The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Hmm, Pope Francis does protect monsters like Cardinal McCarrick and Bishop Zanchetta. We should all be sufficiently informed about McCarrick by now to know he is a monster. Bishop Zanchetta was sexually harrassing seminarians and sending selfie pornography. He had to resign because of this stuff. Later, Pope Francis rehabilitated him promoting him to oversee Vatican real estate .

    My logic and reason tell me that, while we don't have proof regarding Gustavo Vera, it wouldn't be a huge surprise that a pope who promotes sexual pervert monster clerics might also be involved in nefarious sex for money schemes.

    You all are correct, however: we don't have absolute proof yet.
     
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  2. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

     
  3. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    This was posted previously in this thread, but this is the Taylor Marshall video that discusses the situation regarding Zanchetta and the allegations regarding Gustavo Vera:

     
  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

  5. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    He hits the nail on the head-priests have been held accountable, often beyond what is naturally just, but the bishops have let themselves off the hook. From what we've been hearing, abuse of all kinds is a far from historical phenomenon.
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    Great talk on sensus fidellium about this called "where are the st. Peter damians of today"
     
  8. torrentum

    torrentum Archangels

    I’ve been listening to a lot from Taylor Marshal and Tim Gordon recently.
    I think they work really well together.
    I’ve learned volumes about the current situation in the Vatican from them and highly recommend them.
     
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  9. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    This was a sad but inspirational article on Father Lemmert. He is a hero because it sounds like he always tried to do what was right. Moreover, he found joy with the prisoners. There are excellent priests and some bishops too. Maybe one of our main objectives as things progress -- in a bad direction-- will be to support these good guys.
     
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  10. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    It seems to me that Pope Francis thinks that when he fully implements the St. Gallen agenda all the sexual abuse will fade away because the Church will accept that the 6th and 9th Commandments are only unattainable suggestions. He's more politician than pastor. He has what in political terms would be a manifesto and he won't let anyone or anything prevent him implementing it. He's a Jesuit and very many Jesuits have been in schism from the faith for many decades. Sexual morality or chastity mean nothing to modernists like them. Teilhard deChardin couldn't reconcile his beliefs with the existence of Hell and immortal punishment. Today's Jesuits found the solution - they abolished hell. But they're far too crafty to risk any connection with sex trafficking.

    Take a look at the Jesuits' European website. On the page announcing the opening of the cause for the canonisation of Fr. Arupe, they say:
    Under his leadership at the 32nd General Congregation of 1974 the Jesuits whole-heartedly embraced the spirit of Vatican II, redefining their mission as “the service of faith, of which the promotion of justice is an absolute requirement’. This led to a new description of a Jesuit: ‘What is it to be a companion of Jesus today? It is to engage, under the standard of the Cross, in the crucial struggle of our time: the struggle for faith and that struggle for justice which it includes’. Arrupe’s renewal of the Jesuits influenced many other religious orders and had a huge impact on the wider Church. For five three-year periods, he was elected Chairman of the Religious Congregations in Rome. During the 1970s Jesuits became the intellectual and spiritual heroes of Catholicism’s liberal wing, but at the same time attracted criticism.​

    They also say (bear this in mind when they bad-mouth anyone looking askance at Pope Francis):
    In 1981, Arrupe suffered a debilitating stroke and was forced to resign. Pope John Paul II appointed the Italian Jesuit Paolo Dezza, who had been his teacher, as interim leader, rather than Arrupe’s own choice. Many saw this as unwarranted papal interference and an affront to Arrupe, which caused tension between the Vatican and the order.
    Here's a link to that page: https://jesuits.eu/news/950-arrupe-canonisation-cause-launched
    Pope Francis said something about visiting Spain. Expect some announcement about Fr. Arupe on the visit. He's one "saint" I won't be praying to because I wouldn't believe anything today's Jesuits pass off as a miracle.

    They're all for population replacement in Europe. I wonder how they can reconcile this with Italy's 20% youth unemployment: https://jesuits.eu/news/858-forgotten-at-the-borders-of-europe

    Then there's Ireland where they had little or nothing to say about either the gay marriage or abortion referenda, but they have lots to say about the plight of migrants. Why would they when the government is funding their immigration service. https://jesuits.eu/news/944-intercultural-health-strategy

    They have really bought into the globalisation agenda: https://jesuits.eu/news/960-jesuit-schools-will-promote-global-citizenship
    Of course the parents of children in schools like this won't be too worried about how they will be impacted by the ever lengthening housing lists or the impact of mass immigration on their communities:
    https://clongowes.net/admissions/admissions-overview/

    Looks to me like the Jesuits have out-Masoned the Masons. They've certainly had more success implementing the masonic agenda. Power and money are their "Holy" Spirit. They'll find out soon enough that Satan is a real being and that Hell is a real place where the worm never dies.
     
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  11. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Pray!

    https://apnews.com/e733ad4aa5304d7fbb024963c6c39d00

    Pope meets with Mormon leadership in Rome to dedicate temple
    today

    Pope Francis celebrates Mass at the Basilica of Saint Sabina in Rome Wednesday, March 6, 2019. Pope Francis is marking Ash Wednesday with prayer and a solemn procession between two churches on one of ancient Rome's seven hills. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)
    VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday met with the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the first-such meeting of its kind, on the eve of the dedication of the church’s huge new temple in Rome.

