Read the posts again. We're Catholics, believers in Jesus Christ who told us to love our enemies, pray for our persecutors and forgive those who trespass against us. If we don't do that, we'll end up in Hell along with enemies, persecutors and trespassers. I don't know where you are but parishes here in Ireland would have to close if all Africans and Asians were barred from entering the country because that's where some of our best priests come from. I was at Mass in a Capuchin church a while ago. The priest told us that they only had one young man entering formation and he was an immigrant from India. (I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why the priest considered that to be good, but he did and his reasons made no sense to me). Very many of our Catholic politicians elected by Catholic voters wouldn't think twice about barring entry to Catholic priests from abroad, especially if a subset of immigrants could be deemed a risk because some of their number had gained a reputation as sexual abusers. Granted, you couldn't make up half of the stuff that happens here but it's foolish to pretend that Europe was a bastion of Christian morality before this huge influx of immigrants. There was a brothel on our road. The girls may have been foreigners but their clients weren't. Most of the victims of the Rotherham sex gang were girls in the care of the Council so evidently they didn't come from model homes. Most of the social workers and politicians who failed them wouldn't have been immigrants. Europe was ripe for the picking. Irish people have been on the receiving end of broad-brush discrimination in the past and we should know better than to sink to that kind of behaviour towards others. Some of my relatives had to leave England during the troubles because of the abuse their children received from their classmates. And they weren't living very far from Rotherham. Letting off steam is one thing. Outright racism or stereotyping should never be tolerated. It's dangerous, and silence in response to it can be seen as agreement with it. I only quoted part of Isaiah 3 in my previous post. Here's a link to it: https://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=29&bible_chapter=3 The part I didn't quote (verses 13 through 26) gives God's reasons for the woes to beset Israel. Have a read of it and see if anything reminds you of "Christian" Europe. Europe's decline began with Luther's revolt. Corruption in the hierarchy is often blamed by those who would rehabilitate Luther's memory but Luther was a monk who broke solemn vows and entered into a marriage with a nun who also broke her solemn vows. He re-interpreted Sacred Scripture to suit himself and his supporters, accommodating sin. Now we have corruption in our hierarchy and priests re-interpreting Sacred Scripture to suit themselves and their supporters, accommodating sin. I'm no scripture scholar but it seems to me that what's happening now in our Church has some parallels with Isaiah 5. Isaiah 7 seems to be about telling the Jews to trust in God's promise that He will not forsake them, and it seems to foretell the nativity of Jesus. What I was trying to convey in my reference to In Sinu Jesu is that, just as today's troubles began centuries ago with corruption in the priesthood and the revolt of a monk (Luther), God's rescue has begun with the renewal of the priesthood and the obedience of a monk (the author of In Sinu Jesu). As the Church goes, so goes the world. There's a danger in Ireland that we will turn to some local version of the likes of Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage but what they want is what they had before and what they had before is what led them to where they are now. Keeping all God's Commandments, abandoning divorce, artificial contraception and abortion wouldn't enter their heads. Even if it did, they wouldn't dare say so out load because they would lose nearly all their support. We need to trust in God and have patience which requires endurance and faith, and we should never hesitate to say so. God's ways are not our ways.
Like you, I have no problem with Christian immigrants, or indeed those of any other religion...bar one. Mohammedanism is a religion that has as its primary motive the overpowering and dominance of all others, and ultimately their submission to Islam, often with death being the only alternative. It is politically immiscible with all other religions and forms of politics. One must love Mohammedans too, of course, but that involves wishing for their conversion and salvation. For most European history, it was the spirit and encouragement of the Church that kept them out. Nothing has changed, except that our Church has been hijacked by syncretistic, even atheist, liberals. The Mohammedans haven't changed, not one iota.
