The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Who even does? I dont even know where to go with this.
     
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  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I forgot to mention that my internal forum called a synod to consider this - conducted in the true spirit of collegiality. Cattle are the majority residents in this country (the region considered by the synod), so I made sure that the synod reflected that. (Wouldn't want to be seen as racist, bigoted or a colonialist). Present were the spirits of freisians, charolet, jersey, aberdeen angus as well as a mixed breed bull and heifer. There was a very frank discussion, all spirits having their say. Overall, the atmosphere was cordial although the bull misunderstood the reference in the Instrumentum Laboris to cattle being scape-goated. I didn't realise that any hint of being likened to a goat is an insult to bovines.

    The conclusions of the synod, accepted by the forum were:

    Each breed of cattle agrees to be treated with a dose of immodium on a rotating system. The friesians will lead the way, taking upon themselves that penance for the first week, and the other breeds will draw lots for the succeeding weeks.

    The great spirit of the bull proposed that scientists invents a device to fit across their rear ends - the device to include a suitable air filtering system.

    The heifer was the lone dissenting spirit, insisting that he/she/it??? shouldn't be subjected to any changes in lifestyle until after the Norwegians have shut down all their oil wells.

    Pachamama will issue an official document next week approving the synod's recommendations.

    Air conditioning wasn't on the agenda because it isn't an issue in this region. Only rigorist pharisees would seek to discuss a sin they don't commit. That would be akin to butting in to matters which don't concern us. No fear of any dubia arising from this internal forum.

    So, I can put my hand on heart and explain to Father that decentralisation is truly the work of the spirit.
     
  3. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    10 German Dioceses Push for Major Changes During Upcoming ‘Synodal Path’
    According to a joint open letter released in Germany, vicars general say ‘fundamental reform’ is ‘essential’ and ask that accusations that participants are ‘lacking orthodoxy’ be avoided during the two-year synodal process.
    Edward Pentin
    Now that the Pan-Amazonian Synod is over, attention is turning to the German bishops’ “synodal path” whose latest development is the publication of a joint letter from vicars general representing 10 German archdioceses which strongly endorses the synodal process that begins Dec. 1.

    The letter, published on Tuesday, was addressed to the German bishops’ conference and the largest and most influential lay group in the country, the Central Committee of German Catholics (ZdK).

    The vicars general, representing the archbishops of Berlin, Essen, Hamburg, Hildesheim, Limburg, Magdeburg, Münster, Osnabrück, Speyer and Trier, wrote that they considered “fundamental reform of the Church in Germany to be urgently necessary, indeed essential.”

    According to Katholisch.de, a news portal administered by the German bishops’ conference, they said they wanted a Church "in which plurality and diversity are desired and permitted” as only an open and diverse church has the chance to “remain effectively present” in society. And they see the “synodal path” as means to achieve this.

    Cardinal Reinhard Marx, the president of the German bishops’ conference, has said the two-year synodal path of meetings proposes to tackle “key issues” arising from the clerical sex abuse crisis, ostensibly with the aim of helping the Church align with the times. In particular, the bishops are set to question the Catholic Church’s perennial teaching on priestly celibacy, human sexuality and the role of women in the Church.

    The ZdK, which openly supports ending priestly celibacy, ordaining women and blessing same-sex couples in churches, is to work closely with the German bishops during the process.

    In their joint letter, the vicars general wrote that the crisis in the Catholic Church and “the many critical questions” they have provoked from people and the media are a “sign of the times” and a “challenge that God gives us for us.” For this reason, and after “deep and honest conversations,” they said they are “convinced that it is God’s will to take significant steps of change.” And they added that if the Church persists with a “business as usual” approach, she cannot do justice to her mission.

    Noting that such changes can be painful, the bishops’ representatives said they hoped the “synodal path” would engender “an honest and open dialogue, characterized by mutual trust and respect and the willingness for mutual understanding.”


    But they also notably ask the bishops’ conference and the ZdK to “refrain from insinuations and even accusations of lacking ‘orthodoxy.’” They said a reliance on “God’s spirit” will help participants to take “reasonable steps” to renew the Church.

    The Spirit of God can help “to determine the appropriate ratio of Tradition and Innovation today,” they added.

    “We expect that the results of the synodal path will change our practice significantly,” the vicars general concluded. “We want, and are open to, such changes. Moreover, we are ready as administrative managers in our dioceses, together with our bishops, to implement reform decisions.”

    “Do we want to be a closed Church or one that embraces life and culture?” Bishop Franz-Josef Bode of Osnabrück said in a recent Washington Post interview on the “synodal path.”

