The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    He told a story about many years ago in Rome about folks slamming doors right in his face as soon as they saw him coming. It's amazing they didn't kill him.
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  2. Sam

    Sam Powers

    Satan mocking Our lady of Guadalupe. A total disgrace.
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    This is --as usual with Fr Hardon--amazing!!! So much to digest. I am asking him to pray for all of us. The quote he cites from Blessed Cardinal Newman is chillingly prophetic.
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. This requires reparation on a big scale. But i don't think we will see it from the Vatican. Up to us. Our Lady's little ragtag army. (The "deplorables") I truly wish I could fast. I hate that I give in to food. But I am trying to get Holy Hours done.:(
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  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I’m weak in that area as well, but I have issues with drops in blood sugar. Then again, I’m not known for my virtuous choices all the time. Truth be told.
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    (y) yes I have blood sugar issues too--so food is not my best fasting choice. But I could give up my morning coffee except I never do. Sigh.
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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    What! You, too, HH!:eek:o_O:sneaky: I thought I was the only sinner on the forum!:whistle:

    Lord have Mercy!
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Definitely leaning on the Lord’s mercy!
    You are not alone .
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  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    One thing in my favor is that I am not fond of rhubarb pie :D
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  10. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Well, I used to think that way, before we moved north. With Grandma Ellie's relentless rhubarb patch growing up each year, I've learned two things:
    1) Eat it or else, and 2) Eat it, period!

    It's grown on me. I actually like it now. What would life be like without rhubarb pie!:LOL:

    I'm trying to spiritualize rhubarb, but I can't. Knowing the Lord's sense of humor, my mansion up yonder will probably have the largest rhubarb patch ever!

    Don't fear, HH, everything in heaven will taste wonderful, even rhubarb!

    Ps 144:13 ...may our garners be full, providing all manner of store; may our sheep bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our fields!
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  11. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 To Jesus + through Mary @-}--

    Rhubarb and strawberry pie is good.
  12. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    yes, I come agree...satan mockery! But no worries...Our Lady will crush his ugly head! The triumph of the Immaculate heart of Mary!
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  13. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    My sentiments exactly AED....( I’m a poor faster too:(...)
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  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    join the rest of us:eek:
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  15. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    it’s like Saturday confessions for all of us!
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :)I was thinking along those lines.:whistle:
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

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  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

  19. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

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  20. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The above two clips discuss the shortcomings of Fratelli Tutti and the one who wrote his signature at the bottom. The sadness consists in this: a fraternity with its source in Adam (think freemasonry) will ultimately fail because authentic communion can only truly exist in Christ. There was a moment of hope in this encyclical which must be highlighted; critics like Taylor Marshall should have brought it up:

    The unique value of love

    91. People can develop certain habits that might appear as moral values: fortitude, sobriety, hard work and similar virtues. Yet if the acts of the various moral virtues are to be rightly directed, one needs to take into account the extent to which they foster openness and union with others. That is made possible by the charity that God infuses. Without charity, we may perhaps possess only apparent virtues, incapable of sustaining life in common. Thus, Saint Thomas Aquinas could say – quoting Saint Augustine – that the temperance of a greedy person is in no way virtuous.[69] Saint Bonaventure, for his part, explained that the other virtues, without charity, strictly speaking do not fulfil the commandments “the way God wants them to be fulfilled”.[70]

    92. The spiritual stature of a person’s life is measured by love, which in the end remains “the criterion for the definitive decision about a human life’s worth or lack thereof”.[71] Yet some believers think that it consists in the imposition of their own ideologies upon everyone else, or in a violent defence of the truth, or in impressive demonstrations of strength. All of us, as believers, need to recognize that love takes first place: love must never be put at risk, and the greatest danger lies in failing to love (cf. 1 Cor 13:1-13).

    93. Saint Thomas Aquinas sought to describe the love made possible by God’s grace as a movement outwards towards another, whereby we consider “the beloved as somehow united to ourselves”.[72] Our affection for others makes us freely desire to seek their good. All this originates in a sense of esteem, an appreciation of the value of the other. This is ultimately the idea behind the word “charity”: those who are loved are “dear” to me; “they are considered of great value”.[73] And “the love whereby someone becomes pleasing (grata) to another is the reason why the latter bestows something on him freely (gratis)”.[74]

    94. Love, then, is more than just a series of benevolent actions. Those actions have their source in a union increasingly directed towards others, considering them of value, worthy, pleasing and beautiful apart from their physical or moral appearances. Our love for others, for who they are, moves us to seek the best for their lives. Only by cultivating this way of relating to one another will we make possible a social friendship that excludes no one and a fraternity that is open to all.

    Pope Francis, appears to be asking (para 91-93), "How are we able to progress in an authentic communion?" It is ultimately possible only by the charity that God infuses. And Francis, referring to St. Bonaventure, states: ...without charity, strictly speaking [we] do not fulfil the commandments “the way God wants them to be fulfilled.”

    It is as if the veil (see 2 Cor3) for 3 paragraphs is briefly lifted, to then only be pulled down again! :cry::cry::cry:

    14 But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

    So, the Pope teaches that without charity (which we know is conferred through Baptism), true communion can never be achieved! Sadly, he begins his return to an endorsement of a humanistic fraternity in paragraph 94, abandoning the hope of the Gospel! Is the Gospel the imposition of our own ideologies? No, it is the source of the very communion the Pope so obviously desires?

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
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