The church is both human and divine. This is the human part whoring itself off to the highest bidder.
I dredge this quote out of my memory which I think is from St Anthony of the Desert, “When the world and the Church are one, then shall come the end.” Thank you, Padraig. Good video.
I hope all this is not true, I really, really do. I hope, hope , hope this is all just a bad dream. I hear Joe Biden plans to make Hunter Secretary of Defense. This leaves me reeling. Dismissed from the USN for drug abuse. Still out of head with heavy dope. Hunter is destined to have his finger on the Nuke Button. Why do I think this is a bad idea? Why do I hope this all just a bad dream? .
I predict the first thing Joe will do after hitting the Oval Office is within six months starting a war with someone somewhere. It's on the cards.
Whores. That's the key word. Whores. The Word; 'Babylon', comes to mind too. Place the two together and what have you got? I recommend Catholics, especially American Catholics to study Fr Hardon at this time. He is a very great antidote to all this poison. At least he might save you from throwing yourself under a bus. Love Fr Hardon; an American jewel. He had the answers to questions people did not even know yet to ask. An American Prophet for our times.
It doesn't matter. Every Catholic must acknowledge the Sovereign Pontiff as Father. As a Father, we must respect him, honor him, and obey him. It is clear as a day for me that any defamation, mockery, ignoble spurn, insults, and spurious accusation, is an offense to God. A terrible Sin. When you strongly disagree with your own father on a serious issue you pray for him; with greater reason should you humble yourself when you speak about the highest authority of the Church who is also Holy himself. The role of His Holiness in these times is that of a diplomat, not in a single sentence of that article it is said this coalition is being personally controlled by the Holy Pope himself. On the contrary he simply approached as an advisor. Doesn't he do the same with every country in the world? with every institution? with every problem in the modern world? To think that the Pope is the mastermind of his own persecution, is pure madness and idiocy. Don't you notice the pattern here? are you so blind that you don't see the increasing attacks in the media to the Church funded by Christ himself? Who do you think are the masters of propaganda? who do you think owns the media? who do you think is behind the creation of protestantism? why do you think that Protestants, liberals, conservatives, communists, capitalists, and multiple political and religious institutions are constantly defaming our Church and blaming it for all the problems in the world? Are you aware that the infiltration in the Church will never reach the highest seat in it? The plan is to unify all the churches into one, and seize the control of that single one. We as catholics know that this will never happen. Respect the Holy Pontiff, support him, God will never abandon him, why should we? he has to carry the cross of all our stupidity for falling in the defaming game. Our enemies want to destroy the reputation of our Church so that the transition to its own destruction seems more agreable for everybody. If Francis becomes that persecuted Pope of prophecy, it is going to be our fault for being so stupid. Lets follow the message of Mary in Garabandal let's pray, let's be good, let's be sacrificed, lets obey and respect our Church, and lets participate in the eucharist as we can, and I am sure that will help our beloved Church a lot more than all of these attacks and false conspiracy theories.
I'll get right on it. Can you recommend a good Catholic online shop where I can buy my pachamama statue? Maybe Visa will waive the interest on my credit card since I'm one of the Holy Father's poorer sheep.
It does matter. We can respect the Pope and disagree with him at the same time. We are not obligated to support his political pet projects.
As a father of 6, I have to earn my kids respect. If I am abusing them, the Chinese church, giving them terrible possibly sending them to hell advice, I pray they ignore me. They shouldn't respect me. I am not a member of opus dei where I have my head buried in the sand. PF utterly disgusts me and I owe him 0 allegience when he sleeps with the devil.
He never gave you such an order, but you indeed mock him as if he did. As I said before, disagreing with your father does not permit you to attack him. So it's true that it doesn't matter. Pray for him instead. Then become a revolting protestant, and keep rebelling agaisnt your holy leader. But don't expect me to do the same, I stay with the Church until the end.
Mocking? I didn't say he gave an order. Are we not to follow his example? Didn't he condemn the brave Catholic who threw the Pachamama idols in the Tiber. The Holy Father has praised and aligned Christ's Church with some of the most evil people on earth. He certainly deserves our pity and prayers. I have more respect for the office he holds than he displays. You make a big deal about the media attacking the Church. Has it escaped your notice that the same media make an exception for Pope Francis? It is not anyone here but he and his handpicked mouthpieces who have led the same media to believe that he is changing the Catholic faith. We know that he has no such authority. I hope and pray that he knows it too, but if he does, he has betrayed the sacred trust bestowed on him. Precisely which conspiracy theories do you want us to ignore? Is it the St. Gallen conspiracy? The Catholic Spring conspiracy? The announcement early in his papacy from Cardinal McCarrick and another of his friends that he will change the Catholic Church and ensure that his changes can never be undone? And when you're finished that, maybe you will tell me what made Emma Bonino "great". Was it the bicycle pump and jam jar she used when performing abortions on innocent babies - y'know the least of God's children? I have been trying not to make negative comments about Pope Francis. Sanctimonious comments suggesting that we ignore our lying eyes are too much to let pass without comment.
Sanctimonious comments for defending the Pope? you might be holier than me, I don't know about that, but you are not Holier than the Vicar of Christ on Earth. So humble yourself. And yes, don't believe those conspiracies that portray him as the mastermind behind the evils in the world. The rest is just his role as a diplomat. But mocking him is, as well as a Sin. For this I genuinely suggest you to confess every bad thing you have said about Pope Francis. Not only you, but anybody who speeds up the persecution of his seat by supporting every defamation campaigns he constantly receives.
