continued from above... THE FINAL DOCUMENT OF THE SYNOD FOR THE AMAZON… > Official text in Spanish (The official translations in the other languages are expected in the next few days). … AND THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES, WITH THE VOTES FOR AND AGAINST (181 voters, majority for approval 120) [I used google translate for the following.] ORDINATION OF MARRIED MEN TO THE PRIESTHOOD Placet 128 Non placet 41 111. We propose to establish criteria and provisions on the part of the competent authority, within the framework of “Lumen Gentium” 26, to ordain priests to suitable and recognized men of the community, who have a fruitful permanent diaconate and receive adequate training for the presbyterate, being able to have a legitimately constituted and stable family, to sustain the life of the Christian community through the preaching of the Word and the celebration of the Sacraments in the most remote areas of the Amazon region. In this regard, some spoke for a universal approach to the issue. MINISTRIES FOR MEN AND WOMEN, ON EQUAL TERMS Placet 158 Non placet 9 WOMEN DEACONS, AN HYPOTHESIS TO STUDY Placet 137 Non placet 30 103. In the multiple consultations carried out in the Amazon area, [...] the permanent diaconate was requested for women. For this reason the subject was also very present in the Synod. Already in 2016, Pope Francis had created a “Study Commission on the Diaconate of Women” which, as a Commission, reached a partial result on what the reality of the diaconate of women was like in the first centuries of the Church and its implications today. Therefore, we would like to share our experiences and reflections with the Commission and look forward to your results. OLD MINISTRIES AND NEW, FOR WOMEN Placet 160 Non placet 11 102. We ask that you review the Motu Propio de San Pablo VI, “Ministeria quedam”, so that also properly trained and prepared women can receive the ministries of the Lectorate and the Acolyte, among others to be developed. In the new evangelistic and pastoral contexts in the Amazon, where most Catholic communities are led by women, we ask that the instituted ministry of “the woman leader of the community” be created. LAITY AT THE HEAD OF THE COMMUNITIES, IN ROTATION Placet 156 Non placet 14 96. The Bishop may trust, for a specific period of time, in the absence of priests in the communities, the exercise of pastoral care of the same to an uninvested person of the priestly character, who is a member of the community. Personalism should be avoided and therefore it will be a rotating charge. A CONFERENCE OF BISHOPS OF THE AMAZON Placet 145 Non placet 22 115. We propose to create an episcopal organism that promotes synodality among the churches of the region […] to assume, from the territory of the Latin American and Caribbean Church, many of the proposals that have emerged in this Synod. A COMMISSION TO STUUDY AN “AMAZONIAN RITE” Placet 140 Non placet 29 119. The new body of the Church in the Amazon must establish a competent commission to study and discuss, according to customs and customs of the ancestral peoples, the elaboration of an Amazonian rite, which expresses the liturgical, theological, disciplinary and spiritual heritage of the Amazon. […] I could also study and propose how to enrich ecclesial rites with the way in which these peoples take care of their territory and relate to their waters. ENVIRONMENTAL SINS AND MINISTRIES OF THE ENVIRONMENT Placet 150 Non placet 13 82. We propose to define ecological sin as an action or omission against God, against others, the community and the environment. […] We also propose to create special ministries for the care of the “common house” and the promotion of integral ecology. THE INNATE “BEATITUDE” OF THE INDIGENOUS OF THE AMAZON Placet 157 Non placet 9 9. The search of the indigenous Amazonian peoples of life in abundance, is concretized in what they call the "good living", and which is fully realized in the Beatitudes. It is about living in harmony with oneself, with nature, with human beings and with the supreme being, since there is an intercommunication between the entire cosmos, where there are no exclusive or excluded, and where we can forge a project of full life to everybody. Such an understanding of life is characterized by the connectivity and harmony of relationships between water, territory and nature, community life and culture, God and the various spiritual forces. AGAINST INFANTICIDE AND EUTHANASIA, BUT WITHOUT CALLING THEM BY NAME Placet 165 Non placet 2 80. We reaffirm our commitment to defend life in its entirety from its conception to its decline and the dignity of all people. The Church has been and is next to the indigenous communities to safeguard the right to have a quiet and own life, respecting the values of their traditions, customs and cultures, the preservation of rivers and forests, which are sacred spaces, source of Life and wisdom We support the efforts of so many who bravely defend life in all its forms and stages.
I think it'll be very difficult for seminarians & those discerning to see through this, if Pope Francis signs in married priests. Perhaps it would be the call of each Vocations Director. I would presume still, once a single man is ordained, he also takes the vow of celibacy. As with the current Diaconate, a man must be married b4 their permanent Diaconate.
