The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Love this, Dolours. What graces.
    Anima Christi is the Latin name.
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  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I concur.

    The earth is at the centre of the Universe. We are unique.

    WMAP microwave studies proves earth is at centre of the Universe.

    So alarmed were our atheist scientist researchers they dubbed the results the axis of evil.

    We have been uniquely redeemed by the precious blood of Jesus Christ the man God. Let that sink in every day.
  3. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Lawrence Krauss physicist

    But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun – the plane of the earth around the sun – the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I have a (huge) book on the subject, which I have yet to read, which proposes the same hypothesis.

    I admire scientists who resist standard narratives-without them, we'd never discover anything.

    I wouldn't regard physical position as a gamechanger. Our Lord didn't incarnate Himself in Rome, but in an eastern backwater of it (maybe because it was eastern, come to think of it). Since the time of Galileo, science has been on the road which has led from a wrong turn it took at that time-the over-emphasis on quantities (the measurable) with a corresponding neglect of qualities (the really important things)". Unsurprisingly, this has led to a mistaken form of thinking that eventually has come to believe that anything that cannot be measured does not exist; this way of thinking is foundational of atheism. The quantity of the physical coordinates of the planet upon which we conduct our life-drama is not nearly as important as the quality of that drama.

    This mistaken way of thinking, known as Positivism, leads to some absurd, self-negating conclusions. The process of thinking, faulty though it might be, which has derived it, is itself an unquantifiable (unmeasurable) process, which has led many of its proponents to claim that it doesn't exist, or at most represents the outcome of random, contingent electrical impulses in the brain. Strangely, these people never seem to realise that they cannot exempt themselves from this notion and fail to see that it makes their words into absolute nonsense.

    This is not to say that our planet might very well be the absolute centre of the universe. It would be typical of God to stymie our most pretensious ideas in this way. However, when it comes to mere physical quantities such as this, I find more impressive all the many physical constants, all and any of which if they were altered by even the tiniest imaginable degree, would have meant man could not exist or have come to exist. The aforementioned Father Robert Spitzer explains all that much more lucidly, needless to say, in his great apologetic work of Physics and Philosophy, 'New Proofs For The Existence Of God'.
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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Did not Einstein render the whole quantifiable phenomenon quite moot? Relativity implies that motion depends on the point of view of the observer. In other words, the answer as to which of a waltzing couple is swinging around the other is dependent on which of them you ask. In fact, Relativity and Quantum Mechanics have both earthquakingly shaken the foundations of deterministic positivism, both pointing to subjectivity and to the limits of materiality. It deserves also to be pointed out in Einstein's defense, as written in orthodox Catholic Paul Johnson's History of the Twentieth Century, that his physical Relativity had absolutely nothing to do with moral Relativism, a fashionable connection (not unlike the common, inappropriate usage of the terms of evolution) that actually greatly annoyed Einstein who, according to Johnson, had a rigid sense of morality, whether or not he always succeeded to live up to it (and I, for one, can throw no stones).

    As for the term 'Axis of Evil' that has been thrown upon the theory that questions Copernicanism (and I suspect Copernicus himself would be the first to question the over-stretched assumptions that have been taken in his name), it seems like a scurrilous scientific establishment smear.

    To paraphrase the late Richard Feynman, "I don't mind questions that can't be answered, but I greatly resent answers that can't be questioned".
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  7. AidanK

    AidanK A great sinner

    They were founded as "special forces" to counteract the reformation and they went about their work zealously. Today however, that zeal is directed toward sacred tradition
  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    That's the kind of way the Devil would think, he would not head straight for the Franciscans or the Carmelites., he would bend his forces at the Jesuits. Which is what he did. The Jesuits , the Hierarchy and his eventual aim the Papacy itself. Go for the top. Cut off the head.
  9. SteveD

    SteveD Archangels

    Every Jesuit makes this promise when he makes final vows: “I also promise that I will never strive for or ambition any prelacy or dignity outside the Society; and I will to the best of my ability never consent to my election unless I am forced to do so by obedience to him who can order me under penalty of sin.”