I can’t tell if you genuinely believe what you are saying or if you’re just trolling. None of my comments on this thread were mocking.
I notice you didn't answer my questions. Rather, you chose to mock me by insinuating that I believe I am holier than you and the Vicar of Christ. I'm not the one calling others Protestant. You are, while you choose to ignore the fact that that the Vatican celebrated Luther's revolt by displaying his statue in the Vatican and issued a stamp depicting Luther and Melamchton replacing Our Lady and St. John at the the Crucifixion. In case you are unaware the stamp is a reproduction of the image installed over the door of the church where Luther nailed his theses. And you have the nerve to hurl a "revolting protestant" slur at piccadillo!!! Anyway, who are you to judge? For all you know, a successor of Pope Francis could erect a statue in honour of Piccadillo. Do you believe that the Vicar of Christ is impeccable? I was inclined to dismiss suggestions that Francis is not a valid Pope. Now, I'm less sure. Your borderline idol worship of him doesn't help assuage those doubts. Now, can you tell me what part of the St. Gallen conspiracy is untrue? Was the Catholic Spring a figment of our imagination? Nobody here accused Pope Francis of being the mastermind behind the evils of the world. They are your words. You should apply for a job with CNN. You'd fit right in. Failing that, the Vatican's Communications office, although you might have a problem there unless you doubt the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture on the grounds that the Apostles didn't have tape recorders. They do a good job of attacking Catholics who believe what the Church has always taught and dare to ask the Pope for some clarity.
I was talking in general. That can mean you or anybody who mocks him. Forgive me if it sounded like I was trolling, to me it is starting to sound like a discussion that can get pretty heated and intense because this is the first time I have expressed my opinion on the Pope in a forum that seems so easily carried by the anti-Catholic propaganda that it even dedicates its own subforum to talk about it, in reality I have no clue what you have said in the past up to this point in regards of the subject, but from the very beginning you and me were talking in general correct? that is why you have spoken using "we" on the first page of this thread. I even clarified it in the second paragraph of that same message you quote. Btw, it's not just mocking him, but also spreading false rumors, or acting scornfully towards his Holy figure. Then why did you call my message sanctimonious? I was not defending my own holiness but that of the Holy Pope. I called Picadillo protestant because he said the Holy Pontiff disgusts him and he owes him no allegiance, by also insinuating blasphemies at the end of his post. As I said before, what you complain so much about is simply the Pope serving his role as a diplomat and visible head of the Church for the world. He is an example of humility, and I am convinced he will lead us exactly where God wants his flock to be at this moment. If a successor of Pope Francis erects an statue in honor of Picadillo, I will respect and honor his decision as well as I respect and honor our current Holy Father. Impeccable means sinless in Latin, so what do you think I believe about someone who has the power to decide the destiny in afterlife of any person on earth? He can remit the punishment of any sin he wants, he can clean you whole and set you straight to Heaven, but excommunicate you and condemn you forever as well. Not recognizing the Holy Pontiff as your father and your Leader makes you a protestant. Automatically. If you don't think Francis is the Holy Pope, what else are you but a protestant? this is exactly why it's called protestantism in first place. You protests agaisnt his Holy Authority, you are a protestant. As I said before, there's no need to believe in false propaganda that defames our Sovereign Pontiff.
You still haven't answered my questions. I see no humility in Pope Francis. I see arrogance, vindictiveness, passive aggression and hypocrisy but I can't,say that those shortcomings make him a mortal sinner because only God knows his heart. That his own handpicked mouthpieces and their media allies call him humble doesn't make him so. We owe him obedience as long as he upholds and defends the Catholic faith. We owe no respect for the beliefs he shared with his atheist journalist friend. We owe no respect for his treatment of Cardinal Zen and the Dubia Cardinals. We owe no respect for his underhand attacks on Archbishop,Vigano. We owe no respect for his betrayal of Chinese Catholics. St Paul told us that even if an angel from Heaven were to preach a different Gospel we should reject him. He didn't make an exception for St. Peter. Saints have been excommunicated. Were they Protestant while they were excommunicated? Were the Popes who excommunicated them holy? Was the Pope who excommunicated Martin Luther less holy than the Pope who issued a postage stamp in his honour? Did the Pope who excommunicated Luther send him to Hell? Did the Pope,who honoured him redeem him from Hel the Pope who declared that nobody is condemned corever? No Pope is obliged to play the role of secular diplomat. Every Pope is obliged to defend the faith and to teach it clearly. Pope Francis may well be a good secular diplomat. He is an abysmal failure at defending and clearly teaching the Faith, and it is not sinful to say so. In my opinion, he is a poor excuse for a pope and the most despicable kind of politician. A previous Pope was anathematised for his failure to defend the Faith. If Pope Francis is anathematised some time in the future, who will be holy then? The condemned Pope or the Pope who approves the anathema? Were the St. Gallen and Catholic Spring conspiracies a figment of our imagination? What made Emma Bonino great? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit suspends the free will of the Cardinal electors at Papal Conclaves? A previous Pope certainly believed that it was possible for a usurper to worm his way into the papacy - he considered it a real possibility that a follower of Martin Luther could do so - maybe someone who would celebrate Luther's revolt and set about changing the Church to embrace Luther's heresies in pastoral practice. Do you believe that that Pope was wrong or less than holy? Do you believe that the Catholic Church was founded in 2013? Do you believe that you have no duty to defend the faith even against ambiguities spread by a Pope via his chosen mouthpieces?