    The Vatican offered no details of Francis’ audience with the church president, Russell Nelson, and other leaders. The Latter-day Saints said it was the first-ever meeting between a pope and head of their church, and said the two men discussed religious liberty, family and youth among other topics.

    “We have much in common,” Nelson tweeted afterward. “The differences in doctrine are real_and they’re important_but they’re not nearly as important as the things we have in common.”

    Nelson and the 14 elders who make up the leadership of the church, widely known as the Mormons, are in town for the dedication Sunday of their new temple. The lush complex features an oval-shaped marble house of worship crowning a hilltop and a visitor center featuring a larger-than-life marble statue of Christ surrounded by smaller statues of the apostles.

    The Latter-day Saints said the visit to Rome was the first time their entire leadership had gathered outside the U.S.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    I listened last night to an interview with malachi Martin from 1996 called The Tempter's Hour. I had heard it 20 years ago and it made sense but this time I was thunderstruck by the absolute accuracy of it. So worth listening to. Comforting in a way because he was absolutely certain Our Lady would come and fix it. Because of her promise at Fatima.
     
  13. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Yes DeGaulle,

    Our eyes are open now...and it’s hard. Figuring out where we go from here is the question. But, I don’t have any doubt that God will reveal that in time too.
    But there is no question in my mind that this rot needs unveiling and extracted. There is no way going forward that we can allow this, or look the other way ever again.

    Any clergy...or anyone guilty of these abuses needs justice. That includes liturgical abuses as well. Looks like few from the top down wants to remedy this...so it falls to the pew sitters...us.

    We cannot be complicit by our silence either. We are not judges of souls...but of actions and behaviors we are to be discriminating....obligated to
    Only a God can

    Boy, you summarized the Jesuits perfectly.

    And Pope Francis, a Jesuit, is definitely political....but he would say, “pastorial”.

    Thank you for your usual good research on this Dolours! It confirms what we’ve wittnessed throughout his pontificate. It’s worrisome to think of who will replace him given the number of like minded cardinals he has installed. This is one to be praying about without ceasing. We can only effect change if we are all praying.
    The saying that you’ll get the government you deserve is applicable here as well.
    PF is our punishment I fear.
     
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  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Omg...yes! I was listening to it recently myself...
    It’s amazing how accurate he was! Just amazing!
    I relisten to it every now and then ...and every time, it resonates even more with the times we are witnessing. Rather scary really....
     
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  15. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    What! Guess that’s the One World Order protocol....get em all lined up....
     
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  16. Of course they didn't! Thank you, Don for posting this. I find it disturbing. I wanted to look at what the 'temple' looks like and I found this video There is no cross in the temple. Also disturbing is their practice of baptizing the dead of people's ancestral family trees. Come Holy Spirit to correct the errors and comfort us. Amen.
     
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  17. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    The reason there is no cross is because Mormons believe that Catholics worship the cross. Just ask them next time they come calling.
     
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  18. Tanker

    Tanker Powers

    I read about this happening a few days ago. I find it disconcerting that the Mormons have invaded Rome. Big feather in their cap.

    I live in Arizona where there is the largest number of Mormons outside of Utah. Their churches , stakes, wards, whatever their name for it, are literally on every mile block here. I don't think too much of it but my daughter has had many, many run ins with Mormons here. She is not fond of most of them because they are always trying to convert her and make fun of her being Catholic. She told me once friends at school said she was such a nice person that it was too bad she was Catholic o_O. They told her they were going to baptize her in some crazy ceremony she can't remember the name of. She told them she had already been baptized and they said she didn't have to be there. That they would place her name and the names of her family members for baptism and then at least we could be sure of minimal level of eternity. She said she got mad inside and turned around and told them ...baptize away. She already had the mark on her soul and any further baptizing is useless, meaningless and stupid. She isn't fond of them.

    It seems like the hierarchy believes in the all religions are the same stuff. It's very dangerous.
     
  19. AED

    AED Powers

    What a brave warrior daughter. Good for her. Mormonism is I believe demonic in origin and has a lot if similarities to Masonic rituals.
     
  20. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Our Lady of Akita: "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

    Our Blessed Mother to Venerable Elena Aiello: ‘My Heart is sad for so many sufferings in an impending world in ruin. The justice of Our Father is most offended. Men live in their obstinacy of sin. The wrath of God is near. Soon the world will be afflicted with great calamities, bloody revolutions, frightful hurricanes, and the overflowing of streams and the seas’.

    ‘Cry out until the priests of God lend their ears to my voice, to advise men that the time is near at hand, and if men do not return to God with prayers and penances, the world will be overturned in a new and more terrible war. Arms most deadly will destroy peoples and nations! The dictators of the earth, specimens infernal, will demolish the churches and desecrate the Holy Eucharist, and will destroy things most dear. In this impious war, much will be destroyed of that which has been built by the hands of man’.

    Msgr. Eugene Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII:
    "I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology and Her soul. … I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past."


    "A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, 'Where have they taken Him?'" - Roche, Pie XII Devant L'Historie, p. 52-53
     

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