D., Thanks for both of your replies, this is interesting. I am very interested in Gallicanism but I don't have the time right now to read up on it. This is what Wikipedia has on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallicanism . *** I knew that the following was coming and I'm not so sure that Pope Francis & Father James Martin really see eye to eye on the subject at hand as much as Martin twists the Pope's statements around. Father James Martin Slams Pope Francis Rodney Pelletier • December 5, 2018 • https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-james-martin-slams-pope-francis1 Claims Pope's comments on homosexual priests and religious are 'wrong and hurtful' DETROIT (ChurchMilitant.com) - Jesuit homosexualist Fr. James Martin is criticizing the Pope for calling homosexuality "fashionable." On Monday, Martin posted a tweet declaring Pope Francis' comment "wrong and hurtful," adding, "It goes against every reputable psychiatrist and, more important, the experience of LGBT people." His tweet is in response to comments Pope Francis made in an October interview released this week where he commented, "In our societies, it even seems homosexuality is fashionable. And this mentality, in some way, also influences the life of the church." Pope Francis went on to say that men and women with ingrained homosexual tendencies "should not be accepted into the ministry or consecrated life," adding, "The issue of homosexuality is a very serious issue that must be adequately discerned from the beginning with the candidates." While the Catholic Church teaches that same-sex inclinations are not sinful in itself, it teaches that the inclination is intrinsically "disordered" and that same-sex genital acts are intrinsically sinful — meaning the act is sinful no matter what and that no good can be derived from it. While Martin touts himself as a faithful priest, echoing the Pope's opinion on things like immigration and global warming, he dissents from the Church's teaching on homosexuality. In fact, he allies himself with organizations like New Ways Ministry which has specifically been condemned by the U.S. Catholic bishops and the Vatican. He has also been commanded by his Jesuit superiors to be silent on his own sexuality. Martin also discounts the testimony of people who repent and convert from the sin of homosexuality, saying they are are in "conflict" with themselves and don't live a fully "integrated" life. He also praises and promotes parish-based LGBT ministries like Out at St. Paul, a group at the Church of St. Paul the Apostle in New York. The group recently spoke of notorious homosexual predator Harvey Milk as a saint.
"I knew that the following was coming and I'm not so sure that Pope Francis & Father James Martin really see eye to eye on the subject at hand as much as Martin twists the Pope's statements around." Shocker!!! Fr. Martin twists the Pope's words to fit his agenda! He does it with the Scriptures. Why should we be surprised he does it with Pope Francis' statements?
Don't pay attention to the words you heard. They mean the exact opposite of what they say. Let me explain it to you...
I am not sure if the following was posted already. I know that Padraig posted the video but I am not sure that I saw this article posted yet. Cdl. Burke: ‘Synodality’ suggests some kind of ‘new church’ where pope’s authority is destroyed Tue Dec 4, 2018 | Bree A. Dail | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...-some-kind-of-new-church-where-popes-authorit catholic, raymond burke, synodality, youth synod LIMERICK, Ireland, (LifeSiteNews) – Cardinal Raymond Burke has come out criticizing the concept of “synodality” that was barely discussed during the recently concluded “Youth Synod,” but, nevertheless, found its way into the final document, surprising many of the Synod Fathers. “It’s become like a slogan, meant to suggest some kind of new church which is democratic and in which the authority of the Roman Pontiff is relativized and diminished—if not destroyed,” said Cardinal Burke in an exclusive interview with LifeSiteNews. “This is typical of a lot of things in the Church, today. The enthusiasts for ‘synodality’ keep talking about it, but I can’t find any definition of what it is,” he said. During Lumen Fidei’s “CatholicVoice” conference in Ireland this past weekend, the Cardinal answered questions from LifeSiteNews on topics ranging from spiritual warfare, the attack on marriage, and the controversial notion of “synodality.” When pressed on why he believed the term “synodality” was found throughout the final document from the “Youth Synod”, when the concept itself was never addressed, Burke replied: “It's typical of the synod of bishops in these last times that it's used as a kind of political tool to suddenly promote ideas that weren’t even discussed in the synod itself – and that’s not honest.” When asked if the principle of “synodality” was applied to the USCCB Conference in Baltimore, MD last month — where the Vatican asked the bishops to delay voting on two measures to address the sexual abuse crisis — the Cardinal responded: “It’s difficult to say whether it was applied or not because there is no definition of the term.” Addressing why a synod would be called, historically, Cardinal Burke explained that synods of bishops were created to reaffirm the teachings of the Church, never to dictate new doctrine. “There has existed in the Latin Church the notion of a synod—a synod was held in either a diocese or a province—or even on a national level—to find ways to teach the Catholic Faith more effectively and to promote the proper discipline in the Church. That’s basically what a synod of bishops is—that’s its definition. It’s a meeting of bishops to assist the Pope to see how to teach the Faith more effectively and how to promote a more faithful Christian life in accordance with the discipline of the Church. But now, seemingly, the term 'synodality' is being used to suggest that conferences of bishops would have Doctrinal Authority," he said, "It’s all quite confused, and I would say very dangerous. People not understanding the notion of a synod correctly could think, for instance, that the Catholic Church has now become some kind of democratic body with some kind of new constitution,” he added. Burke addressed this concept of “ecclesiastical deconstruction”—part of what some in the hierarchy have labeled the “new paradigm” -- by reaffirming the Petrine foundation of the Catholic Church. “The Catholic Church is an organic reality of grace, which comes to us from Our Lord, Himself. He constituted the Church — once and for all — the same: One Faith with the Sacraments, one discipline, one governance. These things have to, now, be made very clear,” he said. Bishop Athanasius Schneider has also raised concern about the concept of synodality, saying last month that it was being used at the Youth Synod by some high-ranking clergy to “promote their own agenda.” “Pushing through the theme of ‘synodality’ in the final document, in disregard for authentic synodal methods — since this topic was not sufficiently debated in the synod hall, and there was not enough time to read the final text, which was given to the bishops only in Italian – is a demonstration of an exasperated clericalism. Such ‘synodal’ clericalism intends to transform the life of the Church into a worldly and Protestant parliament style with continuous discussions and voting processes on matters that cannot be put to a vote,” he said.
