The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Sorry, in a moment of weakness I fell into a bout of bitter sarcasm, I'll pray my rosary today for the intention that I get with the times, I'm 200 years behind you know, got to get to work catching up! Oops, there I go again :)
     
  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's like, feed the hungry dragon. The more you wold give into them the more they would want. They'll always want more. If we were to turn into witches , ride broomsticks naked they would wonder why we were not having sex with our Black Cats.

    There's no end to it.

    Better to slam the door right in their faces from the outset.

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  3. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    But they want you to be bitter, sarcastic and nasty. Then you will fit their hater category and they won't feel guilty about pushing you out. That's how they took over Anglicanism. Dr. Ashenden was being given the elbow. With the Queen in her 90's, whatever protection he had from her wouldn't have lasted past her death.

    The faithful Catholic response is to pray for them and trust that God won't let them take us completely off the rails. They look more ridiculous with every attempt to pass off their wreckovation as the work of the Holy Spirit. Cardinal Martini arranged for that statement to be published as soon as he died in 2002. These are the Popes who, if we are to believe the narrative, failed to understand the Holy Spirit for the past 200 years:

    Pius VII (1800-23)
    Leo XII (1823-29)
    Pius VIII (1829-30)
    Gregory XVI (1831-46)
    Blessed Pius IX (1846-78)
    Leo XIII (1878-1903)
    St. Pius X (1903-14)
    Benedict XV (1914-22)
    Pius XI (1922-39)
    Pius XII (1939-58)
    St. John XXIII (1958-63)
    Paul VI (1963-78)
    John Paul I (1978)
    St. John Paul II (1978-2005)
    Benedict XVI (2005-2013)

    That's 15 sub-standard Popes we have had until the Holy Spirit swooped down and gifted us Pope Francis. We must have been very, very good sheep in 2013 .
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well I have made so many hard mistakes myself down the years, I can't afford to be too hard on the poor Popes.

    I was particularly fond of Pope Pius the x1i and John the 23rd.
     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    We're all sinners, Padraig, in need of continuing conversion and mercy. I didn't pay much attention to any of the Popes before Pope John Paul 11. I really liked him and I pray for his intercession for the Church. He made some mistakes (nobody's perfect) but by all accounts he was very holy. Even his detractors admit that he was a devout, holy man. My fear now is that they will try to pin a lot of scandals on him, although there will be some limits as long as Pope Benedict is alive. It was Pope John Paul who focused on God's mercy although he doesn't get much credit for it.

    All we have to do is pray, keep ourselves in a state of grace, and receive the Sacraments. God will set us right in His time. Not everything Pope Francis says is wrong. And sometimes the reporting can be slanted against him. We are obliged to welcome the stranger, etc. and help people whenever we can. It's a pity that he has hitched the Church to the population control and lavender train even if he occasionally says something to appear pro-life and pro-traditional marriage.
     
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  6. And then again there are those nasty facts of the reality....

    Pope Francis: Migrants Are ‘Voice Crying in the Wilderness’


    ROME — Pope Francis said Saturday that migrants are among the most vulnerable and marginalized members of society, while for God no one is a “stranger.”

    In his yearly Christmas address to the Roman Curia, the pope spoke of the need for an attitude of “epochal change” to meet the needs of the present day, while calling on the Church to promote the “integral development of the human person.”

    This development takes place by “serving those who are most vulnerable and marginalized, particularly those forced to emigrate, who at the present time represent a voice crying in the wilderness of our humanity,” Francis said, with an allusion to the biblical figure of Saint John the Baptist.

    “The Church is thus called to remind everyone that it is not simply a matter of social or migration questions but of human persons, of our brothers and sisters who today are a symbol of all those discarded by the globalized society,” he said.

    The Church “is called to testify that for God no one is a ‘stranger’ or an ‘outcast,’” he continued. “She is called to awaken consciences slumbering in indifference to the reality of the Mediterranean Sea, which has become for many, all too many, a cemetery.”

    Pope Francis has made immigration a hallmark of his pontificate, urging nations to open pathways to streamline migration, which furnishes opportunities for “racial mixing.”

    On Thursday, Pope Francis presided over the installation of a migrant crucifix in the Vatican, on which he had a migrant life vest placed on the cross in place of the body of Jesus.

    “We are facing another death caused by injustice,” Francis said in his address prior to the unveiling of the crucifix. “Yes, because it is injustice that forces many migrants to leave their lands. It is injustice that forces them to cross deserts and suffer abuse and torture in detention camps. It is injustice that rejects them and makes them die at sea.”

