Fede, before taking the words of one man’s view of just what Sacred Scripture was alluding to, I would seriously take care to consult what various Fathers of the Church have said as to their meaning. If something is not coming from an authoritative source, it runs the high risk of conjecture. You may wish to consult St. Thomas Aquinas’ “Catena Aurea” available online for a starting point.~AN
Reposting from CTTK thread. There are many who disagree with Mark Mallett's and Christine Watkin's take on The Warning. One person is Becky Malmquist, a Catholic writer, Carmelite in formation, and student at the Avila Institute. She issued a challenge to a large (14K+) Catholic group on Facebook to read original sources to determine if The Warning's references were accurate. Neither Malmquist nor Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers found Watkin's research to be well-founded. (Akin also took on research to investigate Watkin's--and Countdown to the Kingdom's--claims about this alleged event: The result of the thread in which I asked if there is any evidence from a Church-approved source that explicitly says there will be a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience is that no evidence has been provided so far that meets this standard. All the examples require taking quotes out of context, reading into the text things that aren’t there, or claiming that a saint said something for which there is no primary source corroboration. Some examples: St. Edmond Campion is cited as the first saint to mention the illumination of conscience. But when the quote is read in context, it is clear he is speaking of the Last Judgment, not a worldwide illumination of conscience. St. Faustina is cited as having prophesied a coming illumination, but nowhere in her diary will you find this stated. In order to come to this conclusion, one must create this interpretation without clear evidence. St. Faustina experienced her own illumination; however, this is common among saints and even everyday people who practice mental prayer and pursue a life of union with God. An individual’s illumination is not proof that a worldwide, simultaneous illumination is coming. In the case of St. Faustina, one has to conflate two different things in order to get to the conclusion of a worldwide illumination of conscience. It’s her personal illumination and a vision of a sign in the sky (involving light during darkness). The element of light is used in both cases but with different meanings. Blessed Anna Maria Taigi is quoted as having predicted a worldwide illumination; however, the only evidence of this quote is people saying she said it. There is no evidence in her writings. Pope Pius IX: Like Blessed Anna Maria Taigi’s quote, no original source has been found. Also, he does not explicitly mention a worldwide illumination of conscience; one must read into the text, as is done with St. Faustina. He speaks of a “great wonder” which The Warning proponents interpret as an illumination of conscience. The apparition at Heede, Germany, does not explicitly state that there will be a worldwide illumination of conscience. One has to read this into the text, similarly as is done with the Pope Pius IX quote above and St. Faustina. Along the same lines, some messages of Maria Esperanza, although they have approval, do not explicitly mention a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience. Like the others, one must read this idea into the words. Maria Esperanza said, “In the coming years a new light from Heaven will illuminate hearts.” This could be interpreted to mean increased graces of conversion. Without an explanation, we can’t definitively conclude that what was meant at Betania was a worldwide illumination. Elizabeth Kindlemann’s writings have not been officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Church. Luz de Maria Bonilla’s alleged locutions are ongoing, so they cannot yet be declared worthy of belief. [The National Catholic Register has questioned the validity of the imprimatur issued to Luz de Maria's book, because the bishop seemingly lacked jurisdiction under canon law.] The first example I can find of an explicit reference to a warning or worldwide illumination of conscience comes from the unapproved messages of Garabandal. The local bishops have consistently declared that the supernatural character of the apparitions could not be confirmed. In other words, the messages of Garabandal do not have Church approval. https://www.facebook.com/beckyjm/posts/10112025682941830 .
I wish she would have been more precise and stated something like, “As of now, the messages of Garabandal do not have Church approval due, in part, to the fact that the alleged prophesied future events are still pending.” Her writing makes it seems as though Garabandal has been written off but this is not currently the case. I would seriously think to ask Glenn Hudson for any updates as he follows this very closely.
My understanding is that Garabandal has been through several reviews, but it status has not altered recently. I don't know if I'd characterize it as "written off." The Church has not ruled against, either.
Yes. I believe we are in agreement here, Christy. But, what I’m saying is that the author of the piece, in my opinion, wrote as though she would not be, and looked upon it more negatively. That was my only point really.
