Wars and rumors of wars on the TLM and Summorum Pontificum”?

Right On HH !! "if He brings you to it, He will bring you through it"!!!

It is absolute truth that waiting on the Lord is the simple answer to it all!
However.... waiting can be difficult sometimes!

Often our Lord waits until we are actually 'falling off the cliff' before he steps in and catches us.
He is surely testing our faith at times like that.

So far I haven't had to make that call... to go to a NO "hootananny" mass or seek out an alternative in order to satisfy not only my Sunday obligation... but my need to receive the Eucharist.

It really all revolves around the priest of the parish...IMHO
Our parish priest is... not only a convert to Catholicism...but he is a holy priest who is on fire with zeal for his Faith.
His request to Pope Benedict to have the Latin mass in his parish was honored and it is one of just a few in this dioceses.
He also has the NO masses...BUT...they are conducted in a most reverent manner.
There is no "hand shaking"... Latin is liberally sprinkled through out the mass and no reception of communion in the hand. Communion is received on the tongue...kneeling at the rail...in both the TLM and NO masses.

I attend the TLM mass offered on Sunday and have often gone to the NO mass and felt the same "touch of heaven" in both.

I thank God everyday that he has plunked me right here...into the middle of this parish.

So far ... I don't need to make the heart wrenching decision of whether I should go from one bad choice or to another choice of questionable standing!

If someday I DO need to make that decision ...I sure hope Heaven doesn't wait too long to "catch me" before I hit bottom!!

 

I believe the center of gravity in all things is the state of the soul.

Or in other words as Pope St John Paul said , what the Church needs more than anything else is saints.

The reason of the great failing of our times (that we communicate, speak and write too much) is that we believe too little.

Our confusion arises from lack of belief.

Our Lady relies by simply holding out a pair of rosary beads and inviting us to pray.

 

Thank you for confirming my post. I also think you are as close to Heaven as is possible right now on this earth. Thank God.

 

It really just boggles the mind...



Father Z brought this to light. Video at the link of priest speaking to his congregation.

https://wdtprs.com/2021/08/video-pr...y-st-michael-prayer-and-hail-mary-after-mass/

 

I notice too that many of us here....on MoG... are even now experiencing the difficulty of "waiting on the lord"

Some posters express this situation as being "between a rock and a hard place. They are faced with with choices that need immediate attention and none of those choices are acceptable!!
I surely sympathize with them because I can vividly remember at least one circumstance in my life that I categorized then as a "no win situation".

I eventually opted for the "right" thing to do...which of course was the most difficult choice... and I paid a price for that choice. BUT ..as I look back ..lo these many years... it really was a "blessing disguised as a hardship"!

Sooo..Ill do for my fellow MoG members what I always do to help them out the best that I can...Ill say the rosary for them to make the right/best choices....difficult or not!

 

Clare said, Only God can fix this now.
You are right.

 

Amen. You are right, Ellen. I will do the same, rosaries and prayers.

 

'The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres'

There is no clearer example than this dictat presented here. All doubt removed... we are living this prophecy. Lord have mercy

 

I don’t think sedvacantism is the answer. It’s tempting, but the problem is, if you assume it is true, I don’t see how the Church did not defect. You’re left in a church of pure private judgement. No one has authority anymore. You have to shop for a bishop who agrees. If he tries to correct you, call him a “modernist” and find some other bishop who agrees with you.

I happen to think Freemasons have control of most of the church, According to the documents of Alta Vendita they’re trying to destroy it from within. Many popes were constrained in what they said and did. For example, JPI was assassinated for trying to clean Vatican finances. One day God will clean house.

 

There are certain clerics at the moment who when I look at their faces feel a huge , huge feeling of unease and a certain sense that I am looking at pure evil.

Does anyone else sense this?

I am always reminded of the story of Abraham Lincoln. One time a Senator came asking for a favour a government post for a friend. Lincoln said he would look into it but the post never came.

The Senator returned and asked why his friend had not gotten the job.

To which the President replied,

'I did not like the look of his face'.

The shocked politician asked it this was not too harsh, to judge someone by their face.

To which Abe replied,

'The soul of every man over the age of thirty is written on their face'.

Cardinal Cupich's face fills me with utter horror.

