US Presidential election 2016

Beth: I don't like Trump but I think it very wrong to compare him to Mussolini. I didn't read the link to the "professionals" which I presume dissects his personality and makes an unfavourable diagnosis. Such "professionals" should be ashamed of themselves. Similar "professionals" also diagnosed Putin. Best to see such diagnoses for the political spin that they are.

Trump's politics and his public statements are fair game. Character assassination is not.

 

Godwin's Law-lite?

 

No president in over forty years has had any more effect on limiting abortion than a gnat on the backside of an elephant, yet you knock Trump for it ante facto.

The Republican Party has for years used the pro-life movement as dupes, exploiting their good intentions as a source of guaranteed votes while maintaining them on a meagre diet of lame legislation and false promises. Yet more and more children get murdered and the perpetrators just get more brazen. Perhaps the pro-life movement might do better to approach Trump and call him out on it. They can hardly do worse with him than all his predecessors. I'm sorry if this comes across as a bit harsh, because pro-life activists are the finest in society, but they need to redirect their scepticism somewhat in this case, I think.

 

Couldn't have said it better. Bravo!!

 

Sorry, but that's how I feel...any man whose supported partial birth abortion and will not defund planned Parenhood is ok with murder.

Abortion is murder and it's a sin that this nation tolerates the mass slaughter of these babies and continues to elect candidates who will use government funds to kill them.

Someone tell me how different this is from what hitler did? I'll tell you...this sick nation legalized it....and these kind of politicians fund it.

This murder is dressed up in a medical clinic and renamed "choice", but it is still murder.

So if someone doesn't like this comparison, then that's too bad because it's exactly what it is....it's just that most folks don't want to acknowledge that they are living in a world where legally killing babies is a reality, it's murder...no matter what you call it.

And yes, trump has the characteristics of men from history who did really bad things...and funding abortion clinics to murder babies is a really bad thing! He will not say that he will defund them...and babies will be murdered..so, as I said, this is what I see.

That's what's wrong with this politically correct world, people are afraid to call something for what it is...they sanatize even abortion.

 

Trump has explicitly stated that he will defund Planned Parenthood if they continue to to do abortions. Quit repeating Cruz's lies. I have yet to hear Cruz name one person he would appoint to the Supreme Court. Trump named two in the last debate and one of them, Bill Pryor, stated that Roe v. Wad was "an abomination." Ted Cruz is a known cheater and liar, as evidenced by Iowa. You should be very careful about parroting his campaign talking points related to Trump.

Also, if Trump is a Mussolini according to your logic,does that mean Marco Rubio is also a Mussolini? I mean, Marco supports the violent removal of the Christian-protecting Assad. Marco supports arming "moderate" terrorist Syrian Rebels. And yet nowhere do you call him Mussolini.

 

Weve had evil republican and democrats, both parties are responsible for keeping abortion legal.

I'm sick of this political "out" called choice...and I don't care what party or person say that it is a "choice" . In my mind, anyone of them carry the same guilt....it's mass murder.

Im sick of how we demand politeness when we talk about this abortion thing...after all, it's just one little issue among so many others.

Did the Germans look the other way when they were gassing the Jews? Was political nationalism more important?

Someday in history, they will look back and ask, How did those people ever let millions of babies be cut up and sucked out of their mothers wombs? How did they vote for and elect people that would allow that?

I sure hope that the warning comes soon, because the eyes of many who have gone cold will be open.

 

While I am not going to compare Trump to any dictator psychopaths of the past, I will say that having someone of his personality in the Presidency would make me very uncomfortable. Trump is a narcissist, though. If Trump is not a narcissist, there is no such thing as a narcissist.

 

No, trump would not say that he would defund them! That's why planned parenthood thanked him and applauded him! They said they wished the other republicans would do the same. Repeating the same lie does not make it true.

You just want to believe it so you can feel ok supporting him.

This is tax dollars used to MURDER BABIES.

 

His kind of personality in history has proven very dangerous .

 

With all due respect, Beth, Trump wasn't an elected official who funded Planned Parenthood, so you can't pin that one on him. I agree with you that as President he would likely do very little to defund them. Republicans have held the purse strings in Washington for long enough to have done something - anything - to cut the funding rather than hiding behind Obama on this. It simply wasn't a high enough priority for them and they appear to have been stringing along the pro-lifers with excuses like "if only we had a majority in the Senate; if only we had a majority in the Congress; if only we had a Republican President". Very likely, a Republican President will fall back on "if only we had a majority in the Supreme Court".

A President Trump is less likely to veto a budget defunding PP than a President Clinton, so the aim should be to choose the Republican best equipped to beat Clinton. I'm not sure that Trump is the best candidate, but I would be very worried about him running as an independent out of spite for any Republican establishment efforts to thwart him. The pro lifers might well have shot themselves in the foot over this because if he does somehow manage to win the Presidency they won't be top of his list of favourites.

Getting down in the gutter to fight him does nobody any good. All it does is drag you down to his level, and makes him look like the victim outsider which is exactly what he wants.

Another thought that struck me: If what Richard says is true and there are lukewarm Democrats in his camp, they will come out and vote for him no matter what, but there's no guarantee that they will vote Republican in the Senate seats that are up for election.

 

I am not interested what Planned Parenthood or Ted Cruz says about Trump. I am interested with what Donald Trump says about Donald Trump. Here is what he said:

David Brody: “As a President Trump, if a bill came to your desk that would defund Planned Parenthood you would support that, you would sign that?”