    Interestingly, declining to accept the papacy does not involve disobedience and anyone elected is free to refuse. The question arises, can it be accepted without breaking the vow which was made at ordination?
  10. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Archbishop Viganò responds to reports Pope will skip Midnight Mass on Christmas
    This latest news has left the faithful bewildered, scandalized and abandoned by a hierarchy that found a way to gather in the Basilica of Santa Maria in Ara Cœli for a syncretistic rite presided by Jorge Mario Bergoglio, but which does not hesitate to suspend the celebration of Holy Mass on the Night in which the Church celebrates the Birth of the Savior.
    By Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò
    Pope Francis on December 24, 2014 Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    October 23, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – On October 19, an article appeared in the Italian daily, Il Messaggero, entitled, “Christmas, the Pope’s midnight Mass is skipped over; restrictions on All Saints’ Day celebrations: the bishops impose rigor.” According to its author, Franca Giansoldati, the Midnight Mass on Christmas has not been included on the calendar of papal liturgical celebrations, while the December 25 Blessing Urbi et Orbi is indicated.

    This news, insofar as it corresponds to the actual decisions of the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff, suggests that the Holy See wants to replicate the unfortunate lockdown of past months, which deprived the faithful of the Mass and the Sacraments, even on Easter. If this were the case, it would confirm the Holy See’s intention to support the “pandemic” media narrative. Yet, according to recent statements made by the Italy’s Higher Institute of Health, the “pandemic” has a mortality rate equal to the normal seasonal flu.

    This latest news has left the faithful bewildered, scandalized and abandoned by a hierarchy that found a way to gather in the Basilica of Santa Maria in Ara Cœli for a syncretistic rite presided by Jorge Mario Bergoglio, but which does not hesitate to suspend the celebration of Holy Mass on the Night in which the Church celebrates the Birth of the Savior.

    The process of demolishing the faithful’s most beloved traditions, carried out by those to whom the Lord has entrusted the government of His Church, continues relentlessly. On the one hand, through the utopian affirmation of a Masonic brand of human fraternity that is independent of God’s paternity, and on the other, through the methodical cancellation of liturgical solemnities, beginning with Holy Easter and continuing with Christmas.

    I invite all Catholics to pray and do penance, imploring Heaven that this umpteenth outrage against the Majesty of God, the honor of the Church, and the souls of the faithful be averted. I also exhort the Shepherds of the Church to raise their voices in defense of the flock entrusted to them, reminding them of their grave responsibility before the Lord.

    + Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

    Official translation

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  11. Clare A

    Clare A Archangels

    Not sure if or how this can be relevant but I just realised that the words 'Fratelli Tutti' are Italian rather than the more typical Latin. Mit Brennender Sorge is an exception of course and there was a very good reason for it. Why name an encyclical in Italian? What's wrong with Latin? (oh, wait...) My husband is gleefully inventing 'new' papal document titles which sound sillier and sillier but are ominously almost credible. His current favourite is 'Coelestis Arcus', which sounds lovely but actually means 'rainbow'. In the current climate, one may laugh or weep.
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  12. garabandal

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  13. WTW

    WTW Archangels

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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Neither can I :eek:
    He’s my Archbishop. :eek:
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  15. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

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  16. AED

    AED Powers

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  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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  18. WTW

    WTW Archangels

    Just awful.
  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I know nothing at all about any of them. But my best guess is that if you gathered them all together you'd get a good screen shot of a truly wonderful
    night out at your most exclusive and expensive local Homosexual Night Club. I hear the swish of Scarlet wafting past.

    My best Guess? Over 70% Sodomite. Straights may get the Red Skull Cap. But they'd better be, 'Right thinking', straights.

    The wouldn't have made Fulton Sheen get past Altar Boy.

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  20. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Are they all homosexuals or do some have lady friends? We can be sure that if Pope Francis favours them the sixth Commandment isn't important to them. The best we can hope for these days is that they believe in the divinity of Jesus. I think that if I were a Bishop I would be embarrassed to be favoured by Pope Francis for fear people would consider me some kind of deviant.
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