In this video, Cardinal Burke explains what the Church teaches on immigration in general. Cdl. Burke on resisting ‘large-scale' Muslim immigration Published on May 17, 2019 ROME, May 17, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― Resisting “large-scale Muslim immigration” is “a responsible exercise of one’s patriotism," Cardinal Raymond Burke said today. The Cardinal made the remark at this afternoon’s Question and Answer session at the Rome Life Forum in Rome. The session immediately followed Burke’s address on filial piety and national patriotism. Read full report on LifeSiteNews: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdl... Cdl. Burke: It’s ‘responsible’ for Christian nations to resist ‘large-scale Muslim immigration’ ROME, May 17, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― Resisting “large-scale Muslim immigration” is “a responsible exercise of one’s patriotism," Cardinal Raymond Burke said today. The Cardinal made the remark at this afternoon’s Question and Answer session at the Rome Life Forum in Rome. The session immediately followed Burke’s address on filial piety and national patriotism. Burke had been asked, presumably apropos of Pope Francis’ refusal to grant an audience to Italy’s deputy prime minister Matteo Salvini, if a politician who resists large-scale Muslim immigration should be refused a papal blessing. The Cardinal indicated that he wouldn’t comment on papal blessings, but that he thought the “fundamental question” was regarding the morality of resisting Islamic mass migration. “I think the fundamental question here is: is someone who resists large-scale Muslim immigration committing an immoral act, and therefore should be, let’s say, denied Holy Communion or in some way recognized as a public sinner,” he said. Burke responded by saying that the Church’s teaching on immigration, which he had discussed in his speech, supported individuals who are “not able to find a way of living in their own country.” “And this is not true of immigrants who are opportunists, in particular in the case of Islam, which by its definition believes itself to be destined to rule the world, coming in large numbers to countries,” he said. “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what’s happened, for instance, in Europe, in countries like France and Germany and also here in Italy. And it’s also happening in the United States.” Burke cited a book called No Go Zones which, he said, “records places in the United States where, in fact, Muslim immigrants have set up their own legal order.” “In other words, they resist the legitimate authority of the state,” he continued. This suggests to the cardinal, then, that resisting mass immigration by Muslims into one’s country is a laudable act of patriotism. “So to be opposed to large-scale Muslim immigration is … a responsible exercise of one’s patriotism,” he said. “Yes, [some] people are true refugees. We must receive them and help them in every way, but this is not the case when you have simply a large scale immigration.” In his talk prior to the Q&A session, the Cardinal had quoted the 1992 Catholic Catechism regarding immigration, citing passages that said countries should prudently discriminate regarding migration and also outlined the duty of immigrants to respect the customs and laws of their host nations: "The Catechism of the Catholic Church then takes up the obligations of 'more prosperous nations … , to the extent that they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin,”'Burke said. "Such welcome, as is clear from the text, is not indiscriminate, for it depends on the capacity of nations to accept such refugees from their homelands and on the impossibility of the refugees to find the means to live in their homelands." Burke noted that the Catechism also says immigrants must “respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.” [Emphasis added.] *** Cdl. Sarah: Some people ‘exploit the Word of God’ to promote multiculturalism, immigration Dorothy Cummings McLean | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...loit-the-word-of-god-to-promote-multicultural WARSAW, Poland, October 27, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Cardinal Robert Sarah has affirmed a nation’s right to distinguish between refugees and economic migrants. According to Polish newsmagazine wPolityce.pl and other Polish publications, the African cardinal supported Poland’s resistance to a certain “logic” of migration that outside forces are trying to impose on the nation. “In what manner is it possible to remove the rights of the nation to distinguish between a political or religious refugee, who must flee from his homeland, and the economic migrant, who wants to change his address without adapting himself, identifying with, and accepting the culture of the country in which he will live?” Sarah asked. “Even more so (how is this possible), if this migrant is of another religion and culture and serves as a pretext for the relativization of the absolute value which is the common good of the nation?” Sarah stated that the ideology of liberal individualism promotes a “blending” that erases the natural borders of homelands and cultures. He warned that this could lead to a ”post-national, one-dimensional world” in which “the only criteria are consumption and production.” While upholding the human dignity of every human being, Sarah stressed the rights of peoples to their own home nations: “I say again that we must work together to rebuild the nations that have fallen victim to war, corruption and injustice, but this does not mean encouraging the uprooting of peoples and the destruction of nations. Some people exploit the Word of God to justify the promotion of multiculturalism and gaily take advantage of the excuse of hospitality to justify the admission of immigrants.” [Emphasis added and could this be the annihilation of nations that Our Lady of Fatima spoke of?] Sarah made his remarks while speaking at Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński University in Warsaw this past Sunday. The cardinal was addressing the International Congress of the “Europa Christi” movement, a group dedicated to rebuilding a Christian philosophy of Europe. The conference, which took place in three Polish cities between October 19 and October 23, was attended by 40 guests from Poland and abroad, among them Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the great friend of St John Paul II. The theme of the conference was “Open the doors to Christ”. According to wPolityce, the goal of the conference was to promote the realization that Europe is a Christian legacy and that the identity of the continent was “built on Greek philosophy, Roman law, and the Gospel.” *** As I tried to state in a post above, we cannot simply say that this large-scale immigration that we have seen over the past few years in Europe and in the USA is part of our chastisement and offer ourselves up for the slaughter, in many respects. This would be irresponsible behavior and certainly not something that God would want us to do imho. I think that this scripture applies, Matthew 18:6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. In the end, we may deserve what is occurring but only God should be the judge of that not us and we need to continue to fight for our Faith.
