VACCINES

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Fede, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

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    Yes, they are moving forward in a celebratory frenzy!!

    My sister is scheduled to get the Moderna at work Tuesday (supervisor in a long term care kitchen thru our local massive hospital). She just wants to be with family without a mask, sharing a meal INDOORS. Our Dad's birthday is mid Jan.

    With her level of anxiety, panic & tendencies toward depression, she can't wait. I sure hope she's OK!!
     
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  2. Joan J

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    Wow, no new meds for you!, without an EpiPen.
     
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  3. Joan J

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    One big thing that gets me about getting any vaccine for this, everyone SHOULD be free to take that mask off once getting it or the standard 2 weeks later. We're told 2 weeks full protection after the flu.

    Should people be invited to wear a sticker like we get after voting or giving blood?

    Yet Fauci says no. Perhaps local numbers need to keep going down for everyone to be free to take. It.off! More craziness!!
     
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    I never realised it had such a high mortality rate, Don. The good God must have wanted you still down here for a reason. :):)

    You can see why it is a cause for considerable concern that they are blasting away , without even a pause when these events are occurring.

    There is another thing of some interest here. Anti vacers have been postulating for years a relationship between traditional vaccinations and the emergence of a wide range of allergies that leaves people prone to such shock. The medical establishment have rejected such a correlation. But this huge rise of allergies has to be coming from somewhere...so...

    The thing is if people getting the covid jab are going into the shock so quickly I wonder what other long term harms this might be doing.

    Anyway I won't be taking it, it is far, far, far too risky. I'd rather be hit by a truck (if it wasn't going too fast);)

    These really are honest concerns, not a conspiracy theory.

    I would especially not like to see them giving these jabs to children. Or pregnant mothers.

    But apart from that there are concerns centering on Catholic Prophecy, Biblical Prophecy , Reading the Signs of the times and so on...

    A Perfect Storm.

    These things make me and many others deeply, deeply uneasy.
     
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    By the way I've never really been an anti vaxer myself...up to now. In this case I most certainly am. I don't mind if people place me in the Looney Bin bracket for this.

    Let them. I am too old to care. One advantage if getting closer to the grave I suppose.
     
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  6. Joan J

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    I've been looking on USAFACTS & Worldometer for more reliable data showing the full span of numbers from beginning to now.

    Very low % of death rates. Per worldometers.info/coronavirus
    Globally:
    Active: 99.5% mild cases, .5% critical rate
    Closed: 97% recovered, 3% deaths

    That tells me, potentially nasty very wide spread pneumonia, not at all the guaranteed killer of other long standing diseases.
    &$%; networks only showing people on ventilators.

    How DARE our Governors and local health agencies instill fear of "killing" our families & friends if we spend time & spread love by hugging each other!!

    Wow, China has tested a total of roughly 160,000,000. They show 86,976 total cases with 82,003 recovered. Granted we can't trust their numbers.

    For giggles, South Korea:
    4,038,307 total tests
    57,680 total cases
    39,268 total recovered
    17,593 active cases
    819 deaths

    When a vaccine for Dementia is created, I'm in line for that.
     
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  7. Dolours

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    Some of what I have read about Klaus Schwab and his agenda make him appear like the villain in a superman movie. The frightening part is that most if not all of it is true. If this man gets his way, the covid vaccine is only the tip of the iceberg. Have a look on youtube for two videos:

    On Padre Peregrino's channel: "The Errors of Russia Within Health Theatre"
    On the US Grace Force channel: "Covid-19 and the Great Reset".
     
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    This is so scary Don. Thank God you are coming out of it.
     
  9. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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    And for what it is worth, my oldest brother who is 83 having ongoing treatment for cancer which has spread in his body; is looking forward to getting the vaccine later this week. He hopes it will give him peace of mind so he can leave the house again. God love him.

    I did not in any way make any comment to question his situation, he has enough on his plate already. And my eldest daughter has told me she has read there are people who will happily take the vaccine because they would rather risk dying from the vaccine than live in the perpetual fear that has become their new normal.

    The moral question is a whole new problem, since aborted baby cells have been in use in food manufacture, medicines, vaccines and cosmetics for a number of years. We are all undoubtedly contaminated without a shadow of a doubt.

    On the other hand as Bishop Schneider pointed out in his interview on Life Site News, taking products contaminated with cells from aborted babies, or having our taxes used by our governments without our knowledge or consent for abortion, is a different thing than taking a vaccine directly, knowing the means used in it's production.

    I really do not want to be vaccinated with products which have been produced from the murder of innocents. And don't know what will happen if I am told by my consultant I must have the vaccine or they will no longer treat my vasculitis. Treatment is already on hold while they see how the virus pans out. The consultant told me at the last meeting, he is waiting to see if the pandemic has eased in the spring of 2021. All in Gods hands, and I do not feel any sense of panic or fear. If my God wants me to die, so be it. If my God wants me to live, so be it. Praised be Jesus and Mary and Saint Joseph.
     
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    Sanctus posted this in case people missed it. I thought it was very good.

    Strange how the Orthodox seem to be anti Semitic , but I notice often French Trads tend to be the same way.

    But leaving that aside, fine video:

     
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    I think Bishop Schneider was referring here to something in Moral Theology called, 'Invincible Ignorance'. So if I got a vaccine contaminated by murdered babies but was not the least aware of it I would not be guilty of any sin. This is, 'Invincible Ignorance'. I simply did not know.

    But at the same time I think actions have consequences. Say I went into a shop and bought a magic object, say a charm and just bought it because it was beautiful not because it would be magic I would be guilty of no sin true. But that does not mean the object could not do immense harm in my home. The evil is attached to the object.

