The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    I like the small ship prophecy :)



     
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  2. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    “Breaking through all resistance, the new Pope steers his ship safely between the two columns and moors it to the two columns; first to the one surmounted by the Host, and then to the other, topped by the statue of the Virgin. At this point something unexpected happens. The enemy ships panic and disperse, colliding with and scuttling each other. Some auxiliary ships which had gallantly fought alongside their flagship are the first to tie up at the two columns.

    “Many others, which had fearfully kept far away from the fight, stand still, cautiously waiting until the wrecked enemy ships vanish under the waves. Then, they too head for the two columns, tie up at the swinging hooks, and ride safe and tranquil beside their flagship. A great calm now covers the sea.”​
     
  3. picadillo

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    I am praying for the best for Mark, Charlie, and the pope.

    Mark Mallett, as I have said before, is a brilliant catholic writer. His concentration is on church teachings and "mystical" teachings.

    Padraig is a gatekeeper. he has warned us on the "deconstruction" of catholicism that has existed for two thousand years. Mark Mallett has done no such thing. He is a papal cheerleader and papal spinner.
     
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  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You are right on here Fatima. (y)
    We must fight the errors without allowing personal animosity towards those who perpetrate them creep in. This is very hard to do. I totally understand the emotions people are having and I have to constantly fight them myself, but at Christians and Catholics we are called to do this.

    In some sense we have to have pity on these men who are in error. They have been diabolically deluded. In another very real sense we are to blame ourselves because it is our job to pray for these men and if our prayers had been enough the Chastisement could even have been averted entirely. It appears we have as laity have failed miserably at this. There is plenty of blame to go around to all of us.
     
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  5. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Teaming up with Charlie means this...If teaming up with a false prophet makes him one of the most 'balanced watchmen' of our times,we are in bigger trouble than we think.
     
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  6. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    Thank you Praetorian. I was not aware of this teaching. My Catholic foundation was woefully neglected. I wish this was widely shared elsewhere. Is this part of Cannon Law, do you know?
     
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  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    So, guilty by association? Guess you can put Padraig and many on the MOG forum in with "teaming up with Charlie", as they gave him a big forum on this site as well? I have no doubt that Charlie is a good practicing Catholic man. Yes, he was wrong on interpreting what he believed he was given. However, does that make everyone who gave Charlie the benefit of doubt 2 years ago a 'black eye' too? This can be and is a double edge sword. I believe many alleged prophecies that you and others on MOG have rejected will come to fruition. If/when they do, with that discredit your faith understanding? To my knowledge, Mark Mallett never endorsed Charlie's strict prophecies. He treated him like he does all alleged prophets of our time with respect. If you can, please show where in his 100's of blogs or any number of video's where Mark fully embraced Charlie's prophecies (your attached video was not one of them). I have not seen that to be the case in the several years I have read Mark's writings.
     
  8. HeavenlyHosts

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    To go along with your line of thinking, Praetorian, that we have not been praying as we ought....hmmm, let's see. The St. Michael prayers after Mass were thrown out, the devotions and novenas are hard to find, and they used to pack churches....our church interiors were dismantled. These are only some of the symptoms of how ailing our Church is after Freemasonry infiltrated. Thank God Benedict XVI re-instituted the 1962 Tridentine Latin Missal and Rite as the Extraordinary form so people could seek it if they wished.
    This is just the tip of the iceberg.
     
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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Apparently, you have not read any of Mark's blogs since AL came out. Assumptions being made only!
     
  10. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    So, guilty by association? frankly ,yes.
    I believe many alleged prophecies that you and others on MOG have rejected will come to fruition. If/when they do, will that discredit your faith understanding?Yes,of course it would,but aint gonna happen:)
     
  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Fair enough. We won't have long to wait on this. In the mean time, Francis is still our Pope and needs our prayers and sacrifices. I think, just as Pope Francis is being tested, those who oppose his papacy are being tested as well, in love. I have struggled with this myself, but I press on in prayer and fasting.
     
