US Presidential election 2016

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  1. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Eminent domain is a fact of life in the United States of America. Get over it already. That line of attack failed already on Trump. Jeb tried it and it backfired miserably.
     
  2. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    This didn't get much media attention, but here is the truth about what Trump tried to do to Cruz: alleged affair....total lie...


    Cruz totally denies the lies that lying, sleazy Trump's buddy, owner of the the rag, Inquirer tried to smear him with:

    Watch the video!

    Affair Allegations: "Sleazy Donald" Trump Is "Inventing A Tabloid Smear"

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...y_donald_trump_inventing_a_tabloid_smear.html
     
  3. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Hi Dawn...
    See the post on the smear on Cruz....he totally denied the alleged affair.
     
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  4. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    Either you are born with US citizenship naturally or you need to obtain it through a legal process. The court concluded Cruz's case is the first one, period.
     
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  5. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    ok, thanks, I did not know about that.
     
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  6. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Exactly
     
  7. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Trump needs to get over it.

    Now Trump is angry because his "brilliant political appointees" didn't figure the Colorado delegate system out in time ...not in time for trump to win. Now he is crying about how unfair it is.
     
  8. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    The Supreme Court has decided nothing yet. At this point all we have to go by are the words of our Founders. By their standard Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen. I don't care how many crooked lawyers and judges say otherwise. I'm starting to think that Scalia's suspicious death is connected to this whole festering issue because not only Cruz, but Obama's legitimacy also hangs in the balance.
     
  9. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    Yes, we have to be serious about this election and elect the best person according to our values, which we all here seem to share. So many of us on this forum keep saying everything is going up in flames in a storm before the election. What if it does not? What if, as Charlie Johnston has cautioned us many times, the words of the prophets and seers are being misinterpreted, even by the prophets and seers themselves, let alone all of us? How many times have we seen that happen, from Old and New Testament times up to the death of Joey Lomangino????? Please, please, please, serious Catholics out there, become informed, read widely and get out there and elect a president!!!

    yes on the sentiment, I don't buy the neocon stuff, it is just too much online jibber jabber with no back up, at least as much as it gets thrown around...
     
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  10. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Trumps "operatives" tried to smear Cruz with a totally false allegation of an affair.! And the a Trumpsters are crying about this? Oh, please!


    Oh....let's not forget about this garbage...that Trump had to admit was a mistake.....because public opinion pounded him on it! :
    Donald Trump tweets vicious threat about Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi
     
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  11. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Cruz is a naturalized US citizen not a Natural Born Citizen. Big difference.
     
  12. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    It doesn't matter if Rafael's mother was an American citizen when he was born. He may be an American citizen, but he is not a Natural Born American citizen. Anyone who took 7th grade government class can tell you that that is what they taught us - that you must be BORN IN AMERICA to be President. You can be a Senator or a Congressman and born somewhere else, but to be President, you must have been BORN IN AMERICA. His mother didn't even file for him to be an American citizen until he was in junior high or high school, and he needed a passport. The guy is a Canadian imposter just like Obama was a Kenyan imposter. Ted is not eligible to be President and if he somehow steals the Presidency like he is stealing votes in Colorado, he will be an illegitimate, unconstitutional President and a promoter of lawlessness.
     
  13. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    We will have to see. The obvious interpretation is you are born naturally with citizenship or you are not and need to get it through legal action. He was naturally born with US citizenship and at least one court agreed. Trump is the one who uses crooked lawyers and lots of cash to get what he wants, like abusing eminent domain and practically stealing the property of hard working people.
     
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  14. Dawn2

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    If your wife travelled for business and planned to be back home for the birth of your child, but happened to go into labor early and gave birth in some foreign country, does that mean your child is disqualified from running for president? No. Never has been the case. yes, the citizenship of the mom matters in that case. That is how many people end up with dual citizenship. If you become a US citizen through a legal process, you have to give up your orginal citizenship, we don't let you keep it. So how do you explain the condition of dual citizenship, under your reasoning, Richard?
     
  15. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Courts these days can give you any ruling you want. See Roe v. Wade. Hence the importance of having strict constructionists like Scalia on the Court who do not add or subtract to the Founder's intent. The Founder's intent on this issue is clear and explicit and not open to interpretation: NATURAL BORN Citizen. Those two words are about as explicit as it gets. Maybe Cruz will pull a Clinton and question the definition of "is."
     
  16. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Trump is crying about how unfair the rules in Colorado were to him...he doesn't like the system....

    Yet he used the "SYSTEM" to file for bankruptcy four times...Cheating his debtors and putting folks out of work.

    Did he take advantage of the "rules" for his advantage?

    Is he now crying that he was cheated because his people were not astute enough to to know the rules? All of the sudden the rules are unfair?

    Trump....Ask those who lost money because of your cheap business practices how fair the system was to them....you didn't care about them...did you? It's ok when the system works for you...but not for Cruz.
     
  17. Dawn2

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    Richard, if you are a strict constructionist, how can you dismiss the eminent domain issue? To me it is without question one of scariest things about Trump. He can read anything into the constitution that suits him and his wallet. That is not someone you want for President, or anywhere in government for that matter.
     
  18. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    You are confusing the terms Citizen and Natural Born Citizen.

    Either we are governed by the Constitution or not. The Natural Born Citizen clause was not defined in the Constitution because it was designed by educated men who knew what it meant in common usage. And in common usage, it meant someone born on the soil of the Country with two citizen parents. We can actually go back and see various Founding Fathers refer to this definition specifically. And it was re-affirmed by SCOTUS in 1875.

    The reason it matters is because our Founding Fathers wanted to ensure that the most powerful man in America, and our leader, be as American as possible and as free from foreign influence and attachments and affections as possible.

    If we had fought for this requirement to be upheld in 2008, Obama would never have been President. He is not a Natural Born Citizen, as he has only one citizen parent (and some dispute as to where he was born).

    The Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers do matter and I don't care what any crooked judge or Ted Cruz lawyer says: Cruz is not eligible to be President.

    Cruz is particularly at blame here because he knows better as an alleged Constitutional lawyer. He knows he is not eligible. He knows this and he doesn't care because all he cares about is his personal ambition and he's willing to destroy our Constitution to further his own ends. That is not a man who should ever be president regardless of his views on anything else.
     
  19. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Eminent domain is a non-issue. You wouldn't have the infrastructure and business might of America without it. The fact that Jeb was the one to bring it up was rather ironic considering that Jeb used eminent domain as Governor of Florida. Just another example of a cheap attack on Trump and one that is not well thought out ahead of time.
     
  20. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    I do understand the difference and the difference was explained but you did not respond to my response, you are just repeating and going on about the founding fathers. You don't know what the founding fathers thought. When was there a case of an American citizen having a child abroad not being considered a citizen automatically at birth? Don't use cases that are not that case. If you are born a citizen you are a natural born citizen. If you are not born a citizen you are not a natural born citizen and must go through the legal process if you want citizenship. Address the first case, don't offer examples about the second case.
     
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