Malmquist's interpretation of some of these texts are also subjective and her opinion. She comes from a position where she does not believe that there will be an illumination so interprets them in the light of her preconceptions. Likewise, those who accept that there may an illumination also will interpret texts in light of their bias. Garbandal is the most explict in dealing with the Aviso - the key visionary is still alive and lives a good holy life so we await the outcome of the prophecies -- Meanwhile, we should all remain conscious of the fact that any day we might be called before the judgement seat of God to face our own personal illuminative encounter with the Thrice Holy God. Death can come like a thief in the night to any of us.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you hardly participate or contribute in this forum except to pop in to bash CTTK and its contributors, in particular Mark M and Christine W. The warning is something that happened already for goodness sake, in the past to Saul before he became St Paul, and in the present to many living witnesses (Marino Restrepo, Alan Ames, Gloria Polo...). The Warning is an act of supreme Mercy, a sign of hope for us and of outstanding Love of God and as I understand it, it is Our Mother Who obtained this Grace for us and in a very large part given to humanity because of the failings of our pastors. If I had the time and energy, I would dig up the research to show souls of good faith that there are many more prophetic voices over and above the ones listed by CTTK contributors which have prophesied the warning over the centuries and I know of a few French ones including French mystic Marthe Robin (sr Emmanuelle in Medjugorje has talked about the illumination as revealed by Marthe Robin). There are prophets living now plus a few who died recently that I know of who are Francophone and of other nationalities, but I guess it would be of no use to post their names since their work is in French only. Instead I'll recommend once again the wonderful book on this subject by Dr Thomas Petrisko, The Miracle of the Illumination of All Consciences, which you can find in many places, but also on this site which has many of his other books. His book about the illumination pre-dates Watkins' book (published in 2000). Editing this to add: I've also read many of Dr Petrisko's other books and recommend them all. In reading his books (including his wonderful book about Fatima) and others, I have come to understand that Our Father's Plan continues to unfold and the Warning is part of it. It's all about re-establishing the bonds between us and Our Father, bonds that were broken in Eden. And all of this will come about through Our Mother, who will reconcile us with the Father and the Holy Trinity. She is after all the Daughter of the Father, the Mother of the Son and the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the model given to us Who shows us how we are supposed to be united to the Trinity. This has been said by others of course, but I was just inspired to say it here too. About Dr Petrisko:
Actually, Malmquist worked with a large group of other people to check out original sources. She posted an open question, and others went and did the research; she coordinated the findings. So, no. Jimmy Akin, separately, did the same thing for his extensive podcast--crowdsourcing research and answers. Whether the source materials support the claims made by others is an objective question, or at least largely objective. It is nowhere near settled. The Church does not have The Warning as part of its official teaching, of course. Unless you can find it in the Catechism or the Vatican website. .
Yes, you are wrong. Even if you had been correct, what of it? Glenn, for instance, focuses on Garabandal. That doesn't seem to be a problem. The Countdown people have caused harm. Apparently they didn't take the basic step of checking with Fr. Rodrigue's bishop before setting out to push his predictions into the public. According to Bishop Lemay, people from around the world called his office, upset and fearful. That is not a good fruit. Why is pointing out that issue and others a bad thing?* ETA: If, as you say, there is information out there to substantiate your claim on The Warning, then one or two examples would be sufficient for "souls of good faith." I wouldn't characterize St. Paul's conversion as The Warning, by the way, since that is alleged to be a worldwide, instantaneous event, with time stopping for all, etc. I would not conflate it with the individual judgment, either. *I doubt anyone here feels the need to buy Blessed Grapes for the famine, or "Oil of the Good Samaritan" to ward off viruses.
I stand corrected then and apologize for the statement. I'm not sure if this is addressed to me or EarthtoAngels (ETA) but Saul's conversion has often been compared to the illumination of conscience. I listen to a French priest on fire with the Divine Will and he compares what happened to Saul as what we will experience in the illumination. Mark Mallett has also done so in this blog. Several priests, mystics and authors say that the illumination of conscience is a Grace that has been given to a certain number of souls already and that is what we can all expect in the global event which will come when things will be at their worst, and for that event, time will stop etc. I don't understand what this comment is about, but it is an error to say that blessed objects can be bought or sold as they lose their blessings (it's a sin to buy or sell blessed objects)... I'll end by recommending again Dr Petrisko's book on the The Miracle of the Illumination of All Consciences.