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  12. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I am praying for Pope Francis too.
    If Antonio Ruffini is correct after all, Pope Francis will be the one who consecrates Russia,in the end.http://motheofgod.com/threads/prophecy-on-the-next-pope.4113/
     
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  13. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes Booklady this is how the Church goes about properly maintaining Tradition. Novelties are avoided by using this process. The older teachings always takes precedence over the newer teaching if the newer teaching is contrary to the older. This is especially true for official documents released by the Papacy. There are several types of documents a Pope can release which hold different "weights". Papal Bulls, Encyclicals, Apostolic Exhortations, etc. The older trumps the newer and the higher trumps the lower.
     
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  14. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes. Sadly this is true. On top of all this how often have you heard Fatima mentioned in Church...or the First Five Saturdays...or the First Nine Fridays...Enthronements in the home, The Rosary, The Scapular, and all the other things you mentioned. I hate to say it but it is almost as if the exact prescription given us to avoid the Chastisement was hidden from us. The Rosary, Scapular, Prayer, Penance, etc. When are these mentioned in most churches? Ever?
     
  15. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Has anyone ever noticed that the "modernist" clergy almost never mention Our Lady's apparitions or Catholic prophecy at all?
    Or The Rosary, or The Scapular, or novenas, or devotions, etc.

    Yet people like Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, the various traditional groups of priests, etc. mention these things all of the time?

    Something to think about when you are wondering who is seeing the situation correctly and who is deluded.
     
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  16. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    In fairness to MM, he did later distance himself from Charlie on some crucial points, as he explains here and here.
     
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  17. BrianK

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    I honestly don't know whether he will be seen in hindsight as the next legitimate pope. As far as the next pope (after BXVI) being the one to consecrate Russia I can't see Francis as doing that - but again maybe he's not "the next pope."
     
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  18. BrianK

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    https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/02/25/pope-quietly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy/

    Pope quietly trims sanctions for sex abusers seeking mercy
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    In this Feb. 13, 2015 file photo, Pope Francis, right, talks with the head of a sex abuse advisory commission, Cardinal Sean Patrick O'Malley, of Boston, as they arrive for a special consistory in the Synod hall at the Vatican. Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a few pedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful church even to its worst offenders in ways that abuse survivors and the pope's own advisers question. (Credit: AP Photo/Andrew Medichini.)

    Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of pedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful church even to its worst offenders. One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope's clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12.
    ROME - Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of pedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and the pope’s own advisers question.

    One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. Father Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.

    The Inzoli case is one of several in which Francis overruled the advice of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and reduced a sentence that called for the priest to be defrocked, two canon lawyers and a church official told AP. Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry.

    In some cases, the priests or their high-ranking friends appealed to Francis for clemency by citing the pope’s own words about mercy in their petitions, the church official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the proceedings are confidential.

    “With all this emphasis on mercy … he is creating the environment for such initiatives,” the church official said, adding that clemency petitions were rarely granted by Pope Benedict XVI, who launched a tough crackdown during his 2005-2013 papacy and defrocked some 800 priests who raped and molested children.

    At the same time, Francis also ordered three longtime staffers at the congregation dismissed, two of whom worked for the discipline section that handles sex abuse cases, the lawyers and church official said.

    One is the head of the section and will be replaced before leaving March 31. Vatican spokesman Greg Burke said the others too will be replaced and that staffing in the office, which has a years long backlog of cases, would be strengthened after Francis recently approved hiring more officials.

    “The speed with which cases are handled is a serious matter and the Holy Father continues to encourage improvements in this area,” Burke told AP.

    He also dispelled rumors that sex-abuse cases would no longer be handled by the congregation, saying the strengthened office would handle all cases submitted.

    Burke said Francis’s emphasis on mercy applied to “even those who are guilty of heinous crimes.” He said priests who abuse are permanently removed from ministry, but are not necessarily dismissed from the clerical state, the church term for laicization or defrocking.

    “The Holy Father understands that many victims and survivors can find any sign of mercy in this area difficult,” Burke said. “But he knows that the Gospel message of mercy is ultimately a source of powerful healing and of grace.”

