The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Ditto!
     
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  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    No, you couldn't make it up. It's beyond the imagination even of the likes of Dan Browne.

    Meanwhile, in one US State where "Catholic" politicians have supported the worst kind of abortion legislation, one Bishop (Paprocki) has said they are not to receive Communion while the other Bishop (Cupich) says that it would be "counter-productive" to refuse them Communion. If ever we needed proof that some of our Bishops don't believe in the Real Presence, this is it: https://www.ncregister.com/daily-ne...on-law-disagree-on-communion-for-pro-abortion

    Canonist Ed Peters had something to say about Cardinal Cupich's response: https://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/

    The elephant in the room is that Cardinal Cupich is the Metropolitan for that area, was something of a devotee of McCarrick (some might call it lapdog) and is very much a favourite of Pope Francis who, himself, has a very ambiguous (to put it mildly) attitude to Catholic advocates of abortion.

    When our hierarchy can't even agree on whether or not a person who actively promotes the slaughter of innocents should be denied Communion, which of them is speaking for the Church instituted by the Lord and giver of life?

    This is the result of a group of perverts gathering in Switzerland, devising a plan to incorporate their perversions into official Church teaching, undermining two successive valid Popes to the stage where one of them resigned and was replaced by a man of their choosing who now presents their plan as the work of the Holy Spirit. There are times that schism appears to be the lesser of two evils. What use a Magisterium when there's no discernible difference between them and the secular humanist politicians - and the mega wealthy backers, possibly of both?
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    The short answer as far as I can see it is that it will certainly be counterproductive to the bank accounts of the diocese and Vatican once those very wealthy politicians begin to withhold funds and in turn others do so as well. Not to mention how it could potentially affect the ongoing investigation by the state of Illinois. Or the potential long term affect on the ongoing tide of money from the involvement of assisting in the relocating of immigrants and refugees which is an enormous amount of money. Counterproductive indeed.

    An inquiring mind might wonder though just how it is that these lawmakers could even receive the Eucharist in the first place and not bring on themselves great suffering and condemnation as a consequence. I can only surmise that Cupich must be either confident of their lack of belief or they simply believe another gospel otherwise he would warn them as the apostle Paul did. They are publicly advocating and granting their God given authority to the breaking of a law of nature and God that is so simple to both see and understand that young children readily grasp it.

    [26] For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. [27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. [30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

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    Dear God have Mercy.
     

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  4. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Such truth spoken here, May God in his righteousness find Mercy.
     
  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Evidently Cardinal Cupich fears the wrath of politicians more than the wrath of God. So much so that he's willing to participate in sacrilege against the Body and Blood of Jesus. It appears that he doesn't consider it part of his remit to guard Catholics (not just the politicians but also their Catholic supporters) from eating and drinking damnation upon themselves. Of course, it takes belief in Transubtantiation for that to be a matter of concern.

    If you think things are bad now, there's more to come. Old Night-Night Sweety has been given some role overseeing Catholic education. That should secure plenty of Arab money for the Jesuits and their ilk teaching Islam. If they do the same to Islam as they are doing to Catholicism, we can expect to see a surge in former Muslim agnostic/atheist secular humanists. No doubt the secret sect has an Islamic version of the St. Gallen group and the Catholic Spring. It will be interesting to watch how cafeteria Islam presents itself. Did I read some report about Muslim cleric who co-signed the Abu-Dhabi document saying that he hoped to be a bridge for the Masons between the Islamic world and the West?

    Perhaps the prevailing powers are hoping for a Chinese bonanza to replace any declining revenue from the US. For all we know, there could have been a monetary clause in that Vatican-China agreement. Don't forget that McCarrick had a role there and McCarrick could smell money like a mouse smells cheese.
     
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  6. Archbishop: Voting for a Pro-Abortion Candidate Is ‘Mortal Sin’

    An Argentinean archbishop has urged the faithful not to vote for candidates or parties that support abortion, insisting that voting for them would be a “mortal sin.”

    In choosing whom to vote for in Argentina’s upcoming elections, “the abortion issue is one of the chief topics to consider,” said Archbishop Hector Aguer in the television programKeys to a Better World on Saturday. “Opting for a pro-abortion candidate or for a party that includes abortion in its platform is a mortal sin.”

    “We become accomplices if we vote for people who are going to pass a law that facilitates abortion or that legalizes this abominable crime,” said the emeritus archbishop of La Plata, adding that conscientious objection for pro-life people is under attack in Argentina.

    According to Catholic teaching, a “mortal sin” is a gravely evil action that separates a person from God and, if unrepented, is sufficient to send that person to hell.

    According to the biblical first letter of Saint John, there is a difference between deadly sins and those that do not lead to death.

    If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.