Good luck with your efforts to make sense of Gallicanism. I read half way down the Wiki page before throwing in the towel. European history is so complicated, especially with regard to the relationship between Popes and Monarchs, that even a lifetime of study wouldn't cover it all. I'm not so sure that Fr. Martin is misinterpreting the Pope. When I saw reports of what the Pope said in the interview, I got the impression that Pope Francis was using his usual "nuanced" language to make it look like he was fully in line with Church teaching while leaving the door open for when he contradicts it in practice. "Discerning" what is meant by "ingrained" homosexual tendencies could mean anything the Head of the Seminary and the Seminarian want it to mean. Look no further than Amoris Laetitia to figure out what Pope Francis means by "discerning". Basically, it's a case of whatever you're having yourself aka the inviolability of conscience, however ill-informed or however in conflict with Church teaching.
Dolours, I had a lot of questions too but I think the majority of them were answered by the end of the video. I didn't know that the town of St Gallen is not large nor remarkable in any particular way. It seems that James Grein's, grandfather owned a business in the town of St Gallen, he apparently was a wealthy good Catholic and knew members of the hierarchy in Switzerland . As for M'Carrick's father it seems he died when M'Carrick was young and then he became friends with an uncle of James [one of the sons of the grandfather] and the grandfather sort of adopted M'Carrick into the family. Also M'Carrick was not a priest when he studied at a college at St Gallen and became friends with James' uncle. M'Carrick was introduced to many wealthy and influential people by the grandfather of James, including Bishop Spellman. When M'Carrick decided to become a priest this made the grandfather, very happy, to sort of have a priet in the family. M'Carrick was ordained when James was 2 weeks old and James was the first baby that M'Carrick baptised. James stated he is 60 years old that means he was born in 1958, the abused began when James was 11 years old in 1969 and James was abused for a further 18 years, at age 29 James got married, he also became an alcoholic. etc I think James' story is credible I believe that his grandfather was likewise innocent as far as the St Gallen mafia was concerned and also the abuse M'Carrick perpetrated; although the grandfather was probably guilty of being greedy and in some way corrupted by money, [simply because he was so rich] but that maybe just my bias opinion because I tend to believe that extreme wealth corrupts.
Fr Mark Goring: "....I'm going to work wholeheartedly to save the Church from this awful attack, and I might not succeed; my efforts might end up having been pathetic and not having done much, but guess what? at least I'll be able to say I tried. Because to not fight at this point to me is not an option." A priest after my own heart
Yes Cardinal Burke does look very tired. I see dark rings under his eyes and he seems to be lacking in sleep. Must be spending hours in prayer beseeching Our Lord and Our Lady to save the sinking barque real soon.
Oh that deadly phrase "a fully integrated life". Well guess what Fr Martin. You can live a fully integrated life in Hell. (To paraphrase Ralph Martin)
I was listening to WTOP news radio in DC on my way home from the Shrine yesterday and the commentary mentioned that Cardinal McCarrick came to the funeral for the late Pres. Bush. !
My first school was St Gall's The Swiss are so clean, so perfect, so very wealthy. It is a great place for others not sticking their noses into others goings on, especially money goings on. The Orange County of Europe. But it is pretty boring in many ways, the last good thing the Swiss invented was the cuckoo clock.
Just looked it up. That was a false rumor. https://twitter.com/taylorrmarshall?lang=en I'm not sure what happened, but I think people confused Cardinal Wuerl with Archbishop McCarrick. Cardinal Wuerl was there. (And yes I did list McCarrick's title as Archbishop because on the Church roster he is still an Archbishop in good standing) Where is that facepalm emoji?
