It is very difficult to be positive or even joyful. Jacinta, seer of Fatima always felt so sad too because of what she knew.
The Vatican’s Agreement With China Looks Even Worse Now COMMENTARY: The provisional agreement, now two months old, is being used to suppress the faithful. Nina Shea http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-vaticans-agreement-with-china-looks-even-worse-now One can judge an action by its fruit. What a disaster!!
Cardinal Muller is a saint; no doubt about it. oh Lord Jesus make him our next Pope!! Please, please, please. God bless Raymond Arroyo
Poor Fr Mark. They are going to step on him like a dune bug for telling the Truth so fearlessly. Prayers for Fr Mark.
"NO GOOD FRUITS", Maybe you didn't realize there were that many people approved of: Mass now said out loud Mass now in each native language Priest says mass facing the congregation Apostolic collegiality “Nostre Aetate “ forgiveness for the death of Jesus or cursed by God ( Jews ) Larger role for women
My friend Barry Hanratty addressed this issue with V2, check out his article: THE MIRACLE AND THE COUNCIL What Our Lady made known at Garabandal about the Second Vatican Council By Barry Hanratty Was the Second Vatican Council a good thing and much needed for our time or was it not? If we judge by what happened after the Council we would have to conclude that it was a colossal failure with thousands upon thousands of priests and religious having abandoned their vocations, an exodus of the laity from the Church in depressingly large numbers, and many of those who have stayed no longer believing in basic tenents of our Faith such as the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Added to all that, and perhaps the cause of it, has been the attempt in the name of ecumenism to change the face of Catholicism to ostensibly make it more attractive to our separated brethren, an experiment that has had just the opposite effect with a recent estimate placing the number of ex-Catholics in the United States at 30 million with many having joined Protestant Churches But everyone does not fault the Council for the fallout. Bishop R. Walker Nickless of Sioux City, South Dakota, for example, sees the problem more in the way the Council has been implemented. In a pastoral letter in the latter part of 2009, he draws attention to the distinction between "the spirit of Vatican II" under the guise of which so many sweeping changes have been made, and the authentic Council. He writes: "...It is crucial that we all grasp that the hermeneutic or interpretation of discontinuity or rupture, which many think is the settled and even official position, is not the true meaning of the Council. This interpretation sees the pre-conciliar and post-conciliar Church almost as two different churches. It sees the Second Vatican Council as a radical break with the past. There can be no split, however, between the Church and her faith before and after the Council. We must stop speaking of the "Pre-Vatican II" and "Post-Vatican II" Church, and stop seeing various characteristics of the Church as "pre" and "post" Vatican II. Instead, we must evaluate them according to their intrinsic value and pastoral effectiveness in this day and age.... The so-called `spirit' of the Council has no authoritative interpretation. It is a ghost or demon that must be exorcised if we are to proceed with the Lord's work." The Bishop goes on to exhort his priests to celebrate Mass with greater reverence, to hear confessions more frequently and to foster Eucharistic adoration and Marian devotion. This is a far cry from what was going on in the 1970's. I remember one young man in his first year of seminary in a diocese which I won't mention since the situation there may be quite different now, saying that they were not allowed to say the rosary openly nor make a thanksgiving after receiving holy Communion. Our Lady and the Council What the Blessed Virgin said about the Council at Garabandal accords with the position of Bishop Nickless (and many others), since in her appearances she both reinforced all the Church's beliefs and time-honored practices and spoke well of Vatican II. September 26, 1962, was, according to all available information, the first time the Virgin mentioned the Council at Garabandal, and the following words of Conchita in ecstasy on that occasion were transcribed by lawyer, Luis Navas Corillo, from a tape recording made by a Basque priest: "The Council, is it the greatest of all? Will it be a success? How good! That way they will know you better and you will be very happy..." Commenting on this in his book SHE WENT IN HASTE TO THE MOUNTAIN, Father Eusebio Garcia de Pesquera states that it would be good to know exactly what Our Lady said in those gaps between Conchita's questions, since we can't draw any firm conclusions. But when Conchita says: "How good!..." there can be little doubt that something positive from Our Lady elicited that response. Father Pesquera suggests that it might have been because a chapter in the Council's Dogmatic Constitution would be devoted to her. And while this was less than the full document called for in the original schema, it was substantial (although probably not enough for devotees of Our Lady). There is, however, another possibility not mentioned by Father Pesquera which also makes sense of Conchita's "How good...!". At the close of the third Council session on November 21, 1964, Pope Paul VI proclaimed Mary "Mother of the Church." So the Blessed Virgin was not absent from the Council, which incidentally opened on the feast of the Maternity of Mary (October 11, 1962) and closed on the east of her Immaculate Conception (December 8, 1965). But what Our Lady told Conchita on September 26, 1962, may not have had to do with either the chapter in the Constitution or her being proclaimed Mother of the Church. At four o'clock in the morning of November 18, 1962, five weeks after the