Trump Transition/Post-2016 election

Discussion in 'The Spirit of the USA' started by Harper, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    So what if the Russians tried to sway an election. The US tries to sway elections all over the world and have been doing so for decades. Do you think that the people the US supports in those countries don't know that they are getting US help? Do what I say and not what I do seems to be the default position for the anti-Trump brigade. Presumably they do consider it ok to interfere in foreign elections because nobody has ever put a stop to it. Of course, the Democrats and their friends in the Republican Party wouldn't want anyone finding out just how much influence Arab money has bought in US politics. Better for them to deflect by pointing the finger at Trump and the Russians. The Russian activities have already been investigated and Clapper said that there was no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it. No evidence means that any allegations to the contrary are unfounded. I'm afraid, Dawn, that you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that Pence would be able to govern with any authority should Trump be removed. He would be a lame duck President from day one.
     
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  2. CathyG

    CathyG Archangels

    I actually never read Breitbart. As I said, that was what came up when I googled for info on the hacking. And I absolutely never watch CNN unless I want Democratic propaganda so your link doesn't sway me. Trump's "acknowledgement" was half-hearted at best as the article indicates. I guess the question still remains that if the Russians hacked the election where is the evidence that it was intended to sway voters toward Donald Trump, how was this accomplished and did it have the intended effect. Here is an article that questions the veracity and scope of the democrats' intelligence claims.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...ing-russian-hacking-2016-election-rigged.html

    I guess my overarching point is this: I don't trust a thing that the mainstream media and the losing party trots out to undermine President Trump. From the get-go they have been twisting and turning, writhing in anger, and resorting to their Alinsky tactics to discredit him. That, to me, is childish to say the least. So if Trump has to resort to "undignified" tweets to get his message across who can blame him?
     
  3. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    I think we might be missing each others' points to some extent here. My point is that no-one is accusing Trump of accepting funds from a potential enemy (Russia) but Clinton actually did do so (Saudi Arabia) which must be a much more serious matter. It also explains a great deal about the Democrats' reluctance to acknowledge the link between Islam and terrorism and about their failure to prevent questionable immigration from Islamic countries. Whatever the Russians might have indicated to the Trump team, they have been know to lie ( I am shocked, shocked I tell you!). They well might have been praying for Clinton, whatever they said to Pence or whoever. If they had sent Trump billions of dollars, I might have believed in their bias and, what was to stop them if the Saudis did it for Clinton? Nothing except their assumption, along with everyone else, that Trump's was a hopeless candidature.
     
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  4. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    OK, by this logic then the wiretap should have revealed President Trumps insidious ties then correct? I mean we are talking about the prior administration and its intelligence agencies doing pretty much anything it could to assure a victory for Hillary.

    If the wiretap did not reveal anything credible regarding President Trumps supposed ties to Russia then where are these facts tying him to them? We all know if there was an inkling of misdeed it would have been leaked to the press and all over for him.

    Also, Pence is the one we want in the CIC chair? The Mike Pence who would not stand up for the Armenians who were brutally slaughtered and instead chooses to align the US with their murderers?

     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    That was back in the day when the US was supporting Erdogan and promoting him as an example of Muslim democratic leadership and Americas's BFF in the region. The Jihadi Highway and the Mediterranean being turned into a watery cemetery were the fruits of that alliance. Even atheist France made it illegal to deny the Armenian genocide.

    Trump and Pence having been elected on the same ticket, how could Pence survive if Trump's election were declared invalid due to collaboration with the Russians?
     
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  6. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    there is no legal road, as far as I know, at this point, to declare the election invalid. the electors voted, the election's been certified. most people think the hacking did little to change votes, anyway. Trump is legally president. If an investigation, and we don't know if one is going on because they don't comment one way or the other, they say "we can neither confirm or deny...." about any investigation. Congress has asked for one, I'm guessing one is going on. If he did something illegal, he would be impeached, which means he would be put on trial. If found guilty he would be removed and Pence would step in. That's how it would go.
     
  7. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    And if he is impeached, the anarchist demonstrations will be stepped up possibly making the country ungovernable unless Pence makes compromises left, right and centre. Most likely that would mean any future Supreme Court vacancy being filled by a compromise candidate and an "as you were, prior to the election" position on social issues which the Republicans will nominally oppose while accepting under the guise of bipartisan co-operation for the sake of the country so long as they get some trade-off on fiscal matters. Same old, same old.

    You finally have a President willing to stand up against the Democratic media machine and the Republicans who confine themselves to paying lip service to social conservatism, yet you join with the Democrats in undermining him in some faint hope that Pence will do better without him. Do you seriously believe that the likes of Romney cares too hoots about abortion in the US never mind tying it to US aid in poor countries?

    Editing this to add that without Trump there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of having any investigation into what Obama and Clinton were up to. And the public servants whose job security depended on the fifth amendment will sleep easy in their beds again.
     
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  8. Dawn2

    Dawn2 Archangels

    Pence would be president and yes, he would uphold all the conservative policies promised in the election. The only difference, according to Pence himself, is that he does not trust Putin and believes he is dictator who needs to be contained and opposed. he usually disagrees with the wacky comments/tweets Trump makes. As far as policy, that is the only difference. He's stable and a grown up. Romney would have nothing to do with it. The investigation into Hilary's emails is still going on. The problem is if Trump had a deal with Russia, or if he can be blackmailed by them, he can't be trusted. yes, this would be far worse than taking money from them. Campaign contribution records are public. This would not be public.
     