    The same I think with evil vaccines. It may not be a sin if I take it, being only innocent and guiltless. But that does not mean the evil attached to the evil vaccine could not work against me.

    Actions having consequences.
     
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  12. AED

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    Well said Julia. You are so correct about your brother. And everyone else living in that kind of fear. I have allergies and I am hoping it gives me an out with my doctor. I see more and more articles on the lethal side effects of this vaccine. People are starting to notice. That may cause a reevaluation. Who knows? But as you say it is all in God's Hands.
     
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  13. Julia

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    Of course I understand where Bishop Schneider is coming from. The point I was trying to make is, we are all more likely than not already contaminated with cells from aborted babies in a lot of ways in the food chain as well as the cosmetic industry and other medical treatments.

    Another major problem with using cells from aborted babies is, we would all be contaminated with any hereditary diseases that aborted baby inherited from it's natural parents. No one seems to be taking this on board which I find astounding.

    I have to wonder if the Vatican and the body of Bishops have taken leave of their senses when they give the thumbs up to us all being vaccinated.

    God knows we all need a warning to wake up the rational thinking process that used to keep society from going to hell in a hand basket. IMHO
     
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    That's very well worth watching thanks for re-posting. I feel it is 100% true, though he does not realise public Mass has been banned in Ireland as well. Being Greek Orthodox he may not realise we are also true believers.
     
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    Thank you..I will definitely listen to these.
     
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    This is hopeful:

    CNSNews.com) - Ivermectin is proving to be a "wonder drug" that is not approved for the treatment of COVID but should be, a pulmonologist told a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee on Tuesday.

    In an impassioned presentation, Dr. Pierre Kory, a physician at Aurora St. Luke's Medical Center in Milwaukee, begged the National Institutes of Health to review his study of Ivermectin, a drug that's been around for decades and is used to treat parasites.


    "All I ask is for the NIH to review our data that we've compiled of all of the emerging data -- we have almost 30 studies. Every one is reliably and reproducibly positive showing the dramatic impacts of Ivermectin. Please, I'm just asking that they review our manuscript.”


    Dr. Kory said he's "not just a random doctor" who claims to have a COVID cure: "I'm just asking, review our data."

    Dr. Kory said instead of trying to develop expensive new drugs, he and his colleagues have spent months focusing on existing, "repurposed" drugs.


    He said Ivermectin is proving to have a "miraculous impact.”

    And when I say miracle, I do not use that term lightly, and I don't want to be sensationalized when I say that. That is a scientific recommendation based on mountains of data that has emerged in the last three months.

    When I am told...that we are touting things that are not FDA- or NIH-recommended, let me be clear. The NIH, their recommendation on Ivermectin, which is to not use it outside of controlled trials, is from August 27th -- we are now in December. This is three to four months later.

    Mountains of data have emerged from many centers and countries around the world, showing the miraculous effectiveness of Ivermection. It basically obliterates transmission of this virus. If you take it, you will not get sick.

    Dr. Kory said studies show Ivermection also has anti-viral properties.


    β€œIn early outpatient treatment, we have three randomized control trials and multiple observation as well as case series showing if you take Ivermectin, the need for hospitalization and death will decrease.

    "The most profound evidence we have is in the hospitalized patients. We have four randomized control trials there, multiple observation trials, all showing the same thing, you will not die, or you will die at much, much, much lower rates...It is proving to be a wonder drug.”

    Dr. Kory noted that two researchers won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2015 for their studies on Ivermectin's efficacy in eradicating parasitic diseases, and now "it is proving to be an immensely powerful anti-viral and anti-inflammatory agent."


    Kory said peer review of the new Ivermectin studies will take months that we don't have:

    We have 100,000 patients in the hospital right now, dying. I'm a lung specialist. I'm an ICU specialist. I've cared for more dying COVID patients than anyone can imagine. They're dying because they can't breathe. They can't breathe...And I watch them every day. They die.

    By the time they get to me in ICU, they're already dying, they're almost impossible to recover. Early treatment is key. We need to offload the hospitals. We are tired. I can't keep doing this. If you look at my manuscript, and if I have to go back to work next week, any further deaths are going to be needless deaths, and I cannot be traumatized by that.

    I cannot keep caring for patients when I know that they could have been saved with eearlier treatment and that drug that will treat them and prevent the hospitalization is Ivermectin.

    Dr. Kory reminded the committee that the elderly and minorities are dying at higher rates than anyone else:

    "It's the most -- the most severe discrepancy I have seen in my medical career, and we are responsible to protect those disadvantaged members. We have a special duty to provide counter-measures. The amount of evidence to show that Ivermectin is life-saving and protective is so immense and the drug is so safe...it must be instituted and implemented."

    Committee Chair Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) promised Dr. Kory that "before the day is out, we'll have a letter...to the NIH asking them to review" his findings.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/article/nat...ermectin-covid-wonder-drug-if-you-take-it-you
     
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    They will not force it at first, but I believe that that course of action will be taken eventually.:( Already in the hospital were I serve as chaplain, there is propaganda, showing smiling staff who have taken the vaccine.:barefoot::rolleyes:. I believe by the end of January it will become mandatory, at least in public and medical facilities. At the nursing home where my brother is, they said that the vaccine was on the way and this morning (2 days later) they stated 88% of residents had been inoculated!

    Lord have mercy!
     
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    My sister will be getting her 1st Moderna shot tomorrow. Please pray all goes well with no side effects from either shot.

    I also pray if it does go well, she doesn't harp on us all to get THAT one.

    I have given my Dad comprehensive info on all currently in trials around the world in table form for his review.
     
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    Prayers, Joan
    Thank you
     
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    Our local hospital is running a repetitive commercial pushing the vaccine, it is sickening to watch. I wonder how many nursing home patients will suffer serious side effects. :(
     

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