    “I decided to exhibit this life jacket, ‘crucified’ on this cross, to remind us that we must keep our eyes open, keep our hearts open, to remind everyone of the absolute commitment to save every human life, a moral duty that unites believers and non-believers,” he said.

    In referring to migrant deaths at sea, the pope seemed to take aim at the policies of former Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, who closed Italy’s ports to curb the nation’s mass illegal immigration.

    “I thank the Lord for all those who have decided not to remain indifferent and do their utmost to help the victim, without asking too many questions about how or why the poor half-dead person wound up on their street,” Francis said. “It is not blocking their boats that the problem is solved.”

    In reality, migrant sea deaths declined significantly as a result of Mr. Salvini’s closing of Italian ports, which blocked the illegal trafficking of migrants across the sea. After Italy’s new leftist government reopened the ports, migrant sea deaths have again begun rising.

    https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/12/21/pope-francis-migrants-voice-crying-wilderness/
     
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  7. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    How can anyone STILL maintain Francis is a good and holy pope?!? E9EA3C8B-19C9-4BC6-9AE5-F7A0B4CFB896.jpeg
     
  8. AED

    AED Powers

    :(:cry::mad:
     
  9. I am sorry, but please take a note: NOTHING IMPORTANT WILL HAPPEN
    Listening to this fr Michael is like listening to a lost person riding his own prophecies and superstitions.

    if i were you i would travel to medjugorje, it may be the last year that the apparitions happen there. I say more: enjoy 2020 to visit all the Marian sanctuaries, because the times are ending.

    2020 will not be a year of great events. Do not listen to this priest and pray for not fall in histeria or tribulation fetiche
     
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It must be such a difficult thing being a Pope. I think the one thing that truly sets them apart is the prayers of the Faithful. Imagine the prayers of hundreds of millions of people everyday praying for you...many of them saints. I can't imagine.

    On the other hand any Pope would be the direct target of Satan and a vertiable army of demons.

    So its hard to place ourselves in their shoes really. In the past I was far more interested in the Spiritual Journey as saints more than anything else. It wasn;t until the presnt Pope that I became gravely concerned. I think like the vast majority of the Faithful I always had total Faith that they would do the right thing.

    Its all been a great big shock and eye opener.

    I think maybe looking back on it I was very, very naive and innocent.

    I have alwsy been happy enough with previous modern Popes. I find it hard enough to try to come to some kind of critique of Pope Francis with out thinking too deeply of previous ones. Like I say al lthis has been a huge, huge shock to the system.

    I still can't quite believe it...that all this is happening, right out in the open too.

    Jaw dropping.
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I know a very good , Holy and highly intelligent Catholic Lady who is constantly singing his praises on the Internet. I have just no idea whatsoever how this could be. I tried to reach out to her to try to understand, but she won't even engage in communication. Who knows?

    I can understand people who have some kind of fixed interest, like mainstream Catholic media or someone employed by the Church. They maybe have to watch their backs...I suppose.

    But apart from that it is a huge puzzle to me how anyone could regard Pope Francis as a Great Pope. It baffles me; it really, really does.
     
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  12. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Yep it’s called putting your foot in the door.

    Old marxist/modernistic/gramscy/allinsky tactics.



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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It's the nature of progressivism to always have to progress. It can never stand still. It's a rebellion traceable back to the original one. They never tell us their final destination.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It is a venerable communist tactic to label dissidents as mentally ill. By doing so, one removes their personhood, one annihilates their being, makes them into non-entities whose opinion doesn't even exist, to all intents and purposes.
     
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  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    You criticise another for 'tribulation fetiche(sic)', while declaring 'the times are ending'. You can't say for certain that nothing will happen no more than one can be certain that something will.
     
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  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    PofP, To be clear, I am not suggesting that anyone change their travel plans entirely especially if they are planning to visit a Marian site. In addition, I am not all sure that anything will happen in Rome either but I think that it is possible that this March 18th will be significant and I believe that it involves Pope Francis and possibly Rome. That is all, I have no details at all. I feel that something was shown to me related to this date and the pope but no details at all were given to me the rest is conjecture on my part.
     
  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I too will never accept that which the Bible does not... I will answer to God...not to those who corrupt His word. Period.
     
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

     
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  19. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    NO MATTER WHAT, WE NEED TO KEEP PRAYING...WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE ANSWER....AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER...GOD IS IN CHARGE OF HIS CHURCH. WE KNOW HOW THE BOOK ENDS ...GOD WINS.:) just keep the faith!
     
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  20. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Amen!
     

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