Trump & Vance Humiliated Zelensky

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  1. miker

    miker Powers

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  2. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    This is all a lot bigger than that twerp, Zelensky.

    I have read a credible report that President Trump is about to announce the departure of the United States from NATO.

    If this is true, it practically proves the truth of those Catholic prophecies, because the powers-that-be that currently rule Europe, and sadly most of their people, are so stupid that it is inevitable that they will provoke the Bear and without US support, they won't be able to stop the Russians from reaching the Atlantic.

    Truly astonishing times.
     
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  3. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    I heard the same about NATO. Perhaps there will be an announcement tonight.
     
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  4. miker

    miker Powers

  5. PurpleFlower

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  6. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Wow. I had not heard that. Just got back from Holy Hour. Shrove Tuesday is the Devotion to the Holy Face. St. Theresa of Jesus, St. Therese of the Child Jesus and the Holy Face, St. John of the Cross, pray for us.
     
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  7. garabandal

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  8. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Maybe someone else has already posted this video but I just logged in and couldn't wait to find out. It's Vance's speech at the National Catholic Breakfast. An old cynic, I take everything from politicians with a handful of salt but I was blown away by this speech and wanted to share it on the forum. American members have probably seen it but I think it might lift the spirits of everyone here:



    May the Lord guide and protect VP Vance and shower grace upon him that he may grow in faith and that he may be the among the rare Catholic politicians who don't cause us to hang our heads in shame.

    I'll give him at least until Easter before calling him a hypocrite for doing something that I don't like.

    I'm tempted to write to him pleading the cause of Palestinians but he only asked for contact from Catholics in the US.
     
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  9. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Oh it's tomorrow! Ok!
     
  10. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    No, it's Wednesday morning for us, Tuesday night for you. The announcement on Truth Social is dated March 3rd.
     
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  11. He was promoting his Presidential joint address to Congress, which is wrapping up now on Shrove Tuesday USA time.
     
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  12. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Oh ok, thanks
     
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  13. Well the Democrats looked like sore losers who could not even clap for a 13 year old cancer survivor. Al Green showed total lack of class and had to be removed.

    Trump came off as a driving political force. So positive and in control.

    Agree with him or not...This was one of the greatest speeches by a President to Congress that I have ever heard in my 50 plus years of following politics.
     
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  14. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    No matter how hard the democrats tried to be a negative force, they were unsuccessful in overshadowing Trump's compelling speech. Many outstanding and emotional moments tonight. God bless America, and prayers for President Trump to be blessed with wisdom, perseverance, and hopefully his conversion.
     
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    I have to agree. Love him or hate him Trump is a driving force. I was embarrassed for the dems. On national TV in front of everyone. They made a spectacle of themselves. ( or as a student of mine wrote many years ago in one of the best malaprops I've ever seen--although she did not know it was a malaprop--"stop making a skeptical of yourself":D)

    I was skeptical of the dems before but now I am really put off.:rolleyes:
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    That was my prayer too! Almost the same words.:)
     
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  17. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    I think it's good that the US government wants to enforce a willingness for peace. Although one prophecy does speak of ‘a false peace’, i think.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sharing-US-military-intelligence-Ukraine.html

