The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

  2. HeavenlyHosts

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  3. It's too bad that MM is so difficult to understand in the video.

    Here is one very early on as he is interviewed by Wm Buckley. He speaks at this time to the newly elected Pope, JPI, not knowing that he would soon meet his demise. Seems that MM had more hope in JPI to hold to the core and everlasting truths of the Faith....not bending to the masses. It would appear that just about every Pope, those considered holy and good, still were influenced by the geo-political situation of the world of their time and therefore contributed to the beginning of the more left leaning efforts.....always for the good of course!

     
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  4. Byron

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  5. garabandal

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    Who was Fr Miguel Fiorito?

    Spiritual advisor to Pope Francis & its believed his teachings have therefore shaped this Pontificate.

    He died 2005. Theee are some great researchers on this forum might be able to find details on this priest concerning his teaching & influence on Francis.
     
  6. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Signed.
    Along with 2 others.
     
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  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Considering that the diplomatic corp of the Vatican city state was the largest in the world and not by a little and also for a very great deal of time and that with that came incredible amounts of information valuable to many kings and despots all over the world I don't think it is a stretch to believe that it was a great concern of any one of its heads to be influenced both naturally for its flock simply by their office but also by outsiders (some within perhaps) for their own designs.
    I can't believe anything MM says holds unvarnished truth. He pushed the planet X lies for years on innocent people and he shares his burial place with the wife of another man. Something people have intentionally tried to conceal for years now.
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I believe that for all our differences we have more in common with Muslims by far than with those who push this filth on us and our children. At least Muslims believe and teach that Jesus was a great prophet, did not die but was taken up into heaven and they also believe in the virgin birth.

    Gee, I wonder who runs Netflix and approves of shows like this. Their agenda seems strikingly familiar.
     
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  9. Archbishop Vigano: The Advent of Anti Christ Is Inevitable

     
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  10. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Dreadful! :eek::mad: Thanks for posting this, Carol.
     
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  11. padraig

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  12. SgCatholic

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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Sigh.

    Sigh.

    Sigh.

    I 'll have to watch the Sign of the Cross stuff. I do it all the time. Don't want to upset the Pope:rolleyes:

    What am I thinking?
     
  14. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Basically he is calling PF a charlatan, I totally agree. All we can do is pray for him and trust in God.
     
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  15. garabandal

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    Came across this from Pope Francis - thought it was rather good!

    ROME - Christians must not take advantage of God’s forgiveness - selfishly repeating sin after sin - because God’s wrath for those who refuse to change their ways is just as great as his mercy, Pope Francis said in a morning homily.

    “Do not say, ‘God’s compassion is great, he will forgive my many sins’ and then I just keep going on, doing what I want,” he said Feb. 28 20019 at morning Mass in the chapel of his residence, the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

    Francis suggested Catholics spend five minutes at the end of each day examining their conscience, pinpointing their failings and working to conform their life ever more closely to Christ’s.

    In his homily, the pope reflected on the first reading from the Book of Sirach (5:1-8) in which the Jewish sage warns the faithful against being too overconfident with God, “adding sin upon sin,” and delaying conversion because “mercy and anger alike are with him; upon the wicked alights his wrath.”

    The reading prompted Francis to tell the small congregation at Mass, “Do not wait to convert yourself, to change your life, to perfect your life, to remove the weeds.”

    Wisdom, he said, is something that grows through daily use and through reflection on one’s actions and controlling one’s passions, he said.

    “Passion is not a bad thing; it is, let’s say, the ‘blood’ for carrying many good things, but if you are not able to control your passions, they will control you,” he said.

    Taking five minutes at the end of every day to reflect and to examine one’s conscience, he said, “will help us a lot to think and to not put off a change of heart and conversion to the Lord.”

    No one knows when his or her hour will come, he said, and God’s infinite mercy does not mean people can keep doing what they want.
     
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  16. FatimaPilgrim

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    That is excellent guidance from our sheperd, thank you very much for sharing :)
     
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  17. There's not much out there besides the repetitive links that pretty much say that P. Francis liked him and that he molded a group of Jesuits that included Bergoglio. This translation from the Italian seems to put forward a similar kind of generalization, make it up as you go in any current culture, that the Pope appears to have adopted.


    ABSTRACT - During the years of formation of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the "Center of Spirituality" was founded in the Argentine Province of the Society of Jesus and, from the beginning, the Boletín de Espiritualidad was the organ of diffusion of the material for reflection spiritual and theological.

    The figure of Fr. Miguel Ángel Fiorito (1916-2005) is central to this environment. His intellectual rigor and the balance of his thought represented a guide for the action of the Province in the years following Vatican II and its reception in Latin America. It was in that period that the reflection on "popular religiosity" originated which, in a span of just over 10 years, crystallized into the so-called "theology of culture". Starting from the pastoral experience made in the parishes of the interior of the country and the outskirts of Buenos Aires, the group of Jesuits led by Fr. Fiorito in fact produced a series of articles concerning the "faithful people", the value of its expressions, its hermeneutics (its conscience), its faith.