    “We cannot vote for those parties or candidates who have declared themselves in favor of abortion,” the archbishop said. “They are going to try to play dumb, of course, but we must demand that they declare their position on this issue and as soon as we know, we will decide our vote.”

    “Even if they have no ethical or religious conscience, we do,” he said.

    “It is a mortal sin to vote for a party or a candidate who supports abortion, and I will argue this with anyone, because if not, what will become of us?” he said. “This is about the life of a defenseless human being, innocent, the poorest of the poor, in this we cannot compromise.”

    The archbishop’s reflections mirrored those of Pope Francis, another Argentinean, who said last month that abortion is “never the answer,” while comparing it to the crime of hiring a hit man to kill someone.

    In his address, the pope insisted that being pro-life is not just a Catholic or Christian position, but one that appeals to justice and right reason.

    Francis also Francis denounced selective abortions, saying they stem from an inhuman “eugenic” mentality.

    https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...g-for-a-pro-abortion-candidate-is-mortal-sin/

     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Is Bill Clinton Catholic?
    Is this photoshopped? Don, yes, God have mercy, if this is true.
    Just checked. Clinton is Baptist. JFK was our only Catholic president.
     
  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Yes JFK was but that photo is not photo shopped. Clinton received communion from a RC priest in South Africa at the behest of his handlers and they made sure to take that picture for the masses. So did Reagan and his wife back in 83.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/us/president-took-communion-and-criticism.html
     
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  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    It is not accurate to say that the Archbishop's reflections mirrored those of Pope Francis. While they both call abortion murder, the Archbishop goes further and says that voting for politicians who support abortion is a mortal sin. Emma Bonino is an Italian Senator. She's also the female version of what Pope Francis would describe as a hitman. Rather than telling people not to vote for Bonino, Pope Francis sings her praises, describing her as a forgotten great. Cardinal Cupich's attitude towards abortion supporting politicians is closer to that of Pope Francis than the Argentinian Archbishop Emeritus.
     
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  10. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The consequence of spineless, but deliberate decisions by the likes of Cardinal Cupich, gives pew-sitters who agree, an excuse to not respond to the central message of Christ, "Repent and believe the Gospel!" It is one thing for a cardinal to acknowledge the tares among the wheat, it is quite another to encourage their growth!:eek:

    Lord have Mercy!
     
  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

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  12. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    There's hope for us yet. A spark has been lit in France. That makes sense because Satan had a major win with the French Revolution so it's appropriate that his defeat should begin in France.

    Here's Remnant's video about the Paris to Chartres pilgrimage. I think that EWTN had a camera there this year. If EWTN show it, more Catholics will learn about it and the number of pilgrims will increase. I wish I were young enough and fit enough to take part. While I'm happy to attend a reverent English language Mass although I wish it were a straighforward translation of the TLM, Michael Matt is such a motivational speaker, he has me considering making the effort to go to the TLM.

     
  13. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Archangels

    Its a great experience alright everybody should go, I went going the other way.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    This was inspirational. So comforting in a sort of "tough love" way.
     
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  15. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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    [It reminds me of Northern Ireland regarding the plastic bullets which maimed and killed some people there.]

    Catholic bishop speaks out in solidarity with young Hong Kong protesters
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    Bishop Ha fights to hold back tears while speaking in wake of violent clashes over extradition law.

    A bishop of the Roman Catholic Church in Hong Kong spoke out in solidarity with the mostly young people protesting a proposed extradition law in the formerly British, now Chinese, territory.

    “All we want is to live in freedom, to have guarantees for our lives, to have the freedom to which everyone is entitled and no longer live in fear,” said Auxiliary Bishop Joseph Ha Chi-shing, in a homily that turned emotional at times.

    The 60-year-old bishop, a member of the Franciscan Order, fought back tears as he spoke at the end of a day of protest that turned violent and left two people in serious condition in hospital and at least 79 injured. Protests started in early June over a proposed law that would allow fugitives to be extradited to mainland China or Taiwan.

    On Wednesday, about 5,000 riot police fired tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets at thousands of protesters as they cleared streets around the city’s Legislative Council, according to UCANews. Bishop Ha met with a group of young Catholics before a special Mass at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church.

    As translated by AsiaNews, the bishop’s homily at that Mass focused on the idealism of young people, who want only what is good for society.

    “They are rational, peaceful and moderate,” he said of protesters. “Perhaps we could say that they are naive, thinking that by bringing together so many people they can change something, put off the approval of the extradition law. … A young person should not face all this [violence]. I never thought that this could happen in Hong Kong.”

    Ha was born and reared in Hong Kong.

    “When I heard these young people sharing their stories, I saw and felt how humanity is beautiful and good,” he continued. “Despite so many injustices, humanity continues to shine. Young people help and support each other.”