 

Thomas21 I in no way suggested sedevacantism and don’t see how you could read that in my post. I accept the validity of all Popes up to and including the present one. I have observed that Catholicism isn’t believed in the way it once was. Sincere practising Catholics known to me think women should be priests and that James Martin is wonderful. I don’t understand how disagreeing with that makes me a sede. As I said I have been to very few TLMs. I hardly fit the sede mould.

 

I didn’t accuse you of it. Just noting it might seem tempting, since you suspect there has been a new religion since VII. Apologies if it seemed like it.

An ecumenical council can’t err unless the authority is missing. I didn’t imply you did, just sharing my reasons for rejecting sedevacantism even if it seems like the hierarchy are pushing something non-Catholic.

 

'An ecumenical council can’t err unless the authority is missing'

Mmm . I am not quite sure about this. As far as I know all previous Councils were Doctrinal but this one was Pastoral. In other words it was in its very nature different to all that went before.

I accept a Doctrinal Council cannot err. But can a Pastoral Council, the first one ever err? I am not sure that Christ's promise on Infallibility extends from the Theological to the Pastoral and this specific Council did describe itself as Pastoral.

But I am perfectly open to Contradiction in this matter.

I don't know. I am open to contradiction but I suspect it could. But maybe I am wrong.

I do wonder if this Council put too much emphasis on Man , rather than God as a reference point for understanding. That it was too much influenced by Modern thinking subsequent to the French Revolution.

Jesus did say, 'By their fruits you shall know them' and I don't think anyone who reads Church history would disagree that the Church pretty well took a nose dive after the Council; at least in the West.

A lot of very bad things happened as Pope Paul himself said.

 

Wouldn’t it be part of the ordinary, universal magisterium since both the pope and the body of bishops teach it?

 

I saw that video. I think it possible that someone complained to the Cardinal. I often see complaints online from people saying that they have no peace to say private prayers after Mass due to distractions from groups praying the Rosary out loud. It takes about twenty minutes to pray the Rosary, so the complainant might have a valid complaint there if the Rosary starts immediately Mass ends. The St. Michael prayer takes maybe one minute, so it's more likely that the complainant, if the complaint came from a parishioner, had some dislike of the people praying, the priest or the prayer itself.

The priest praying the Hail Mary after Communion is not part of the rubrics. Sometimes the celebrant at the Mass I attend prays the Hail Mary and/or the St. Michael prayer as he wipes the chalice after Communion. I love when he does that and everyone joins in. That may be what the priest in the video had been doing. I suppose it would take an expert on the liturgy to know whether that amounts to liturgical abuse but I suppose it could. It's a pity that so much is let slide while intercessory prayers to the Mother of God and the Archangel Michael are treated as abuse.

Taylor Marshall could have made his point without making remarks about the furniture. We'll never see reverence at the NO being standardised if people don't cut out the nit picking.

 

Well it was a Pastoral Council in other words about how as Pastors to run the day running of the Church....therefore.. 'Pastoral'...for Pastors...for Pastoring.

Now a good example of a Pastoral Practice might be on how the Swiss Guard were armed. Say the Council advised that they should be armed with the American AR-16 Armalite Rifle rather than a , say a much superior German Koch Assault rifle.

Would they be infallible in this?

It reminds me of the English Catholic historian and convert . Gibbons who went to visit Pope Pius ix (the Pope who proclaimed Papal Infallibility).

After his talk with Pius someone asked him if he found the Pope to be unerring in all he said to which Gibbons responded.

'I don't know about that but he called me Mr Kibbons instead of Mr Gibbons.'

 

As far the Doctrine of Papal Infallibilty goes I have found the writings of St Cardianl John Henry Newman to be very illuminating on the subject. He objected to the Doctrine beofre it was proclaimed. He humbly accepted it afterwards of course.

But as an Anglican convert he was very alerts to its limitations, the limitations too of the Magisterium. You should find some good reflections on this on utube.

St John Henry will be proclaimed as a Doctor of the Church in due season I am sure.

 

I am not the font of all Wisdom of course and may be very,very wrong.

But sometimes the thought comes to me that Pope Francis may in fact be a fruit of Vatican 2?

Please don't be annoyed with me for suggesting such a thing. But the thought does occur. I won't get annoyed with anyone who disagrees, I may be very,very wrong.

But this stray thought does keep coming back to me...

If you believe such a stray thought may be wrong as an act of charity point my mistake out to me..as to how and where.. and I would be very happy to discuss it...

 

Never! But I never will believe that God will leave us without providing for us .

 

Head Cases.