Andree, ETA is often used as"edited to add" but I can certainly understand your mistake. I know Paul's conversion has been compared to the alleged warning. Being similar doesn't go near proving there will be a warning, or that the warning is more than speculation or misreading of original sources. The "blessed grapes" notion is proposed in the remedies section of CTTK. The suggestion is to buy grapes, have them blessed, then rub them together with any new grapes to convey the blessing. It was "given" to one or another of Countdown's unverified messengers. Daniel O'Connor distanced himself from this practice, which apparently triggered online push-back/ridicule. Edited to Add: The Oil of the Good Samaritan is a product sold by the Malletts and promoted on CTTK. It is the same formula as something called "Thieves Oil." Thieves Oil is a traditional remedy dating to the Middle Ages, when it was sold to protect against the plague (and failed). I would heartily recommend (again) Jimmy Akin's podcast on The Warning. It is a point-by-point look at Christine Watkins book of the same name. Akin checked out many of her footnotes and references, and offers detailed rebuttals. http://jimmyakin.com/2020/10/the-wa...ic-prophecy-jimmy-akins-mysterious-world.html
I believe that a mini kind of warning and/or judgement do happen to individuals... such as Saul, Marino Restrepo, Fr Rick Wendell, etc... even Padraig. Even happened to me back in year 1991 on Holy Thursday evening. Our Lady repeated this question three times in a row, "Are you listening?" I don't talk about it to many people though. I heard her beautiful, harmonically voice very distinctly and it happened while without my hearing aid on and so I was completely deaf when I heard this! This profound experience has really converted me to God and the church and etc. So many graces involved then. So, my point is, if God permitted Jesus or Mary to appear or to speak to individuals around in the world... God can and will do anything...nothing is impossible for Him. He can do the Illumination of Conscience or Warning to EVERYONE in this world all at the same time. I believe this could happen when signs are at its worst. But we are not to know or guess the date of the warning. It will come like a thief in the night. Garabandal is one of them that I follow and watch... My advice: Keep praying, watch and stay in the state of grace (monthly confession esp when most are available now) ... try to be good and spread God's love. Be the children of His Light. Then you'll get through the warning experience just fine.
Hi, Catherine. That was a wonderful personal grace you received! I think for most of us, it may all come down to semantics. I associate the prophesied Aviso (Warning) of Garabandal with its scope and function simultaneously: thus, a universal correcting of the conscience of the world collectively. Individually, I would not choose to call it that but, instead, a signal grace. God bless you!
Countdown doesn’t own the idea of a warning. They are doing a disservice to the Garabandal messages by bringing them into their narrative instead of letting them stand on their own. Tying in other unapproved “seers” and taking messages from real mystics out of context doesn’t help. None of us know what the future holds. Christy was right to make the points she did.
Thanks, WTW. I agree Garabandal is a much better documented and 'substantial' series of messages/apparitions than the bulk of those folded into Countdown's alleged "prophetic consensus." Garabandal should be considered on its own merits.
Well a friend of mine came back from Croatia last year and told me an important information about the date of the Warning. She heard it from an old croatian prophet. Conchita at that time in the future will be over 90 years old, almost a hundred years old. I trust 100% in this. God Bless You all
There is one tiny problem with the Illumination being like what happened to Saint Paul at his conversion. He came away blind. I hope and pray our illumination of conscience will be a milder dose of Heavenly Light, not enough to blind us.
Actually Julia, the case about St Paul's experience and the flash of light as a meteor has come up in the past on the forum. About his blindness, I had found an article years ago that showed that blindness is a temporary effect that follows exposure to flashes of bright light from meteors. Did Conchita not say the the Warning would also involve an event in the sky, like two stars colliding? So maybe blindness will follow for some of us, and that could well be a blessing since it would encourage staying still and praying over the experience while making it impossible to run to the TV, iphone or worse activity for those who choose evil. Here are a few other links to consider - St Paul's conversion : https://motheofgod.com/threads/st-paul-meteors-the-warning.7420/#post-85999 And in the above thread, QuD had posted a few of his own, which I copy: http://motheofgod.com/threads/is-god-mean.7084/#post-86025 (Paul's conversion) http://motheofgod.com/threads/fatima-noah-and-same-sex-marriage.7415/#post-86024 (Meteor blast at Sodom)
