Well. You sure know a lot more than I do about this history! I will say, truth is more interesting than fiction....guess we can only speculate on a lot of it as many are now dead. So interesting! So much was revealed that I was not aware of. Dying to hear more. It’s so unbelievable!
How much of what is being revealed is new and how much is being re-spun to fit a narrative? The two men in the video discussed something along those lines in the context of Pope John Paul 1 being something of a fallen hero for Catholic traditionalists. That could apply in all sorts of cases, especially when the stakes are very high. McCarrick being sent to China where he had a history of staying in the State controlled seminary blows out of the water my own hope that Pope Francis promoting scandal ridden bishops was intended as a sign that the days of taking advantage of compromised clerics are over. I believe that we may have to wait until the next life before the whole truth is known.
Fact is certainly stranger than fiction. A correction to my previous post: Pope John Paul 1 was never Archbishop of Milan. He was Patriarch of Venice when he condemned Marxism as being incompatible with Catholicism. I have noticed, however, that Milan seems to pop up a lot whenever I read about big events or controversies in the Church. It was Pope Paul Vl who had been Archbishop of Milan prior to his election to the papacy in 1963. Another former Archbishop of Milan was Pope Pius X1. I think that he was Pope at the time of the "strange light in the sky" from the Fatima prophecy. Banco Ambrosiano was a Milan bank. And Cardinal Martini of St. Gallen group fame was Bishop of Milan from 1980 to 2002. There's also a Church liturgy peculiar to Milan. It's the Ambrosian rite (get's its name from St. Ambrose, a 4th century Bishop). It seems that Pope Paul V1 saved it from being scrapped after Vatican 2. I don't really know that much about that whole Banco Ambrosiano business. Although I was an adult when it was headline news, I was a young adult and didn't pay much attention to it. I think it likely that very few people still living know the whole story. What I recounted in my earlier post is the result of internet searches, some Catholic sources, some anti-Catholic sources and some old newspaper reports which are online. I'm too lazy to do all that searching again, otherwise I would post links. There are likely lots of books written on the topic but I would want to know a whole lot about the author before I would believe everything he says. Authors are as prone to bias as the rest of us. Some spin the most sensationalist line in the hope of making a quick buck, and others write books with the intention of pushing a narrative. One thing I'm sure of is that the freemasons would do nothing to help the Catholic Church and I don't believe for a minute that Pope John Paul 11 would have knowingly authorised collusion with a masonic lodge. Perhaps, unaware of the masonic links, he or others authorised certain transactions with certain individuals. If P2 was a US government outfit (and there's no proof that it was) the US Government would have been smart enough to use individuals who wouldn't have aroused suspicion in the Vatican. We Catholics tend to forget that the Vatican is second only to the US in the number of countries with which it has diplomatic missions. That makes the Catholic Church a prime target for any group with global ambitions. Overall it has probably worked out well for the Church but there's always the danger that when things go wrong, they go very, very wrong indeed.
In the grand design of the Masons I'm sure they have done plenty to "help" the Church, (as they see it) along with the US government, the communists and as you pointed out any number of groups with global ambitions. Most of them are probably the same people wearing a different mask depending on the day of the week and the goal in mind.
Reading about it now, all I can think is that the hierarchy, especially Pope Paul V1, must have been blind if they couldn't see that what was happening in Italy was what Our Lady of Fatima had warned would happen. Italy had some very shady characters in high places. To illustrate my point, read this Wikipedia page on Aldo Moro who was kidnapped and murdered by the Red Brigade in 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro Rather than consecrating Russia as Our Lady requested, the Church hierarchy seems to have chosen to get involved in politics in the hope of some kind of appeasement. Not even the landslide causing the death of about 2,000 people in 1963 clicked with them. Then, during the Moro kidnapping affair in 1978, Romano Prodi tipped off the Government on Mori's whereabouts, claiming he received the information from a deceased leader of the Christian Democrats via a ouija board during a seance!! I got the creeps reading about Romano Prodi (note the Goldman Sachs connection): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romano_Prodi . Prodi went on to be PM of Italy, President of the European Commission and a UN Special Envoy. One of the aims of the P2 masonic lodge was to gain control of Italy's news media. Silvio Berlusconi was on the list of P2 members. Berlusconi became a media tycoon in Italy and owned AC Milan football club (there's that Milan link again). He wasn't in politics during the P2 scandal but is now and has served as PM of Italy. Scandal surrounding his bunga-bunga parties damaged his political career but he's still in contention thanks to the type of electoral system in Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi Many politicians in Italy have connections with influential figures in the Church. Banco Ambrosiano went downhill once Calvil took over, and Calvi was close to Archbishop Marcinkus who seems to have had some kind of link with the US government/CIA, and Calvi was a P2 member. There has been speculation that the choice of Blackfriars Bridge for his murder was sending a message to other P2 members what would happen if they talked. Calvi's secretary is said to have committed suicide by jumping out the office window after writing a statement spilling the beans on Calvi. While all the information available to the public appears to point to P2 having been controlled by probably the CIA, one of the people indicted after the Ambrosiano scandal was an Italian socialist politician. I recently watched a talk by an exorcist in the US who said that the higher levels of freemasonry are satanists. He said he had learned that from other exorcists who presumably had had it confirmed during exorcisms. Much is reported about the 33rd degree of masonry being the highest level. I sometimes wonder whether there's an even higher level - not necessarily a 34th degree but a smaller, tighter and more powerful group overseeing and influencing all the different branches of the sect.