    But critics believe the process could lead the faithful down an erroneous path that will ultimately damage the Church and, according to Cardinal Rainer Woelki of Cologne, possibly lead to “schism within the Church in Germany” and a “German national church.”

    German Cardinal Walter Brandmüller has criticized German bishops for displaying what he views as “embarrassing arrogance” by pursuing a “self-destructive, national particularism.”

    The vicars' general letter is “basically an attempt to increase public pressure,” an informed German Church source told the Register. The Pan-Amazonian Synod, which has proposed the ordination of married men and further discussion of a female diaconate, “was not an end but just a beginning,” the source predicted.

    Speaking on Monday evening, Cardinal Woelki stressed that unchangeable stipulations of the faith should not be questioned and recalled that Pope Francis did not want synods to resemble parliaments with “quasi-parliamentary votes on the faith.”

    Also recalling Pope Francis, he said the answer to renewal was primarily through evangelization rather than change of structures, and that this meant reviving our friendship with Christ and immersing ourselves in the Tradition and doctrine of the Church.

    He also warned against separating from the world Church. A choir, he said, is not about elevating individual voices.

    He said, “Shrill sounds should therefore be avoided.”

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...bB5PoQu6Pqxqbz3KNzHPYjuf0fYeLrVAExfnySaCpnI8o
     
  4. Sam

    Sam Powers

    On the other hand there are good priests. I always love this idea. Can you imagine all the places this road salt will end in?

    Richard Heilman
    20 hrs ·
    ROAD SALT EXORCISM & BLESSING

    Mission Accomplished!

    11-17-19

    This is the road salt for "liberal" Madison, WI. It is now exorcised and blessed ... in Latin! The devil hates Latin!

    I fully expect MASS REVIVALS in, what once was, "liberal" Madison!!

    Devil's goin' down!!!

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  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    The Lord wins every time. :)
     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    I LOVE Fr Heilman!!!!!
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    He reminds of you HH. Road salt!!!:):)
     
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I thought the same thing! He upped the ante! :D
    I have been sprinkling Blessed Salt from a salt shaker as I drive around my block to bless my neighborhood and drive the evil out. I do this several times a week now.;):):whistle:(y)
     
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  9. Father Martin To Hold Gay Event In Dolan’s Archdiocese

    Pro-homosexual activist Fr. James Martin yesterday announced a 2020 “LGBTQ Catholic ministry gathering” at the Jesuit Fordham University that has a speakers’ roster so packed with dissidents that one critic called it a “direct challenge” to New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

    Martin billed the June 18–20 “Outreach 2020” on Twitter as an event for Catholics “engaged in ministry with LGBT Catholics — in parishes, schools and other Catholic institutions.”

    According to Martin, keynote speakers include Bishop John Stowe, OFM of Lexington, Kentucky; Sr. Jeannine Gramick, S.L. of New Ways Ministry; Father Bryan Massingale of Fordham; Siva Subburaman of Georgetown University; and Timothy Radcliffe, O.P., former master general of the Dominican Order.

    Read more at LifeSite News

    TAKE ACTION
    Contact Cardinal Dolan and respectfully ask him to prevent this heretical conference from taking place in his Archdiocese. For extra impact, also call Cardinal Dolan at ‭(212) 371-1000‬.

    https://www.complicitclergy.com/201...ay-conference-in-cardinal-dolans-archdiocese/
     
  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you . Sent email.
     
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  11. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Fr. Martin isn't the first priest in the history of the Church to us his priesthood for evil. Judas used his friendship with Jesus to identify Him to His captors.

    All that odious priest does is draw attention from faithful Catholics being subjected to real discrimination and persecution. I wouldn't waste an email on him. His superiors will answer before God for all the evil they permit him to spread - for every single soul lost due to his malevolent twisting of the true Faith.

    Meanwhile, this video was posted to Edward Pentin's twitter feed. Police and what look like an armed militia preventing people from going to Mass in Nicaragua. It appears that they would let the priest enter the church to say Mass but not the parishioners. This is what discrimination looks like. Fr. Martin and his uber rich, pampered lavender lobby are a blight on the face of Catholicism, as are his enabling superiors.


    I remember a time when we Catholics prayed for our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ. Now we pray for plants and what is euphemistically named the "other" which never means faithful, suffering Catholics.
     
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  12. But, meanwhile on earth, some parents would like to prevent their offspring who might attend supposed Catholic institutions of education from being influenced by such promoted speakers of question and therefore need to alert the highest authority w/ the ability to do something and who should also be of similar concern when obviously the school authorities are of no help nor honor. On hindsight it might appear to many that we are at the place we find ourselves today because those in authority were not called out at the appropriate times and only the victims were left to attempt to defend themselves alone against such powers.
     