    The United States has banned Britain from sharing intelligence from Washington with Ukraine as part of its withdrawal of support for Volodymyr Zelensky.
    Donald Trump's decision to freeze American military aid to Kyiv yesterday brought warnings that Ukraine could run out of weapons in as little as two to three months' time.
    But on top of missiles and ammunition, all UK intelligence agencies and military outlets also received an order expressly forbidding the sharing of US-generated intelligence, previously known as 'Rel UKR' - short for Releasable to Ukraine'.
    Since the conflict began three years ago, the UK and other Western security partners such as Australia and New Zealand have shared such knowledge with Ukraine.
    But the Mail has learnt the top-level security classification has now been removed by the United States pending further notification and is likely to impact upon Kyiv's ability to defend itself against Russia's continuing onslaught.
    The ban affects the likes of the UK's GCHQ, the spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.
    Last night, UK military intelligence expert Phil Ingram told the Mail: 'The United States's instruction to stop allies sharing US-derived intelligence with Ukraine is what I would expect.
    'The US's intelligence partners, including Britain, have had their authority to pass on intelligence revoked.
    'The US will tightly control distribution of its intelligence to Ukraine through agencies based in Kyiv.'
    The move coincided with the US confirming it was pausing military aid to Kyiv as the rift between the two supposed allies deepened before Ukraine's president Volodmyr Zelensky offered US counterpart Donald Trump an olive branch yesterday.
    Last night, a senior Ukrainian official told the Financial Times: 'We have two to three months. After that, the position will be very difficult for us.
    'It will not be a total collapse, but we will be forced to withdraw from some areas more quickly'.
    Critics suggested any long-term freeze would lengthen rather than shorten the war.
    That is because it is expected to encourage the Kremlin to exploit Kyiv's dwindling weapons and ammunition stocks and launch a fresh bid for more territory.
    Russia currently occupies around one fifth of Ukraine, including eastern provinces and the Crimean peninsula.
    Ukraine is clinging on to a relatively small amount of territory it seized last year in the southern Russia province of Kursk.
    Currently, Ukrainian and Russia troops are facing off along a 600-mile frontline, which has gradually been pushed deeper into Ukraine due to Russian advances.
    The decision to suspend military aid came three days after a dramatic clash in the Oval Office between presidents Trump and Zelensky.
    To date, the US has provided military aid worth £53 billion to Ukraine, compared to Europe's combined total, which includes Britain, of £51 billion.
    While, in theory, Europe could eventually double its support for Ukraine - and use frozen Russian assets to pay for weapons - the US supplies a lot of high-end equipment that other states do not possess.
    The impact of the suspension of military aid could be felt first by Ukrainian civilians should US-gifted Patriot defence missile systems run dry and leave Kyiv unable to protect its skies from Russian bombardments.
    Last night, Nato allies expressed regret over the decision. Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen told a thinktank in London 'we need the Americans militarily.
    'This definitely shouldn't be a moment where we give in. As on the battlefield, Russia has not really been advancing in recent months.'
    French prime minister François Bayrou said the freeze on aid was akin to abandoning Ukraine in favour of a Russian victory.
    He told French senators: 'The word 'suspension' fools no one.
    'The suspension in war of assistance to an aggressed country signifies that the aggressed country is being abandoned and that one accepts — or hopes — that its aggressor wins. It is obviously unbearable.'
    Unsurprisingly, the White House's move was welcomed in the Kremlin, where Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: 'If the US stops or suspends supplies, this will probably be the best contribution to the cause of peace.'
    According to Western officials, about 20 per cent of military hardware in the Ukraine comes from the US. Some 25 per cent comes from Europe, including the UK and other nations. About 55 per cent is funded by Ukraine and comes from Ukrainian production.
    The pause includes all US military equipment not currently in Ukraine, including weapons in transit and at bases in Poland. It will affect more than £790 million in arms and ammunition, such as rockets, anti-tank weapons and armoured vehicles.
    Even before the pause, Ukraine was outnumbered three to one on troops, five to one on artillery and ten to one on artillery vehicles compared to Russia.
    Artillery, GPS-guided missile systems and Patriot air defence systems, provided by the US, are deemed essential if Ukraine wants to stave off certain defeat.
    Even some sophisticated UK weapons systems, including Storm Shadow cruise missiles rely on the US to hit the right targets.
    Matthew Savill, director of military sciences at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) said Storm Shadow need the dummy missiles provided by the US to interfere with Russian air defences.
    The highly advanced £750 million Patriots are crucial for protecting Ukraine's skies and can do Russia's most advanced ballistic missiles including its air-launched hypersonic Kinzhal.
    For this reason, the UK's Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is determined to secure Patriot as part of a US air-cover package for any UK-led European peacekeeping force.
    To date, the US has provided Ukraine with more than 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), more than 200 Howitzers and more than 300,000 155mm artillery rounds.
    It has also sent more than 3 million 155mm artillery rounds, more than 7,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds, 1 million 105mm artillery rounds and more than 400,000 152mm artillery rounds.
    The US has also gifted more than 700,000 mortar rounds, 31 world-leading Abrams tanks, more than 300 Bradley fighting vehicles and around 2,000 armoured personnel carriers.
     
  18. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    I had never heard of Paul Craig Roberts until I saw him interviewed on the Dialogue Works youtube channel. (I like that channel because the interviewer lets his guests speak without interruption. Some of his guests are really hard to tolerate so I give those videos a miss.) Paul Craig Roberts is not a frequent guest but what he says gives much pause for thought. He's a former Assistant Secretary to the US Treasury possibly in the Reagan era. What he says in this video strikes me as probably the best assessment of what Trump is about and his likely impact on the power balance in the world in the near and maybe long term:

     
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  19. DeGaulle

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    If Macron, another mouse roaring, gets his way, we in Europe can rest assured that we will be safe under a French 'nuclear umbrella'. According to wickipaedia, which is hardly Russian propaganda, Russia possesses over five and a half thousand warheads; France has 290. Given the vastness of Russia, that small number would be very much diluted, even assuming that France has missiles capable of delivering them and a system to avoid detection before they strike. In contrast, Europe is the perfect target with its multiple population concentrations in very large cities, against an opponent who seems to be ahead of the technology and missile game...it is reported that they have neutered Starlink in the Crimea area and Oreshniks, which NATO has already been shown as unable to intercept, despite being informed of launch, are capable of hitting London in fifteen to twenty minutes...
     
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  20. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    The French and War, Since Napoleon, Are a Cartoon in Military Terms. Germany Trampled Them Like the Biggest European Power in Just a Few Days.

    Now, they have 20 to 30% migrant population, especially in younger age groups. On New Year's Eve, they set fire to thousands of cars, and I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if a state of war were declared.

    However, you've got me thinking about something. Although I'm not a big supporter of prophecies, as they come from various sources that are often unreliable in today's world, I know that uprisings in Europe were mentioned as a precursor to major events.

    Considering that the European population is even more inclined toward traditional protection of their countries, but due to massive migrations in numerous countries, they cannot come to power, any potential entry of European troops into Ukraine would cause social riots across Europe. It could possibly escalate into something more serious, like a civil war, as the majority of the right-wing and reasonable people do not want their children, nor themselves, to die on the Eastern front for foreign (banking, political) interests.

    Another question arises: Why is the European political elite so afraid to stop the war? I understand part of it is due to money and corruption, but billions have been put into private pockets over the last three years... Why can't they stop, and why such aggression towards Russia that they go mad when a ceasefire is mentioned?

    Are the mineral resources they now won’t access part of the reason, having financed the war, and everything might now come to payment?

    Or are they perhaps aware that by stopping the war, with enormous debts and now expensive energy, everything will come to collect, especially the large European social system, which could collapse due to high numbers of migrants and an aging population?

    Why are they so scared?

    I would also point out one more thing. You mentioned French nuclear weapons, but I would mention French nuclear power plants. They have the most nuclear power plants in the world, producing more than 50% of their electricity. The Russians have demonstrated they have ballistic missiles that no anti-air defense can intercept. One missile is enough to hit a reactor in Normandy, causing complete devastation in France, Spain, and Britain, contaminating the sea for the next 1,000 years.

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