The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I have a strong sense of foreboding here where Cdl. Wuerl is concerned, and I am here in his Archdiocese. I do pray for him, but......
    Right after Pope Francis was announced as the next Pope, Cdl. Wuerl appeared on EWTN and faced a small panel of announcers and his face was unnaturally lit up in a HUGE, inappropriate-for-the-occasion grin.
    The male panelist looked taken aback by this, and the female panelist returned the huge grin and giggled. I was somewhat mortified by the display. Wish I could find it on video.
     
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  2. More "Happy Land". Are we gonna join with this group too?!!: (Um, isn't there a likelihood that said groups might just change their minds about themselves in the future.....then, another transition "ceremony" maybe??)

    Church of England Votes in Favour of ‘Marking’ Gender Transitions with Religious Ceremony

    The General Synod of the Church of England has voted to ‘welcome transgender people’ by considering preparing a church service as a way to “mark a person’s gender transition”.

    The official church of the United Kingdom voted four to one in favour amongst the Clergy and more than two to one amongst the Laity (members who are not Clergy) at the four-day Synod, the motion reading:

    “That this Synod, recognising the need for transgender people to be welcomed and affirmed in their parish church, call on the House of Bishops to consider whether some nationally commended liturgical materials might be prepared to mark a person’s gender transition.”

    Vicar of Lancaster Priory Church, Chris Newlands, posed the motion to the Synod, saying he would speak on behalf of transgender people as the church’s Synod has none.

    He said: “We need to be aware of the impact that our actions – be them welcome or rejection – have on the members of the trans community.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/09/church-england-votes-welcome-transgender-ceremony/
     
  3. (cont'd from above)

    Whew! And they overcame this rather "minor" little hang up too pretty easily although it leaves one with an "image" of a pretty confused God:

    The BBC reports that, “Such a service would not be a second baptism, however, as the Church’s teaching is that humans are made in the image of God – transcending gender – and baptism takes place only once.”


    .....Archbishop of York Dr. John Sentamu said there was a need for vicars “to welcome and affirm, in their parish, transgender people”, adding that the “theology has to be done” by the House of Bishops and “can be done very quickly”.


    Wand....poof.....done!!:confused:
     
  4. picadillo

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  5. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    For what it is worth, Fr Malachi Martin
    told me, after asking about Wuerl possibly coming to Chicago after Bernadine died of aids, that in ecclesiastical circles he is known as "Donna" Wuerl.
     
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  6. picadillo

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  7. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Sorry HH. You got Donna Wuerl after "Uncle Ted" Mcarrick and his beach house.
     
  8. HeavenlyHosts

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    Picadillo, I am cringing.:eek: Whew.
     
  9. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    What a perfect response - thanks! And yes, Cardinal Ratzinger clarified this whole matter some time ago. I wish someone would find the text and post it.
     
  10. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Look at the date that Our Lady said that at La Salette. It took awhile but it is happening.
     
  12. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    WOW! :(
     
  13. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    He was just two dioceses west of me, and we used to occasionally attend Latin Mass in his Pittsburgh diocese. That nickname is longstanding and very well known here.

    http://www.donaldwuerl.com
     
  14. BrianK

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    http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/fe/perspective1043.asp

    A Sin against the Holy Ghost?
    by Christopher A. Ferrara
    July 6, 2017

    Today I attended a remarkable lecture by one of the most extraordinary speakers in the Anglophone world. He must remain anonymous, given the current climate in the Latin American banana republic the human element of the Church has become during this pontificate.

    The theme of this riveting talk was an amusing examination of the claim, promoted incessantly by Pope Bergoglio’s henchmen — at this point in the Bergoglian debacle there is no other word for them — that the Pope is chosen directly by the Holy Ghost and that the Holy Ghost speaks through the Pope in some oracular fashion, so that his every utterance commands unquestioning obedience as “the voice of the Holy Spirit.”

    This is nonsense, as our speaker reminded us, belied by even a cursory review of the history of the papacy (with evil intrigues and shockingly immoral behavior by a number of pontiffs) and by the very limited scope of papal infallibility as defined — infallibly — by the First Vatican Council. Our speaker noted that, as Cardinal Ratzinger once explained in answer to the question whether the Holy Ghost personally chooses each Pope: “There are too many contrary instances of popes the Holy Spirit obviously would not have picked!... [T]he Spirit’s role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined.”

    That is, the Holy Ghost acts to prevent the worst from happening, that being the total destruction of the Church, while allowing the operation of free will even to the extent of permitting acts and omissions that bring on an ecclesial crisis, including the election of a bad pope.

    Thus, our guarantee of the integrity of Catholic doctrine is not that a particular Pope has said X or not-X for the first time in Church history, but rather that he says X or not-X in line with the constant teaching of the Church by the Popes, Councils and bishops down through the centuries. For as the First Vatican Council declared, “the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.”

    Yet the papal henchmen now declare that Pope Bergoglio is the handpicked oracle of the Holy Ghost. But only him. For no such preposterous claim was made by the same characters (for example, Cardinal Schönborn, Cardinal Maradiaga, Cardinal Kasper and Msgr. Pio Vito Pinto) regarding the teaching of Paul VI, John Paul II, or Benedict XVI on marriage and procreation (which Pope Bergoglio — alone among all the Roman Pontiffs in Church history — is busily attempting to undermine, as we see with the chaos designedly engendered by Amoris Laetitia, and his evident departure from the constant teaching of the Church on the intrinsic immorality and absolute permissibility of contraception).

    Just how far the papal henchmen are willing to go with this nonsense in order to justify the words and deeds of the current Pope, over and against all the others, is seen in Cardinal Schönborn’s ludicrous anecdote about an encounter he had with a Latin American hours before the conclave of 2013:

    The Cardinal said that just after a special Mass before the Conclave began he came across a couple from Latin America who are friends of his.

    He said: “I met them outside the Basilica and I asked: ‘You have the Holy Spirit, can you give me advice for the Conclave that will start in a few hours?’

    “And the woman whispered in my ear ‘Bergoglio’, and it hit me really: if these people say Bergoglio, that’s an indication of the Holy Spirit.”

    Oh, come on. As if the plotting and scheming of the “St. Gallen mafia” had nothing to do with Bergoglio’s election. As if the history of the papacy were not littered with intrigues regarding the election of Popes.

    Can we not think that this reduction of the Holy Ghost to a cheap deus ex machina in a humanly contrived narrative — Bergoglio the Chosen One — is, at least objectively, a sin against Him? And can we not think as well that the Church is suffering the consequences of this shameful abuse of the name of “the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father” and Who, as Our Lord Himself promised, “shall give testimony of Me” (Jn 15:26)?
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

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    Brian
    Thanks for your posts
    One question
    Why are the articles about Wuerl
    Post-dated
    Well my eyes are open now if they weren't before
    So much sin and corruption
     
  16. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Thanks, Brian. This article contains the clarification by Cardinal Ratzinger that I was looking for. That anyone would say that God put the current pope there is nonsense. It shows complete ignorance of the history of the papacy and complete disregard for facts, common sense and logic.
     
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  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

  18. BrianK

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  19. BrianK

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    I suspect they were saved or reposted from a similar website but on another software platform or provider. But I'm not certain.
     
  20. HeavenlyHosts

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    Pretty sad state of affairs
    We are going through similar situations in Baltimore archdiocese
    The current archbishop inherited situation
     

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