I don't like the current situation where the demographics of sovereign nation states are being changed almost overnight due to what appears to be a deliberate strategy. Immigration is fine provided it is controlled and provided the numbers aren't excessive. We already have more than we can cope with, and it appears that "asylum" is an umbrella term covering everyone and anyone who wants to come here. There needs to be a root and branch review of how people arrived here, who brought them here, whether they were sponsored and who sponsored them, and which international organisations sent them here. We need to declare a time out on immigration until there is evidence that our system is not being strained to the limits and those who are already here have settled in and have shown that their ways are compatible with our culture. A thorough review should help in working out guidelines for a proper immigration policy which would avert the kind of social upheaval we see happening in other countries. There's no point bringing people here if they and their children can't settle in and our services can't cope with them. That's a recipe for disaster down the road. There's zero chance of any such review being undertaken. Economic migrants should be helped in their own countries if at all possible because the money spent on them would go a lot further and could help those who can't afford to pay people traffickers. The trouble is that our politicians crave the praise of the very organisations and multi-national companies foisting this demographic change on Europe, so the criteria for who gets to come here are set by people/organisations with no concern for our country or its people. That said, the immigrants who are already here aren't to blame for the lax oversight and almost complete absence of due diligence on the part of our political leaders and aid agencies. Who's to know what we would do if we were desperate enough. It's also our Christian duty to treat everyone as we would want them to treat us. We also need to be careful not to use language which can be misinterpreted to label us as xenophobes or bigots. The people behind this new-style plantation know what they're doing and we need to be careful to not let them manipulate us into using the kind of language and stereotyping which plays right into their hands. Our nation's rejection of God will have consequences. What difference does it make if the consequences are inflicted by Islamists, Atheists, Pagans or followers of a distorted version of Christianity? They're all equally capable of inflicting the worst kind of cruelty on anyone they perceive to be a threat to them.
There is less immediate danger from other non-Christian beliefs, as they are just as likely to become secularists as the rest of us. Of course, secularism will eventually become more hostile to Christianity than Islam, but it wouldn't necessarily be an imported problem. Our best bet is a flood of African Christians. They seem very devout and more resistant to political correctness than Westerners. I suppose it won't all come to a head in the lifetime of many of us on here and there's no point losing too much sleep over a situation that is beyond the influence of the common individual, with the exception of his capacity to pray. We need to go to our graves secure in the knowledge that God, Goodness and Truth triumph in the final end.
DeGaulle, I am not sure that I am supposed to hope for the following but I am going to say it anyway, hopefully the whole world gets a good kick in the Derry-aire soon and we see a huge conversion occur as predicted by several seers including St. Hildegard, a doctor of the Church. I think this would be our best bet. *** I am posting this week's World Over for those who have not seen it yet, Published on Oct 3, 2019 MOST REV. JOSEPH STRICKLAND, Bishop of Tyler, TX and MOST REV. MICHAEL SHERIDAN, Bishop of Colorado Springs, CO join us to discuss the controversy surrounding the upcoming Synod on the Amazon and the role of the Diocesan Bishop in defending the Gospel and protecting the Deposit of Faith. JEANNIE GAFFIGAN, wife, mother and along with her husband Jim Gaffigan, half of one of the most successful comedy teams in history joins us to discuss family, faith, overcoming a health crisis and her new memoir, When Life Gives You Pears. BILL MCGURN, former presidential speechwriter and now regular columnist at The Wall Street Journal joins us with analysis of the increasingly violent protests in Hong Kong and the House Democrats push for impeachment of the president. [At the very end of this episode, Raymond Arroyo also covers the story of Brandt Jean, the 18 year old whose brother was accidentally shot by an off duty female police officer, Amber Guyger. Imo the case was turned into another opportunity to cry "racism" but this young man offered a huge act of love and forgiveness to the police officer after she received her sentence of 10 years. Brandt asked the judge if he could give Amber a hug and he stated that he forgives her and wished her the best and that he loves her. He also stated that he wished that she could go free. The story was also covered in the following video in which a longer clip of the moment is included.] EWTN's Nightly News was also good last night, Published on Oct 3, 2019 On "EWTN News Nightly" tonight: Testimony begins on Capitol Hill regarding the whistleblower's complaint into the call between the President Trump and the leader of Ukraine. Chris Bedford, editor-in-chief of the Daily Caller, takes us inside the scope of the impeachment inquiry. Plus: A teenager who was shot by police gunfire at a pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong will face criminal charges. Johnny Patterson, director of Hong Kong Watch, examines why the protests have become more violent and whether the trend will continue. Also: A Church leader acknowledges criticism surrounding the upcoming Synod on the Amazon. Susanna Pinto, executive producer of EWTN News, is in Rome with a report. And a guilty verdict in Texas leads to a Christ-centered message in a courtroom.
