Traditional Latin Mass. We could add much more, in much more detail, but instead will present the translation of the post just published by the Italian religious blog Silere non possum (a centrist, non-traditionalist blog) on the appalling ban Viola imposed on the continuation of the celebration of the Traditional Mass in the Cathedral of Melbourne, Australia -- as if the Metropolitan Archbishop of Melbourne were some kind of naughty altar boy who is not in charge even of the liturgy in his OWN cathedral! The absolute opposite of the deceitful allegations contained in Traditionis custodes.




In the letter, he orders the bishop to celebrate only the reformed liturgy in his own cathedral, but allows the use of a church (not the cathedral) if the faithful want to remain with the Traditional rite (there is already an existing traditional parish in the diocese, that is only unaffected by Traditionis custodes because it had been instituted before it). So much for the bishop as the overseer of the liturgy in his diocese...


Since Silere non possum has posted the letter, we can now present it below, along with their post.


The Dicastery for Divine Worship says no to the Vetus Ordo in the cathedral

Silere non possum, June 18, 2024


In recent months, the Archbishop of Melbourne, H.E. Archbishop Peter Andrew Comensoli sent to the Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments a request for a decree, as provided for in the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes, authorizing the celebration of the Eucharist with the 1962 Missale Romanum in several places in the Archdiocese.


The response of the Secretary of the Dicastery, Archbishop Vittorio Francesco Viola, is emblematic and clearly explains what is the purpose of Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes, a document that has created much division within the Catholic Church. Rather than uniting, in fact, it has chosen to proceed by exacerbating the positions of those who misinterpret the Second Vatican Council and those who even disavow it. It is surprising how Viola, trained in the Aventine school [Rorate note: the Pontifical Institute Anselmianum], cites the Ceremonial of Bishops to reiterate how, "the preeminent manifestation of the local Church (...) when the Bishop, as high priest of his flock, celebrates the Eucharist and in particular when he celebrates in the Cathedral, surrounded by his college of presbyters and his ministers, and with the full and active participation of all God's holy people." Fortunately, once in a while, someone remembers this.


The problem is that this is used to say that the ancient Mass cannot be celebrated in the cathedral precisely because the bishop's celebration must be exemplary. One has to wonder: so when bishops celebrate according to an unspecified rite that would like to ape that of St. Paul VI, does no one get outraged? When there are bishops who commit liturgical abuses and promote sloppiness, no one dares to write two lines?


While Benedict XVI tried to make it clear that these two rites could peacefully coexist in the Church - not forgetting that the German pontiff had in his heart the hope of seeing a new rite that would enhance all the positive things of both the old missal and the new one - today, on the contrary, people are working to curb those who are linked to this rite and are talking about it in terms of "forced re-education."


It is true that there are some groups attached to the old rite who are attached only to the form, often criticizing the Pope and disavowing the Second Vatican Council, but it is equally true that there are groups, certainly attached to the new rite, who are talking about theordination of women (which is a canonical crime), the elimination of priestly celibacy, communion to the divorced and remarried, and other various follies. The problem, then, is not the rite itself but what people profess, but if we get down to the theological-moral convictions of individuals, there would be countless rites to be abolished.


Contrary to what Viola states, therefore, it would be desirable that at the very altar where the bishop ordinarily celebrates, both rites could be celebrated. All an expression of the Lex Orandi of the Roman Rite, all celebrated with dignity and devotion. In this way unity could be fostered. Also, should we not work on the application of Sacrosantum Concilium and make sure that everyone celebrates following what the Roman Missal provides, so that people understand, precisely, all its positive aspects? As Benedict XVI mentioned several times, the big problem today is that few people have studied and understood the Second Vatican Council. Many talk about this event but refer to a bad interpretation that has been made of it. This is precisely where the pathology of this event arises: there are those who use the Council to affirm ideas that are their own and there are those who attack the Council by looking at those who misapply it. A real drama.




Viola is a liturgical bandit, a fox put in charge of the liturgical treasury of the Latin Church. If he gets his way, all will be destroyed.

 

Anthony Stine (Return to Tradition YouTube channel) on this rumor:
https://www.youtube.com/live/lBWocNoNz_o?si=Fa4CwNGg4beqyy0W

 

Actually no, no you don’t.

No pope has the authority to abrogate the traditional Mass.

From the LifeSiteNews article linked above:

‘The traditional Mass belongs to the most intimate part of the common good in the Church. Restricting it, pushing it into ghettos, and ultimately planning its demise can have no legitimacy. This law is not a law of the Church because, as St. Thomas [Aquinas] says, a law against the common good is no valid law,’” he said in a speech during the 2021 Catholic Identity Conference.

True obedience “is always obedience to GOD, whether immediately or mediately,” explained Dr. Kwasniewski. Therefore, if any authority commands something contrary to God’s divine or natural law, “We must obey God rather than men,” as is declared in the Acts of the Apostles and affirmed by Pope Leo XIII.

Dr. Kwasniewski made the point that “the traditional liturgical worship of the Church, her lex orandi (law of prayer),” is a “fundamental” “expression of her lex credendi, (law of belief), one that cannot be contradicted or abolished or heavily rewritten without rejecting the Spirit-led continuity of the Catholic Church as a whole.”​

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Yes, which form of the Mass we attend IS important. Begin watching at 23:00 into the video to see Fr. Ripperger’s explanation why.

 

Fr. Ripperger openly states that Christ told us directly to “ask and we will receive.”

The obvious corollary is that if we don’t ask we’re not going to receive to the same level.

He states the Novus Ordo simply fails to ask, so the individual graces are not as available to us due to the deficient nature of the language used in the Novus Ordo.

The Traditional Mass is a much much better formulation of what we should - what we must - be asking for.

So in that respect the old Mass is far superior to the NO.

Watch the video. He thoroughly explains the difference between Christ’s Real Presence at both Masses vs the actual graces available in each Rite as a result of the language used, what exactly we’re asking for.

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Fortunately I have access to both diocesan and SSPX TLMs here locally.

If this document eliminates the rest of our diocesan TLMs then I have no problem whatsoever attending the SSPX and receiving the Sacraments there.

Nor should anyone else.

Nor should anyone repeat the lie that the SSPX is schismatic.