It's all about the Freemason's and it has been since the 16th century. Heaven's prophets have revealed as much over and again. The world sees them as the charitable men running the Chilrdren's Hospital's and the Shrine Circuses, and the funny cars in the local parades. Yet, Satan sees them as the very body that will house his Antichrist, who is in the world and church today causing all the division and confusion. Once the global collapse takes place he will become public. But, like Archbishop Sheen said, he will not be called the Antichrist, for he will be known as the humanitarian of our world crisis. He will have all the answers those in the world who are desperate to hear and follow. He will have the overwhelming majority of whats left of the world's population in his control to buy and sell via the microchip. That is for a period of 3.5 years. Few, even after the Warning, will stay faithful to God and his laws of love. But in the end, God, through his Mothers heel (Genesis 3:15) will crush his head and the Era of Peace will at last take place as our Lady of Fatima promised. Her Immaculate Heart will have Triumphed over God's adversary an the glorious Return of Jesus will be on display in His Eucharistic reign, in what Revelations 20 say's is for "1000 years" (although a figurative number its a long time). For scripture also say's "many will perish for lack of knowledge". We are a clueless generation to God's word.
Wow Dolours, There is so much here that I have never heard...or to be honest, understand. You are certainly well read...much more so than I. Your last comments about freemasonry / satanist is probably true. I think this gang is the responsible for the crisis in the Vatican. Surely it’s tenicles extend to all circles of the secular and religious world...because it is satanic. Given the current condition of both, it appears that the battle is in full force. The Fatima consecration had better get done. It was a mandate from heaven itself. Ignoring Our Lady’s request has consequences. IMHO.
In the Dr. Taylor video that you referenced here Dolorus, he and Timothy Gordon are very educated men in the faith and church history. They did discuss the fact that some misled traditional Catholics have believed that jp1 was possibly murdered because they, the traditionalist believed that jp1 would enact a traditional catholic agenda. They went on to demonstrate how wrong they were. They used quite good examples to demonstrate that he would not have instituted conservative, traditional reforms. I think they had a good handle on the many issues they discussed. ..back by evidence. Certainly, they did interject their own views, but added that they only presented arguments, not conclusions. They did not try to do anything other than present facts as their research uncovered, and offer their analysis....conceding that the topics in question regarding this issue was inconclusive.
They have no one i look at this Pope dear John Paul and i see such goodness. I remember when he was murdered. My mom was alive then and even she knew it was murder. She was not the type to ever accuse people of anything. But it seems like everyone knew and nothing was ever done about it. Very strong freemasons behind this. Will watch video later today
“Authors are as prone to bias as the rest of us” I see that, the hope is sometimes there for monetary gain or for pushing an agenda. That is exactly how I feel about the recent book on the subject of Pope Emeritus Benedict. To me it snacks of both, and I will not read it.
Yes, and what they said about Pope John Paul 1 not fitting the role of traditionalist hero made sense to me. I was pointing out that in light of what happened under subsequent papacies the story could be spun to suit another narrative. Those of a more modernist mindset could say that John Paul 1 was murdered at the behest of the CIA to pave the way for JP2 and Banco Ambrosiano being changed from a small bank for Catholics into some kind of political money laundering operation for a right wing US government. Not for a minute would I question Dr. Taylor or Timothy Gordon's credentials, but I do find it odd that they didn't mention anything at all about P2's US connections other than naming Archbishop Marcinkus. Could that be because it might be a turn-off for many of their viewers? Incidentally, when doing my internet search on the Banco Ambrosiano affair, I came across references to strange happenings at the Vatican's department which oversees the Church's property holdings. The IOR which is commonly known as the Vatican Bank is separate from the department overseeing the Church's valuable bricks and mortar assets. I could be wrong but I think that Pope Francis has recently appointed another of his lavender lobby favourites to that department.
Lots to be learned from. Malachi Martin's 1980's novel Vatican. Its all there. P1 and P2 and Calvi and Marcinkus. The whole dirty mess. The KGB and John Paul I. If he is right it is a veritable map through the Church from WWII to JPII assassination attempt. It did not foresee our current time. Beyond the scope of even Fr M. MARTIN to imagine I guess.(capitals by accident)
He was writing another book at the time of his death titled; Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church Became a Creature of the New World Order
You know Dolorus, They might not have that information. You might actually know more on this topic than they do! They invited viewers to comment negatively or positively about their content. I wished you would ...I would bet they might just look into it....I believe that they are thinking about a follow up show with audio interviews from Malachi Martin on this topic. This could be another whole can of worms being opened up. It seems to me that many of their viewers question jpII as well...as do some here at MOG....it’s pretty diverse on these matters. I think we are all questioning a lot that we had previously took for granted. The flood gates are open now...and for good reason....IMHO. Your analysis is certainly plausible...
Oh...I didn’t even know the title....interesting! Would love to have read that one! Bet we’d have learned a lot! His death was called into question as well....seems probably in light of so much we are now learning.