    "The theology of the people" must not consider (in an ideological and equivocal way) the people as "objects" of study, but as "subjects": it is their way of living the faith and creating a culture that must be the point of departure of thought. Fiorito presents these reflections by clarifying three fundamental nuclei: the unity of the Church, which is not divided into a "Church of the poor" against that of the rich, "nor into a" popular Church "against a" cultured Church ", because also the people it has its own culture "; a realistic view of the people of God, which excludes romantic and divisive ones; the universal concrete, whereby from the particular concreteness (of the universal Church) universality is achieved (which materialized in particular).

    In Fiorito's personal reflection on popular religiosity there are two themes: 1) The spiritual challenge is to maintain the tension between the eternal vocation of baptism and the concrete historical vocation. These are two dimensions of one's existence, that is, of having to unify one's consciousness; this "is not an individual problem, but a community and ecclesial one". 2) At the basis of pastoral action there is the task of "reading the signs of the times" among which one is precisely popular religiosity. It is not a populist vision, nor a folkloric interest in religious expressions, but rather a theologically founded "sign" of God's plan.

    The characteristics of this reflection show a first theological and pastoral nucleus that we easily recognize in Pope Francis. Even the "four principles" on which the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium is structured, are the fruit of that group reflection: Bergoglio exposed them in their first formulation already in his opening speech of the XIV provincial Congregation, on February 18, 1974.

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    MIGUEL ÁNGEL FIORITO. A reflection on popular religiosity in the environment of Jorge Mario Bergoglio

    Coinciding with the formative years of Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s, in the Argentine Province of the Society of Jesus, the «Center of spirituality» was founded and the Boletín de Espiritualidad was the organ of diffusion of material for spiritual and theological reflection from the outset. The figure of fr. Miguel Ángel Fiorito is central to this environment. His intellectual rigor and the balance of his thought represented a guide for the activities of the Province in the years following Vatican II and for its reception in Latin America. Also at that time a reflection on «popular religiosity» commenced and, in the space of just over 10 years, it was crystallized into the so-called «theology of culture». The characteristics of this reflection show a first theological and pastoral nucleus which we can easily recognize in Pope Francis.

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    Numerous writings deal with the Society of Jesus and spiritual discernment, also with attention to the ecclesial and social context of Latin America and popular religiosity.

    By reading the pages of the "Maestro Fiorito", as the Pope has always called him, we will be able to discover the origin of many of Francesco's ideas, and also the way they originally developed. The Master reflected together with a group of young Jesuits who participated in the theological dialogue of the College, starting from the pastoral experience made in the parishes inside the country and on the outskirts of Buenos Aires. The "four principles" on which the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium is structured are also the fruit of that group reflection.

    Scrolling through the numerous pages of this work means going into the heart of the Pontificate and its deep spiritual roots: Fiorito was Bergoglio's teacher more than any other, as can be verified.

    The Holy Father decided to present these writings in person, and to give his testimony about the figure p. Flowered in an event to be held, in the Hall of the General Congregation of the Society of Jesus, at 18.30 on 13 December 2019, that is, on the day of the 50th anniversary of his priestly ordination *.

    Francis has embellished the Escritos with a Preface in which he states: "The edition of the writings of Father Miguel Ángel Fiorito is a source of consolation for us who for many years have nourished ourselves with his teachings. These writings will do great good for the whole Church. "

    With the publication of this work, La Civiltà Cattolica starts celebrating its 170th birthday (1850-2020).

    The Escritos, in Spanish, will be available in digital format on the La Civiltà Cattolica website, and in paper format on Amazon.

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    Francis: Fiorito had a special sense of smell to "smell" the bad spirit; he knew how to identify his action, recognize his tics, unmask him for his bad fruits, for the aftertaste with a bad taste and the trail of desolation that he leaves as he passes. In this sense, it can be said that he was a man of struggle against a single enemy: the bad spirit, Satan, the devil, the tempter, the accuser, the enemy of our human nature. Between the flag of Christ and that of Satan, he made his personal choice for our Lord. In all the rest, he tried to discern "as much ... as" and he was a loving father with every person, patient teacher and firm opponent - if necessary - but always respectful and loyal. Never an enemy.

    https://www.laciviltacattolica.it/articolo/papa-francesco-la-prefazione-agli-escritos-di-p-fiorito/
     
  18. the times of the apparitions are ending. and it has been said that when Our Lady stops appearing, that all things will happen.

    Vicka the seer of Medjugorje said that while Our Lady is appearing, we would not need to worry. And it wasn't just her who said that. This is a familiar subject for those who study private revelation. The time of silence of Our Lady. This time has not come yet o_O
     
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  19. Dolours

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    Here's the Zenit report about the event in the video Padraig posted which was something of a Jesuit love-in. https://zenit.org/articles/fifty-ye...el-fioritos-writings-distill-spiritual-mercy/

    Fr. Fiorito was a Jesuit who wrote two books. Pope Francis mentions Satan a lot in his speech about the books and Fr. Fiorito. If Fr. Sosa (seated beside the Pope) read the books, he must have skipped any references to Satan. If the four people seated at the table are examples of the fruits of Fr. Fiorito's teachings, I won't be buying any books by or about Fr. Fiorito. May God rest his soul.
     
  20. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    I don’t want to sound negative but I think this is more of his “throw the dog a bone “ tactics, the dog being us, of course.

    Hitler loved dogs. Mao wrote poetry. That didn’t make them good guys.

    The “bone “ here is as real as the one depicted below.

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