    St. John Paul II was long criticized for failing to respond to the abuse crisis, but ultimately he said in 2002 that “there is no place in the priesthood or religious life” for anyone who would harm the young. Francis has repeatedly proclaimed “zero tolerance” for abusive priests and in December wrote to the world’s bishops committing to take “all necessary measures” to protect them.

    But he also recently said he believed sex abusers suffer from a “disease” - a medical term used by defense lawyers to seek mitigating factors in canonical sentences.

    Marie Collins, an Irish abuse survivor and founding member of Francis’s sex-abuse advisory commission, expressed dismay that the congregation’s recommended penalties were being weakened and said abusers are never so sick that they don’t know what they’re doing.

    “All who abuse have made a conscious decision to do so,” Collins told AP. “Even those who are pedophiles, experts will tell you, are still responsible for their actions. They can resist their inclinations.”

    Victim advocates have long questioned Francis’s commitment to continuing Benedict’s tough line, given he had no experience dealing with abusive priests or their victims in his native Argentina. While Francis counts Boston’s Cardinal Sean O’Malley as his top adviser on abuse, he has also surrounded himself with cardinal advisers who botched handling abuse cases in their archdioceses.

    “They are not having zero tolerance,” said Rocio Figueroa, a former Vatican official and ex-member of the Peru-based Sodalitium Christianae Vitae, a conservative Catholic lay society rocked by sex scandals.

    The Vatican recently handed down sanctions against the group’s founder after determining that he sexually, psychologically and physically abused his recruits. His victims, however, are enraged that it took the Vatican six years to decide that the founder should be isolated, but not expelled, from the community.

    The church official stressed that to his knowledge, none of Francis’s reduced sentences had put children at risk.

    Many canon lawyers and church authorities argue that defrocking pedophiles can put society at greater risk because the church no longer exerts any control over them. They argue that keeping the men in restricted ministry, away from children, at least enables superiors to exert some degree of supervision.

    But Collins said the church must also take into account the message that reduced canonical sentences sends to both survivors and abusers.

    “While mercy is important, justice for all parties is equally important,” Collins said in an email. “If there is seen to be any weakness about proper penalties, then it might well send the wrong message to those who would abuse.”

    It can also come back to embarrass the church. Take for example the case of Inzoli, a well-connected Italian priest who was found guilty by the Vatican in 2012 of abusing young boys and ordered defrocked.

    Inzoli appealed and in 2014 Francis reduced the penalty to a lifetime of prayer, prohibiting him from celebrating Mass in public or being near children, barring him from his diocese and ordering five years of psychotherapy.

    In a statement announcing Francis’s decision to reduce the sentence, Crema Bishop Oscar Cantoni said “no misery is so profound, no sin so terrible that mercy cannot be applied.”

    In November, an Italian criminal judge showed little mercy in convicting Inzoli of abusing five children, aged 12-16, and sentencing him to four years, nine months in prison. The judge said Inzoli had a number of other victims but their cases fell outside the statute of limitations.

    Burke disclosed to AP that the Vatican recently initiated a new canonical trial against Inzoli based on “new elements” that had come to light. He declined to elaborate.

    Amid questions about how the battle against abuse was faring, Francis recently named O’Malley, who heads his sex-abuse advisory commission, as a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But it’s not clear what influence he can wield from his home base in Boston.

    Francis scrapped the commission’s proposed tribunal for bishops who botch abuse cases following legal objections from the congregation. The commission’s other major initiative - a guideline template to help dioceses develop policies to fight abuse and safeguard children - is gathering dust. The Vatican never sent the template to bishops’ conferences, as the commission had sought, or even linked it to its main abuse-resource website.
     
  19. djmoforegon

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    I have never been able to verify this, but a priest from SOLT told us that Moses permitted "divorce" or a "writ of separation" because the Jewish men were killing their wives in order to be free to marry again. So it was to save the lives of the women from violence inflicted by their husbands and to keep the souls of the husbands free of the sin of murder.

    Maybe someone has more information on this?
     
  20. Booklady

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