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  10. Huh??? Haven't a clue as to what you are saying there or why. That justice department made it up as they went along with their control over the deep state. But with Zero's latest statement about nothing coming directly from him or the White House would make her (Lynch) think with good reason that she would be the fall guy. Why her hysterical reaction about blood in the streets. Thing is....the White House Counsel would have to approve or sign off on any FISA court permitted tapping.....so Zero would know and be at the helm. In the Gen. Flynn case, while they're trying to justify that listen in on the fact that such Russians were logically spied upon....unfortunately to that reasoning is that if there is an American citizen involved (Gen. Flynn) in such a taped conversation he/she is to be protected and unnamed. But since Flynn was the real reason for the taping that requirement naturally went by the wayside so the leaker would have that identity to spew forth/felony.
     
  11. Tanker

    Tanker Powers

    I agree we should defund completely. But I think it is a great idea to undermine the PR from PP recently about how horrible it would be if they were defunded because they offer soooooo many services to women. We all know this is bunk but people buy the lies. This is a great way to clear the smoke and mirrors on that statement. It's brilliant really.
     
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  12. DEEP STATE UPDATE: Senior Most Intel Officials Leaked Flynn Phone Call Transcripts (VIDEO)

    FOX News analyst Catherine Herridge went on with Tucker Carlson to discuss the unprecedented Deep State leaks on General Mike Flynn.

    Herridge said this was a top level Deep State leak. Only a select few had access to this information.


    Catherine Herridge: The claim that they (Obama administration) never interfered with with a federal investigation, I would argue is patently false because throughout the Clinton email campaign what we saw from Mr. Obama were multiple public statements where he seemed to put his hand on the scale of justice…

    …I think it is important for the people at home to know is some of the intelligence we talk about such as these transcripts between the former National Security Adviser, Mike Flynn, and the Russian ambassador, I know some people who have gone 30 years in the intelligence community and they will never see an NSA transcript. That’s because it’s so closely held. So this was information at the senior most levels of the intelligence community that was leaked for what I would say was partisan purposes… The fact that that was leaked to reporters, that’s a threshold we have not crossed before.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ls-leaked-flynn-phone-call-transcripts-video/
     
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  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Dawn; So our intelligence agencies investigated him and likely some of his staff, were denied their first go around at a FISA request due to insufficient evidence and then 4 months later got one through finally. This was reported by the media before the election. After which we heard nary a peep and no charges were ever filed. Are you implying that with all the leaks in the WH and intelligence community that if there were ANY whiff of incriminating evidence that it would somehow have NOT been all over the press? Mind you this was before the election, the perfect time to release the hounds and put him to rest once and for all. He never would have been elected.

    Do you honestly think that somehow Trump won the election while being beholden to Russia and will be impeached now as a result? This seems incredibly naive to me. This is all posturing, plain and simple. and the revealing of this intelligence investigation before the election just shows how deceitful the corporate media is in its dogged insistence that there is some nefarious tie to Russia via Trump.

    If as you say Trump has something to hide then why is he on twitter telling the whole world? Seems pretty transparent to me, I would think people would like that about our leaders but apparently not. Or is it that half the country is fooling themselves thinking that we need to hold up some supposedly pious politician to worship? Donald Trump does not and has never held himself up in some half hearted attempt at piety. He is flawed, deeply and yet he has a love of his country that resonates with Americans of all backgrounds. He is the only person who has even mentioned overturning the Johnson amendment giving our Parishes the freedom to speak out against Politicians who support grave injustices!

    As far as Pence goes, he had a chance to condemn the GENOCIDE that Turkey committed against Christians and instead chose the poison alliance with the devil itself. These women and children were raped, murdered, and crucified! This was an act that took place how long ago and it only came up in the congress in 2010? Will it ever make it back there to be shot down in the name of military allegiances again? All the while professing his piety and loyalty to Christ!?!?!?

    I find it interesting that you trust anything that he says after he has gone against the Christian values he says that he holds so very dear to his heart.
     
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  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Its brilliant. Lets all see in the light of truth the values that PP holds dear.

    "Offering money to Planned Parenthood to abandon our patients and our values is not a deal that we will ever accept. Providing critical healthcare services for millions of American women is nonnegotiable."

    Bye bye PP!
     
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  15. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Thank you very much Beth and others to pray for our country. Abortion, euthanasia, intentions to replace 2nd Christmas holiday by a Muslim holiday, Halal food in schools, etc. etc. They really need GOD's election !
     
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  16. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    I have a question: can anyone of you forward me the link of that horrible video in which a young girl testimonied (in the United Kingdom) that she was abused by satanists (+/- 10 years ago ?) ? I need to show this video to some persons here who are a little bit naïve... together with some very good articles. I do not remember anymore in which thread it has been posted.... Could any of you give me a tip ? Thanks a lot.
     
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  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    Sorry Elisa...can't help you with that story, but here is a recent story in the USA. ...satainist.....murder.....rape....

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017...-13-gang-members-accused-raping-minor-murder/
     
  18. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    A lovely world we live in... thanks you for this info. The smile on the faces of those guyes goes beyond any understanding.
    But I will keep me to the video I mentioned, because it was very touching and convincing.... and that is needed today.
     
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  19. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Perhaps, Elisa, these are the videos you are looking for:





    All three videos have Pizzagate in the title. It might be better if you could find the same videos without that title. I'm very sure that there were other videos telling the girl's story.
     
  20. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Yes Dolours, that is the one I was looking for ! Thanks a lot. What a quick service I receive here from both of you and Beth ! :)
    And when searching for the horror, of course,:cry: I discovered another horror: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ild-sex-slave-sold-Belgian-recalls-abuse.html regarding a small girl and now a woman around 50 that was abused in Belgium during the Dutroux-scandal and who fled to the USA ! But one thing I do not understand: on her facebook page she does not support Trump... : https://www.facebook.com/AnnekeLucas2/

    Already seen ? :
     
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