    The Diocese of Hong Kong released three statements to call for the government and the public to exercise restraint and seek a solution to the dilemma through peaceful, rational channels, UCANews reported. It asked the faithful to pray for the city. Bishop Ha said he would discuss the situation with Cardinal John Tong, the apostolic administrator of Hong Kong.

    The current protests began soon after the commemoration of the 30th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre. The June 4 commemoration brought some 180,000 people to the streets of Hong Kong. Bishop Ha spoke that night to more than 1,000 Catholics at a prayer service and reflected on the importance of why such terrible events should be commemorated.

    “I found that the Beijing students 30 years ago showed us the beauty of humanity in their lives. The believed there is light in the darkness, hope in the hopeless. They believed non-violence will overcome violence,” Bishop Ha said.
     
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  16. Vatican formally opens debate on married priests in Amazon

    VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican formally opened debate Monday on letting married men be ordained as priests in remote parts of the Amazon where priests are so few that Catholics can go weeks or months without attending a Mass.

    The call for study on the proposal was contained in the working document, released Monday, for an October meeting of South American bishops on the Amazon.

    The document, prepared by the Vatican based on input from the region, affirmed that celibacy is a gift for the Catholic Church.

    But it suggested officials study “the possibility of priestly ordination for older men, preferably indigenous and respected and accepted by their communities, even if they have stable families, for the region’s most remote areas.”

    The idea of ordaining so-called “viri probati” — married men of proven virtue — has been around for decades to cope with a priest shortage and decline in vocations overall. But it has drawn fresh attention under Pope Francis, history’s first Latin American pope, thanks to his familiarity with the challenges facing the Amazon church.

    The Oct. 6-27 meeting on the sacramental and environmental needs of the Amazon will draw bishops from Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, French Guiana, Guyana, Peru, Suriname and Venezuela.

    Brazil’s bishops have long pushed for the church to consider ordaining viri probati to minister in remote parts of the Amazon where by some estimates there is one priest for every 10,000 Catholics.

    The celibacy question has been a mainstay in Catholic debate given it is a discipline, not a doctrine, and therefore can change. The church has had the tradition since the 11th century, imposed in part to spare the church the financial burdens of providing for large families and to ensure that any assets of the priest would pass to the church, not his heirs.

    Proponents of a relaxation of the rule say more men would consider a vocation to the priesthood if they could marry, a surefire fix to the decline in priests globally.

    Opponents say relaxing the rule for the Amazon will certainly fuel calls for it to be relaxed elsewhere. Already, married men can be ordained in the Eastern rite Catholic Church and married men who convert from Protestant churches can be Catholic priests.

    In addition to ordaining married men, the document called for the synod to identify “the type of official ministry that can be conferred on women.”

    It said women, who already play important roles in indigenous communities, must be guaranteed leadership roles. But it stopped short of recommending debate on whether women could be ordained as deacons.

    One of the organizers, Monsignor Fabio Fabene, said the female diaconate was essentially off the table since Francis has recently determined that the issue needs further discussion.

    Overall, the synod bishops are expected to debate a host of measures to better minister to indigenous and migrant communities in the Amazon amid deforestation and exploitative industries and competition for souls from Pentecostal churches, which are more present in the region with indigenous, local leaders.

    The Vatican’s working document acknowledged this competition, saying the Catholic Church must transition from being a church that merely visits vast regions to one that has a full-time presence with ministries, liturgies, sacraments and social services.

    It called for a church that has a more indigenous face, with local songs, dance, costumes and the Bible translated into various languages. What is needed, it said, is to essentially recover aspects of the primitive Christian church.

    https://www.apnews.com/e4d25ffce1f844028346404650da7d45



     
  17. AED

    AED Powers

    Just. UGH.
     
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  18. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Sounds like a healthy dose of ecumenicism will be mandatory.

    I had an interesting conversation recently with someone close to me who was volunteering their time through one of his church outreach programs to the local VA center. Some of you might also find this interesting.
    He told me that he was taking the Eucharist to people at the VA hospital one day a week. He is an ecumenical minister. Along with the Eucharist he was taking bibles for Catholics and also Protestants as well. He then told me that at his parish that there is a person who is not a priest or a deacon (I forgot the title) but who is trained to offer protestant worship services in their parish and he goes to the VA and offers services for the Protestants there and occasionally offers them at the church also.
     
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  19. Tanker

    Tanker Powers

    Well you know, I keeping hearing people parrot the phrase, "It doesn't matter which religion you belong to". :rolleyes:

    The ecumenism is so tiring. I am called to love everyone but my beliefs are not the same as Joe Blo down the street that goes to community church. We can find our common ground and have a delightful conversation. But in the end, I am not willing to give up my Catholicism for a wishy washy everyone is the same Faith. I am just not.

    One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    Standing ovation!!!
    Ecumenism in it's current iteration Reminds me of the NWO. No borders no rules no creeds. Just one big kumbaya.
     

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