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  13. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    The time for those parents to worry about what their offspring were being exposed to was when their children submitted applications to Jesuit universities. I find it hard to believe that there's a Catholic on the planet who is surprised that Fordham are providing a platform for Georgetown's Fr. Martin.
     
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  14. Byron

    Byron Powers

    100% agree. My husband went to Georgetown and loved it. He does not agree with the changes. But his sisters who also graduated from there will defend the school no matter what it does. They find nothing wrong with its current administration. Sad.
     
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  15. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    FRANCIS HATES AMERICA

     
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  16. Tanker

    Tanker Powers


    The PF interview where he talks about America may have been 2 years ago but the "content" is surfacing now.

    I had a gut feeling when PF came to America in 2015. He was touring a grocery store and there is a photo floating around with him pointing at a cookie aisle and saying America has so much (paraphrased). It sounded mean then and it sounds mean now. In one of his latest "speeches" he laments that we need to reorganize and rethink our food because some are obese (America????) and some are starving. Again mean.

    Yes, we are fat and comfortable in America. We have been the bearer of much evil and unrest in the world. I see it and I know this is true. Still, I believe this is the govt and not the people, as a whole. America has an over abundance but does the pontiff realize that America is extremely generous when the world needs something. The PEOPLE of America rush to help in disasters, famines, etc. The people here are good people. He over looks that. America also allows the largest immigration numbers every year, even with the limiting of the immigrants now, we let in an enormous amount.

    Ridicule and shaming no longer works on me because it is over used. Stop the Alinsky tactics and open your eyes PF, with all due respect.

    He hates that we have so much and yet he has fresh food prepared daily and a large wall around his house. He has people that clean his house and he has jets and cars and a large staff at his ready. He has security always. I don't have that.

    I know most Americans will not lie down for a NWO. We won't. Many of us will die because it is in our DNA to fight for what is right. The people, not the govt. The average American is good. The govt sucks. We are trying to clean it but it is a long road. I do not want the NWO. Will it come? Eventually but I will go down fighting it.

    Just so tired of being bashed by the left politically, Hollywood weirdos and the vicar of Christ. America helped liberate Europe from the Nazi's.....we ARE NOT Nazis ourselves. Saying it doesn't make it so. Stop already. I wonder if he even prays for America. I suppose he does but his words and actions speak another story.

    Americanism is a problem. I don't worship America but I am proud to be American. I will not follow America to hell so I try and make sure my Catholic faith is first and foremost when making a decision. But neither will I follow the pope into hell.

    Penance, penance, penance. Prayers and sacrifice. Sigh.
     
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  17. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    I completely agree, Tanker
     
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  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Like many in Latin America and elsewhere the man has been brainwashed by Marxist ideology.

    America is the great scapegoat.

    Mexico is deteriorating socially and being run by drug cartels? Blame America.

    Venezuela is a hell hole and millions of its people are fleeing? Blame America. Not failed communist policies not corruption.

    Argentina is now poor after being one of the richest countries in the world? It’s America’s fault. Not peronismo not populism not widespread corruption.

    Blame America the great satan.

    When the likes of Hugo Chavez, Peron and Fidel Castro rule the world everything will be fine and paradise will be established on earth. They may have to eliminate a few million but hey as Lenin said we’ll be happy to kill two thirds of mankind as long as the remaining third are communist.
     
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  19. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods". Heard that somewhere. Wonder Who said it.

    Ironically, it is the poorest in the US who are, I understand, the generally most obese. Not from eating too much good food, but from eating too much of the wrong food, food which does not sate the appetite and leaves one constantly hungry. It is mostly a question of ignorance and poor education, compounded by aggressive and cynical marketing. It is a problem, certainly, and suggests injustices that need to be overcome, but it is a gross simplification to describe it as simply the result of plenty.

    The Pope might be better employed asking questions of his own country, asking why it has welched on debt owed so often, in national terms a form of stealing, and investigating why a country that was once one of the wealthiest in the world has become a chronic economic basket-case. Could it have anything to do with the Peronism he seems so attached to? Is it honest to blame the economic woes of one nation on the success of another, without taking into account this nation's own responsibility?

    Does the Pope have any conception that, thanks to industrialised agriculture in the developed countries that he disapproves of, more people are being fed, and most of them quite well, than at any time in history. Glib notions of socialist justice only imply two things: virtue-signalling pharisaism and mass-starvation. As the Second Vatican Council clearly states, the Pope should not appropriate the authority of his office for matters beyond his area of responsibility.

    "Whatever is mine is yours", the Christian ideal, never translates into "whatever is yours is mine".
     
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