Reading this one can see that the RC Church has become like an NGO of the NWO ---- in other words freemasonry ideas are embedded in these synod exhortations. Jesus Christ take a back seat please!
g., It's scary. I just watched the following. I am not sure that it has been posted on the forum yet but it fits your post to a tee imho. "AMAZON: Catholic World Rejects Globalist Synod (#IamCatholicMaccabees) Published on Oct 25, 2019 Michael J. Matt discusses the real agenda of the Amazon Synod. It's not women deacons, it's not worshiping little toy idols and it has nothing to do with listening to the indigenous peoples of the Amazon. So, what's it really all about? Something so big and so evil and so ancient that it can only be described as apocalyptic. Plus, who threw the Pachamama statues into the Tiber? The answer to the biggest mystery of the Amazon Synod may surprise you. And, finally, Team Francis ceremoniously carried Pachamama back into the heart of Christendom, into the Basilica of St Peter itself, literally on the shoulders of princes of the Church. But here's the question: Who replaced Pachamama in the lives of the indigenous peoples 500 years ago when Spanish and Portuguese missionaries brought Christ to the New World? Why was the Empress of the Americas summarily ignored at the Amazon Synod? The answer has everything to do with the United Nations and the Sustainable Development Goals for our "common home"." *** Michael Matt also points out that Our Lady of Guadalupe was not at all mentioned at the synod which is quite odd given the fact that she helped to convert millions of indigenous people in the region. I keep thinking about how Cardinal Burke has a huge devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe and also that of all the apparitions of Our Lady that this particular apparition truly embodies the Woman Clothed with the Sun spoke of in Revelation 12 which many believe appeared in the heavens on September 23, 2019. In addition, I personally believe that we are in the midst of this scripture coming to fruition along with Revelation 11 and I have felt that Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Brandmueller both of whom stated that the working document of the synod was apostasy could be the two witnesses. Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us. Edited to add: I just noticed that this video was posted by Jo M on Saturday, sorry, I am not keeping up with the posts very well. Thank you Jo M for posting this. It is very good. I was a little startled by Michael Matt's closing remark to Pope Francis but I do understand his concern for the Church.
Yes Carol, I watched this yesterday. Sent it to several people, trying to impress upon them that we are now at a place where direct confrontation of Francis is the order of the day. The last few minutes of this video, especially, left me shaken, yet I cannot fault Michael Matt for being so bold. Gloves are off, now, and all Hell is breaking loose. Its after midnight in New Zealand now, so I will say "A Deus".
Malachi Martin warned years ago that this was their plan--not to destroy the Chufch but to co-opt it. So much of what he said back then is playing out now in real time.
I don't think Mr. Matt and other Traditionalists see the bigger picture. Their ready to throw the towel in and the battle has barley begun. Like to many Trad's they don't see what the prophets of the time have revealed about the purging of the church and of the world. What Pope Francis is saying and what he is doing is all part of the divine plan to unmask evil. It's not time to drop our heads, as if God has abandoned his church. It's all part of the birthing pains of the great new era of peace coming and I sense those in the traditional mass have their hearts on renewal to the days of old. It not the case. They need to focus their eye's and hearts on the day's of the new, the era of peace when the whole world and the church enter into the kingdom. It gets much much worse and if anyone has a direct line to Mr. Matt, please let him know it is all part of God's plan to vet the church and renew it for the era of peace. Do what you know will bring about the Kingdom to Come, where His will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven and suffer, like Mother Mary under the cross, because the resurrection of the church is coming.
What? Myself leaning more "trad" than not, I can assure that's not the case. We know God wins. Throwing in the towel? I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? There's nothing in it that even alludes to giving up or hanging heads. Not really sure why you are calling trads in particular here...
We can do both Fatima. Throwing in the towel for these present chaotic times, as well as, preparing for what’s to come.
What Trads are saying throw in the towel!?! They have been the ones leading this fight for the last 50 years. Trads are bulldog fighters. I think we all have a lot to thank them for. They were carrying the banner we recently picked up while most people were blissfully unaware that anything was wrong in the Church.
Throwing in the towel might refer to accepting big changes are in place to happen, brought by the Amazon Synod. I am thinking they are part of the purging, preparing for far greater changes. While in the near future it brings expected "labor pains", in the end it will play a great part of ushering in the new Era of Peace. That's my new sense, as inspired in Adoration recently.