The consequences of mass immigration might turn out to be an aspect of the kick in the 'derry-aire'. This would not be an inappropriate chastisement for our embracing of the sexual revolution here in the West. Europe's future can be seen in the Middle East, a never-ending war of all against all, with some of the bitterest conflicts being fought out between Islamic sects.
Maybe there is less immediate danger. Then again, maybe not. How long did it take for the French Revolutionaries to become a slaughter machine? The Russians were Christian and civilised before the Communists took over. So were the Germans before Hitler got control of the government. I think that down through the years more than a few countries changed almost overnight. Perhaps there were underlying problems in all those countries and it took the right spark in each case to make the whole thing explode. African Christians in particular seem to be very devout. Filipinos also manage to adapt easily to our way of life.
Look at Rwanda, Immaculee said one day they were eating their dinner peaceably and the next day they were running for their lives.
Yes, I think it can happen anywhere. Drugs are a problem here. I went to lunchtime Mass in the Augustinian church today. It's a lovely old church with beautiful stained glass windows. At the Consecration there was a ruckus in the porch and a group of young people came in, stood in a corner over to the side of the church and continued talking among themselves without lowering their voices. They were still there when I left. I've often seen what appear to be addicts shooting up or popping pills in a doorway in the line beside the church. I parked on that lane today and I'm pretty sure that the group I saw huddled in the doorway were the same noisy group who came into the church. Sometimes there are presumably homeless people warming themselves by the church's radiators on cold winter days and once or twice I have seen someone lying down on the pew. Today's weather wasn't so bad and that group seemed to be arguing among themselves. I felt sorry for the priest and hope they didn't cause a lot of hassle. I would have stayed around in case he needed help but I had pressing matters to attend to and had to leave.
DeGaulle, I think that we are in a vicious cycle. I don't blame any one thing in particular for where we are now but it has occurred to me that WWII had some huge, huge effects on society. Horrible, horrible things happen during wars; I think that we all know this. I am not trying to make any excuses for anything but with the fear of the use of atomic bombs looming over everyone's heads after the USA dropped two of them on Japan, I think that every time there was another war no matter how small this fear popped up in people's heads as it still does today. Then of course, there was the creation of other very destructive and deadly weapons which the USA used. In the Korean War, Napalm was used extensively and in the Vietnam War also along with Agent Orange. Now, we see the use of other chemical weapons in the Middle East and there are quite a few nations with nuclear weapons which I believe is still the greatest cause of fear, of course. Imo war has encouraged women to fight for their rights more and I also think that it encouraged the sexual revolution. Again, I am not making any excuses here, at all. I just often think of Our Lady of Fatima warning us of WWII. It could be that so many events that have occurred since WWII may have been prevented if the world had heeded her warnings. Of course, some of things that occurred since WWII may have occurred regardless but now we will never know. *** I don't know if you all have seen the following story, . Notre Dame students disturbed by anti-Catholic rhetoric https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...nts-disturbed-by-anti-catholic-rhetoric-81994 October 2, 2019 *** Padraig, Thank you for posting the above video. Marco Tosatti connected some dots that I hadn't occurred to me. He stated that if the pope believes that God willed other religions (regarding his signing of the Abu Dhabi document) then it only makes sense that he does not see the necessity for evangelization (in the Amazon and other places too). The following is part 2: Our Church: Reformed or Deformed Part 2 Here is an article about the roundtable from The Church Militant which includes a full transcript of Michael Voris' statement. Rome Roundtable: Catholic Experts Sound Alarm Over Current Papacy https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/rome-roundtable-catholic-experts-weigh-in-on-church-crisis October 4, 2019
Yeah; really excellent. Watching them now. Everything that's happening in the Church is totally horrible, but I have to say I'm glued to it all. Really, really interesting. It looks like the sleeping giant, the lay folk are waking up and getting themselves in a rage. The Amazon Synod may be our Pearl Harbour. The Amazon Synod, like the Pearl Harbour attack , apart from being totally evil, is fatuously stupid. The Sleeping Giant is awakening. Those fools in the Vatican have kicked it awake. The layfolk stir in a deep rage. But, then again Pope Francis and his evil crew have never stunned me with over intelligence. Just slippery political deftness, like some kind of snake.