opening of the Council, another recording was made of Conchita speaking in ecstasy. Here are significant excerpts: "...shall I tell...Oh?...Good! That with the Council and the Miracle the world is going to be converted?...and afterwards the world will be forgiven? Oh, that is good...What?... and I can say that with the Council and the Miracle there will be conversion.... I'll tell it after the Council and...eh? Then I want the Council to end now.... I won't say anymore, nothing more, eh?....When the Council ends I won't say a word...oh, goodbye." What we can take from this is that the Miracle will have far-reaching effects in bringing about a massive number of conversions and that Vatican II will play a leading role in facilitating the transition of so many entering the Church. Will this be the great unification also predicted at Garabandal and in many prophecies of old? While we can't infallibly say that, we are encouraged to think that something monumental will happen from what Our Lord told Conchita in her locution with Him on July 20, 1963. Here is some of the dialog: CONCHITA: Why is the Miracle going to take place? To convert many people? JESUS: To convert the whole world. CONCHITA: Will Russia be converted? JESUS: Yes, she also will be converted and thus everybody will love our Hearts. (emphasis added) Vatican II While Vatican II has been blamed by many for all the bad things that have happened over the last four decades, in going through the prophecies of saints, blesseds and other holy people that speak of the demise of the Church in our times, I have not found any that say a council would be the cause of it. Bishop Nickless, in his pastoral letter defines two interpretations of Vatican II, one of "continuity" (with the Church's ongoing tradition), and the other of "rupture" and therein lies the problem. The hermeneutic of rupture has become the dominant one and has caused confusion and division among the faithful. What's more, after four decades, it has become a tradition and so well entrenched, that the proper implementation of the Council for the entire Church cannot occur until something drastic happens. And that is exactly what has been predicted at Garabandal. Mari Loli said that as a result of the Tribulation, the Church will seem to have disappeared, and many Catholic prophecies say the same thing, that the Church will disappear for a time. When it re-emerges after the Tribulation and Warning, it will be ready for the universal and correct implementation of Vatican II, and after the great Miracle, the Council will be able to do the work it was destined to do. And if great numbers of people are going to be converted after the Miracle and enter the Church, with the Council being the reference for how to manage such a vast influx of souls, Our Lady is going to have a lot more children who will recognize her as their mother. Perhaps Conchita's "How good!..." had something to do with this. So, according to Garabandal, The Second Vatican Council's day is still to come.
If God permits our world to survive and the Church to continue it will take years to bind these wounds and sort out the so called fruits. God permitted this 100 year excruciating trial since sin became celebrated rather than resisted. Like the Israelites we are stiff necked and rebellious and we got what we deserved. But at last perhaps our long and painful babylonians captivity may be coming to an end. All is exposed now. All the corruption. All the pernicious heresies. We are--the remnant at least--are on our knees imploring God to save us. But good fruits.....? Not sure about that.
Just as we knew it would be. Imagine how many Chinese people are seeing the actions of it's secular humanist leaders and the suffering of the faithful there and wondering to themselves what is the appeal to all this? What is it these people joyfully submit themselves to suffer for? God Bless them. May the scales fall from their eyes and they come to know the Truth.
I can't disagree more with "Vatican II has been a disaster". It's implantation by many, one could say, has been a disaster, but the council itself was guided by the Holy Spirit and it was a valid council. It is no different then good and holy parents raising/teaching their children in the Catholic faith with daily rosary and all, but a child, or several of them, get caught up in the world and do no apply what they were given by the parents. This does not make the parents bad, nor does a valid council that reconfirmed the teachings on the Mass and on the Blessed Mother, make it bad, because bad Cardinals and Bishops brought in their own worldly ways since Vatican II. Following is a message given to Verne Dagenais on 6/27/07 in the book www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org Even if you don't believe in Verne as a messenger, I don't think anyone could argue with any credibility against the substance of this message. 6/27/07 Please read the next comments carefully. In my present church, there is much confusion regarding Vatican II. This is from Satan, not from me. Answer me a question: if the Holy Father calls an ecumenical council with all the bishops of the world and the Holy Spirit is guiding the church, how can that council be of Satan? It was not. My people do not understand the working of my Holy Spirit. Remember, I told you to beware of false prophets who come to you in the clothing of sheep. Satan has caused schism in my church, by allowing false interpretations to abound concerning Vatican II. My words do not change. I am going to give you a clue to share with my people. Satan hates the doctrine of the mass and the doctrines concerning my Blessed Mother. These are the two areas he has been trying to destroy. The Vatican II Council reaffirmed both of these doctrines. This council was not convened by hell, but by my Holy Spirit. A council or a Pope who destroys and denies my mass and my Blessed Mother’s privileges is from hell.
