Steve, Tell me this. The church NO longer teaches the theory of substitution in regards to the church being the new Israel. How is this NOT a rupture in her perennial teaching in regards to the old covenant being still valid after 1900+ years of teaching it was no longer valid symbolized by rending in two of the temple veil aftter Christ's death.
SteveD or anyone else on this forum, for the sake of the truth on this issue, I challenge you to deny that there has been NO rupture on this issue.
The church I attend is very close to a synagogue. The door to the Lady Chapel is decorated with Stars of David (acknowledging, I suppose Mary's Jewishness). When I go to Saturday Mass, I see Jews walking on their way to synagogue and I have sometimes seen the surprise on their faces when they notice the Stars and also that people are going in to Mass on a Saturday. I always commend them to Our Lady and pray for their conversion. I am not at all sure that today's Church would approve and am somewhat confused about the Church's teaching with regard to the Jews. It all seems to hinge on whether the covenant relationship which is eternal was transferred to the Church when it was founded and my own attitude is that, of course, it was. Though I acknowledge that the Jews are a very special group and that their corporate conversion is a sign that we are to expect and that this will be of enormous significance. I don't believe that this should prevent anyone seeking individual conversion while we wait. If you consider the changes in, for instance, the Good Friday liturgy there have been definite changes in attitude to the Jews and their need for conversion. The great Jewish converts, the Ratisbonne brothers, founded a congregation in the 19th century to work for the conversion of the Jews but, since Vat II, they congregation no longer tries to fulfill its original role but merely to 'encourage dialogue' with Jews (and now Muslims). I beg leave to doubt that the Ratisbonne brothers would approve of this change. St. Paul's letters to the Hebrews don't seem to be a search for 'dialogue' but a plea to accept the truth or to suffer for it. I don't pretend to be any kind of an expert in the Catechism, the Good Friday liturgy or the Catholic theology relating to the Jews but offer these thoughts as personal opinions.
Thank you SteveD for your honest reply. All I can say is WOW! Anything Jewish and the church must be too hot to handle. For the record, of course there has been a rupture with the perennial teachings of the church on this issue, you can't have it both ways. What that means is, I don't know but I can't pretend that there hasn't been a rupture.
You can be a priest or bishop and deny Church teaching and nothing will happen to you but try to incline to tradition and the Latin Mass and you are in real trouble. View attachment 1581