You miss understand what I have said. If you watched Mr. Matt's video towards the end, he literally broke down in an almost hopeless gasp with Pope Francis at the helm. My point is, most traditionalists, seem to dismiss the credible prophets of our times who have clearly revealed our times of sorrow, but at the same time deliver the great hope in God's victory over the times of evil we are in. Many, do not seem to see beyond the dogmatic challenges of this time, whereas the prophets of God speak not only about the purification in progress, but the great hope that comes through it all. I have listened to Mr. Matt, Tim and Taylor, Michael Voris and others many times over, but I have yet to hear them speak to the era of peace inching our way. They seem to speak of a hopeless church, only seeing its seemingly collapse of hierarchical heresy and there is a whole other plan God is executing through it all. If this makes no sense, one only has to reread Cardinal Ratzingers 1969 prophecy where he spoke of our church loosing all of it edifices, it becomes very small, but then he says, very holy. He was not doom and gloom. He say's it will start fresh, anew again and then those who see what the believers sill have they will desire. I don't see allot of trad's speaking to the big picture that God's messengers speak to. That is my point. We are not in a hopeless period, but the ever so close era of peace. Whatever Pope Francis does or say's will not keep this time from coming, in fact he is helping to usher it in, in an unfortunate way. God wins and he has made very clear how the purification must come first. Great saints of the past, Teresa of Avila and John Bosco, Louis DeMontfort are a few that come to my mind who if they had a time to live in, it would be our time.
Given an opportunity, I would ask that priest and those like him who seem to think that they have exclusive access to the Holy Spirit, why does doctrine frighten them. That the "Holy Spirit" came well prepared and organised to a Synod rigged to get a pre-ordained result tells us all we need to know about the spirit behind it. Holy? I think not.
We must be having very different takes when we watch the same people. All I watch/listen to are trad sources and if anything all they do is go on and on about Fatima and the fight for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. I don't follow any unapproved prophecies or "prophets of our times" because I don't need to. All this has been foretold from the earliest days of the Church. Yes, Michael Matt and the others probably get exasperated from time to time, but I don't blame them. This is their job and it is what they do all day long. I get tired of it too and I can take a break whenever I want. They can't. We are supposed to be upset when we see the Church Christ founded trod underfoot by pagans. Just because He will defeat them in the end doesn't mean the journey there should be one full of smiles all the time. God is being mocked and his places of worship despoiled. I feel horrible pretty much all the time. I know God wins in the end. I know the Immaculate Heart will Triumph, but that doesn't mean it will be easy going through the meat grinder. I for one am very happy with Michael Matt, Tim and Taylor, Michael Voris and the rest. In fact, I don't know where I would be without them. Probably totally lost.
“I for one am very happy with Michael Matt, Tim and Taylor, Michael Voris and the rest. In fact, I don't know where I would be without them. Probably totally lost.” I think Voris has had the greatest effect on the masses. Even though I consider him a little arrogant. My personal opinion. He has done wonders exposing the truth. He was always a “turn off” to me but now I listen everyday. Modern saint...probably not. But part of God’s plan...absolutely. He says harsh things but they are the truth. The exposing of priests is what the Vatican should be doing. If you protect evil, you are evil. We must accept that the church has been infiltrated by evil. The priest must be exposed and removed. Thank You Michael Voris. You are a good man.
I can´t help but think this poor man was thrown under the bus by the wolves for his uncovering of financial wrongdoings.
Controversial Light Show Again Projected on Ancient Roman Churches by Rodney Pelletier • ChurchMilitant.com • October 28, 2019 21 Comments Santa Maria Sopra Minerva and Sant'Agostino used as backdrop https://www.churchmilitant.com/news...how-again-projected-on-ancient-roman-churches ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) - Sacred and ancient basilicas in Rome are again being used as backdrops for controversial light shows. Between October 25–27 the basilicas of Santa Maria sopra Minerva and Sant'Agostino were among several Roman historic buildings used as a backdrop for a light show, titled the Solid Light Festival. It's the second year the facades of these ancient basilicas were used as an attempt to turn areas of downtown Rome as "an open-air museum of digital art." The event was first held in October 2018 and Catholic journalist Edward Pentin commented "Looks like it’s becoming an annual event." They were also projected onto the Palazzo dell'Eni, one of Rome's few skyscrapers, and St. Mary and the Martyrs built in the 7th century A.D. Last year's event was also held at the basilicas. While some found the event fascinating, some Catholics on the internet called the event "extremely disturbing" and "sacrilegious." The Vatican allowed a similar light show to occur on December 8, 2015 — on the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception. Titled "Fiat Lux," or "Let there be light," images of the natural world, including animals, were projected onto St. Peter's Basilica. It was a three-hour show calling attention to Pope Francis' encyclical on the earth, Laudato Si. Organizers cite "the messages on climate and species in the encyclical 'Laudato Sí'" as the inspiration for Fiat Lux, which was intended to "call on all citizens of the world to join and celebrate a global movement to protect Our Common Home, the Earth, and all of its living creatures." The event was spearheaded by Connect4Climate, an activist campaign founded by World Bank Group — a conglomerate of social justice organizations — and the Italian Ministry of Environment.