Bring 'em on (the Africans and Filipinos). Our way of life, our civilisation, is Christian, even if the secularists are too ignorant and stupid to realise it, therefore African Christians and Catholic Filipinos fit right in. Within these Christian boundaries, diversity simply adds to the gaiety (proper meaning, please) and colour of life. Beyond these boundaries, diversity is more likely to bring conflict. Incidentally, you are probably right in asserting that I underestimate other than Islamic non-Christian religions, but they haven't arrived in the West in anything like the numbers or cohesiveness of the Mohammedans. In fairness, in the areas where there have been large congregations of Hindus and Sikhs in South Africa and parts of the UK, one hears of few problems.
THE VATICAN HAS DEFINITELY FALLEN - PAGAN TREE PLANTING/WORSHIPPING AT THE VATICAN THIS IS MUMBO JUMBO RELIGION AND NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM NOR JESUS CHRIST.
Hi everyone, here is the same video, which has now been released in High Definition , a lot easier to hear and see.
Yes, I saw that "happening" in an article on Spirit Daily today: Pope Prays ‘Our Father’ After Strange Ritual At Vatican Ecological ritual performed in Vatican gardens for pope’s tree planting ceremony Vatican City, Oct 4, 2019 / 10:30 am (CNA).- Pope Francis witnessed an indigenous performance at a tree planting ceremony in the Vatican gardens Friday, during which people held hands and bowed before carved images of pregnant women. A group of people, including Amazonians in ritual dress, as well people in lay clothes and a Franciscan brother, knelt and bowed in a circle around images of two semi-naked pregnant women in the presence of the pope and members of the curia. After witnessing the ritual, Pope Francis set aside his prepared remarks, opting instead to offer the Our Father without comment. Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni told CNA Friday that “at the end of the ceremony, the Pope decided to entrust his reflection, thoughts and words to the Prayer of the Our Father, which is in itself a message of faith, witness, repentance and hope.” The ceremony in the Vatican gardens -- organized by the Global Catholic Climate Movement, Pan-Amazonian Ecclesial Network, and the Order of Franciscan Friars Minor -- was described as a celebration of the feast of St. Francis and the opening of the Synod of bishops on the Pan-Amazon region Oct. 6-27. Participants sang and held hands while dancing in a circle around the images, in a dance resembling the “pago a la tierra,” a traditional offering to Mother Earth common among indigenous peoples in some parts of South America. No explanation was provided by the event organizers as to why the dance was performed for the Feast of St. Francis or what it symbolized. Pope Francis remained seated in a chair outside the group throughout the ceremony. A representative from the Vatican Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development said after the event that the dicastery’s officials were invited to attend the event, but neither organized nor promoted it. People carried bowls of dirt from different places around the world, each symbolizing a different issue from ecological devastation to migration. The dirt was placed around a tree from Assisi, which was planted as a “symbol of integral ecology.” After what appeared to be the offering of prayers by participants, who prostrated themselves on the grass around a blanket upon which fruit, candles, and several carved items were set, an indigenous woman approached the pope and presented him with a black ring, which appeared identical to the one she was wearing. The ring appeared to be a tucum ring -- a black ring worn in Brazil and Latin America as a sign of dedication to certain social causes, and often associated with liberation theology advocate Bishop Pedro Casaldáliga. The Vatican declined to comment on the ring, and noted that the event was organized by outside organizations. One of the statues was presented to Pope Francis, by a woman who referred to it as "Our Lady of the Amazon." The pope blessed the statue. Prior to the pope’s decision not to offer his prepared remarks, Cardinal Peter Turkson, Prefect of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development, spoke about Francis’ environmental encyclical Laudato Si. “Not only is our environment deteriorating globally, little effort is also made to safeguard the moral conditions for an authentic human ecology,” Turkson said. “God’s Word transformed ‘chaos’ at the dawn of creation into a ‘cosmos,’ an ordered world system, capable of supporting human life, and suitable to be home for man. And the lesson here is simple: ‘Chaos’ with the Word of God becomes ‘Cosmos.’ Conversely, ‘Cosmos’ without God's Word turns into ‘chaos,’” he said. This story is developing and has been updated. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ardens-for-popes-tree-planting-ceremony-60523