Donald Trump: “Yes, because as long as they do the abortion I am not for funding Planned Parenthood but they do cervical cancer work. They do a lot of good things for women but as long as they’re involved with the abortions, as you know they say it’s 3% of their work, some people say it’s 10%, some people say it’s 8%, I hear all different percentages but it doesn’t matter. As long as they’re involved with abortion, as far as I’m concerned forget it, I wouldn’t fund them regardless. But they do do other good work. You look at cervical cancer. I’ve had women tell me they do some excellent work so I think you also have to put that into account but I would defund Planned Parenthood because of their view and the fact of their work on abortion.”

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/18/...ll-sign-a-bill-to-de-fund-planned-parenthood/

 

I get what you are saying, but supporting the worst of the republicans is not the answer...and I don't believe for one minute that he will be any worse than Clinton. If saying that is getting into the dirt, so be it. I firmly believe that his personality is very dangerous to this nation...and if saying it doesn't sound pretty, than so be it...because this is an election that we will not come back from. Babies are dying...!

I believe everything I have said to be true. We have stood by far too long and have played the political correct game and it hasn't done a thing to help stop abortion. If saying trump won't defund planned parenthood because prolifers didn't support his candidacy, then he was lying all along. If he has this so called change of heart all of the sudden, and he's the converted candidate he claims to be, then no worry...he'll stop the slaughter, right Richard?

Wel, I'll not be holding my breath, nor will I vote for him. My heart and conscience will not compromise.

If anyone wants to be wrong , it's me. Because, this election literally means the life and death of this country, both literally and spiritually.

Trumps whole history speaks for itself if one wants to see it...he should never be trusted with the highest office of this land...too much is at stake.

Just remember, that it was Catholics that put Obama in office.

 

Save it Richard...I've repeadly posted the video of him saying that PLANNED PARENTHOOD does GOOD THINGS for women and he wants to keep doing it! The money goes into one big pot....babies will be murdered...that's the truth, plain and simple. ProLife groups say, ANYONE BUT TRUMP because of this. If you support him, especially in a primary knowing this, then you are just deceiving yourself.

We have viable ProLife alternatives, but if that's not your issue, then go right ahead and ignore it, but even our church has said, the life issue is a preimient issue when voting...for those that care.

 

Beth, my heart goes out to you. I doubt there is anyone on this forum who wouldn't be four-square behind you. We all share the same objective, one that, without Divine assistance, we may not be able to achieve, it is just that there are differences of opinion in how we might approach it.

 

Viable pro-life alternatives are useless if a Democrat is president. And a failure to vote for a Republican candidate, no matter how much he seems to smell, is effectively a vote for the Democrat, is it not?

 

You are willfully ignoring Trump's own words on Planned Parenthood. He said that he would sign a bill to defund Planned Parenthood DESPITE the fact that he feels that they do good work in other areas. To say anything to the contrary after I just quoted Trump's own words demonstrates that you are willfully misrepresenting Trump's stated position on Planned Parenthood.

I can't help the fact that certain pro-life groups hate Trump so much that not only will they willfully misrepresent his stated positions on abortion, but are willing to jeopardize the election in the process. I worked too long for the pro-life movement, have stood outside abortion clinics praying rosaries for too long to allow the utter foolishness of certain pro-life groups to jeopardize this election. It is demoralizing to watch these pro-life groups literally destroying their best chance to defeat the Democrats.

 

Beth, I'm only too well aware that it was Catholics put the Clintons and Obama into office. I happen to think that Latino Catholics will once again put a Democrat in office if Trump is the Republican candidate. Trump's latest spat with the Pope will most likely garner support for him in the South Carolina primary - a State where there are very few Catholics and probably very, very few Catholic Republicans.

I worry not just for the babies at risk in the US but also the many millions at risk in Third World countries if the Democrat killing machine isn't stopped. Stopping them may entail making all kinds of compromises, even holding your nose while you vote for Trump.

 

I agree that the popes remarks will help trump, but sadly, at this point, I believe that trump will win the primary and likely the nomination.

Please explain to me what you mean by the democrats killing machine in third world countries and how you think trump would be a better alternative. I'm not sure of what you're referring to?
I'll add too, that I do not believe that trump will act any differently than the democrats...as far as I'm concerned, he's one of them...just parading around as a republican. He switches parties and positions like most people change cloths...often. To depend on him to do the right thing , on anything, after he is elected, is wishful thinking...in my opinion.

 

The Democrats support the abortion killing machine and will export it to poor countries via the UN and so-called humanitarian organisations where legalising and promoting abortion will be a condition of receiving aid and investment, all under the guise of tackling poverty. That's what they do, and the stronger they get in the US the more influence they wield worldwide. Narcissistic and foul-mouthed though Trump may be, is isn't rabidly anti-Christian like the Democrats and I doubt very much that he would put a whole lot of effort into exporting their death culture. He won't do a whole lot to stop others but neither will he put the weight of the US behind a la the Clintons and Obama. I don't think you realise how the Republican party and, by extension, American Christians are portrayed outside America by journalists and pundits who know where their bread is buttered. It is essential that a decent Republican is elected president, but not one who will carry on where Bush and later Obama left off.

I wouldn't have much hope in either Cruz or Trump beating Clinton but I reckon that Trump might get some support from lukewarm white Americans, whereas Cruz might have trouble getting liberal Republicans to turn out to vote for him. Judging by the carry on leading up to the primaries, it looks like the Republicans don't want to win the presidency.