When I did missionary work in Haiti, mass was said in Creole. Since I understood ZERO Creole, I couldn’t even tell when the consecration occured! (It didn’t help that there were no bells and other liturgitical abuses.) If mass was still in Latin, I would have known EXACTLY where we were in the mass and been capable of full and active participation. Abandoning Latin did NOT improve the mass; it subjected it to the effects of the Tower of Babel. While I was practicing I had signs in my waiting and treatment rooms: Wanted: Old Latin-English Missals Patients brought in literally over a hundred old missals that I handed on to or shipped to people all over the world who were looking for these missals. I even got Latin-Polish missals. They kept these treasures tucked away in drawers and closets for DECADES, hoping they’d be of use once again some day, having NEVER requested mass in vernacular! This was foisted on a people that never wanted it or even imagined it. And the idea the faithful “couldn’t afford” Latin-English missals is laughable. I practiced in an area of coal miners and steel workers and farmers, many with a dozen children or more. They all had them, or their families had enough of them to share. And almost everyone who gave me these old missals knew the old Latin mass by heart, and understood it thoroughly, having been immersed in the Latin since infancy. I too disagree that your list of effects of VII were all necessarily good developments.
It fractionalizes the Church. It destroys the unity of the Church. It breaks the One Church into a series of national churches. We are seeing the final fruits of that now with Pope Francis' wish to see the Church loosen up its traditional oneness and let each national bishops conferences decide what to teach for themselves. Now in Poland something is a mortal sin, but if you cross the border into Germany it isn't. That is the ultimate fruit of breaking down worship among national language groups. Worship then changes over time from country to country and the way people worship changes the way they believe. Just as the old saying goes "Lex orandi, lex credendi" (The law of praying is the law of believing.) It used to be you could walk into a Church anywhere in the world and the Mass was exactly the same. That is unity. That is universality. That is the meaning of the very term Catholic in the truest sense of the word. That is precisely why the Mass was unified in the first place and all of the various changes that had crept into it on local levels were outlawed by Papal promulgation. I understand that people like the idea of the vernacular language. I like it too, but there has been much more lost than gained.
I don't think the Novus Ordo Mass was meant to "improve" the Mass, but to provide it in the language of the people it serves, so they could pray along and better understand. Although I was only 9 or 10 years old when the Latin mass in my church ended, I did not understand a thing said back then. The fact is, the Mass said by holy priests today are still reverent in the vernacular. What I miss from the Latin Mass is the beauty and reverence, that is brought. If I had a choice in my area, I would probably attend the Latin Mass, but mostly because it is very hard to participate in the poor Mass actions of my pastors from the past 30 years in my parish. Father Hardon did a beautiful mass in both the vernacular and Latin mass in the men's retreats I attended of his. There is simply no doubt that abuses came in when the vernacular came in, but it is not because of Vatican II, or it being said in the common language, but because the "smoke of Satan" entered the Church through a collection of bad priests and unholy intentions to change for the sake of change. All that being said, I know God's grace is sufficient, for those of us who have had to put up with the many abuses over the years. God will sort it all out soon enough.
Mark Mallett's latest: WAS POPE FRANCIS’ ELECTION INVALID? https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2018/11/23/was-pope-franciss-election-invalid/
Does Mark have his own thread? If not, due to the number of his articles that are linked here I think it would be a good idea. Though I dislike the way Mark presents some facts about the Pope and ignores others in a manner bordering on sycophantism, in the end, he is correct. We must accept Pope Francis as Pope. It is not up to us to decide if the election was valid. We as laity don't have all of the facts. Nor the authority to do so. The facts we do have are that Pope Francis is the man sitting on Peter's throne in the Vatican. All of the Bishops and Cardinals have told us he is Pope. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has told us he is Pope. That's about enough for me or any Catholic. To decide otherwise on our own is very shaky ground to be standing on. If we go off on our own and decide he is not Pope then even if we are right and he was never canonically elected or if there was some flaw in Pope Benedict's resignation we have still exceeded our authority.
This is very much my take on this too. These questions are way above my pay grade. He is the Pope. Unless he demonstrably and personally proclaims heresy he is the Pope. May God grant him the necessary grace to be truly holy.
From Msgr. Bux’ latest interview: "That's why I say that perhaps a thorough study of renunciation could be more useful and profitable, as well as helping to overcome problems that today seem insurmountable to us," [Bux] declared. “[Bux] suggested that from a practical point of view, "it would be easier to examine and study more accurately the question concerning the juridical validity of Pope Benedict XVI's renunciation," I.e., than explain the heresy of PF. Thus when history is written, this is the ONLY avenue the Church will have to explain papal infallibility in the face of PF’s heresies. I.e., he wasn’t pope. UNTIL then, yes, we faithful Catholics have NO choice except to accept PF as valid pope, unfortunately.
Well Vatican II did not destroy the "unity" of the Church in my opinion. SELFISHNESS, GREED, SELF GRATIFICATION, LUST IN ALL ITS FORMS, THE DEVIL'S TEMPTATIONS, IT'S PEOPLE WHO CAUSE THE LACK OF UNITY. And by your reasoning, if we reversed all the VII changes, the church would be unified and overflowed at mass each Sunday ?
