I took David's comment as actually defending the Pope from the critics who actually had to take his words out of context, in order to slant them to their own purpose. Maybe I didn't interpret said comment correctly since I sensed your reaction to be one of welcoming David back to attacking the Pope.
On the Medicine for Sinners, the Conflicting Prescriptions of Ratzinger and Bergoglio Given the instructions of the bishops of the region of Buenos Aires - approved in writing by Pope Francis - of the bishops of Malta, of still other bishops and most recently by the episcopal conference of Germany, it is evident by now that the main argument that the innovators are enlisting to justify communion for the divorced and remarried is the one that is hinted at in this evocative phrase from “Amoris Laetitia,” borrowed in turn from “Evangelii Gaudium,” the agenda-setting document of the current pontificate: "The Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak." This is a statement that is frequently associated - including in the preaching of Jorge Mario Bergoglio - with the meals that Jesus consumed with sinners. But it is also a statement that has been laid bare and criticized at its core by Benedict XVI. It is enough to compare the texts of one and the other pope in order to verify how much they are in conflict with each other. * In Pope Francis, the association between the Eucharist and Jesus’ meals with sinners is postulated in allusive form and with the calculated use of assistance from footnotes. In “Amoris Laetitia,” the key passage is in paragraph 305: "Because of forms of conditioning and mitigating factors, it is possible that in an objective situation of sin – which may not be subjectively culpable, or fully such – a person can be living in God’s grace, can love and can also grow in the life of grace and charity, while receiving the Church’s help to this end." To which is attached footnote 351: "In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments. Hence, 'I want to remind priests that the confessional must not be a torture chamber, but rather an encounter with the Lord’s mercy' (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium [24 November 2013], 44: AAS 105 [2013], 1038). I would also point out that the Eucharist 'is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak' ( ibid., 47: 1039)." If one then goes back to “Evangelii Gaudium,” here is what it states in paragraph 47: "Everyone can share in some way in the life of the Church; everyone can be part of the community, nor should the doors of the sacraments be closed for simply any reason. […] The Eucharist, although it is the fullness of sacramental life, is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak." Here as well with a reference to a footnote, number 51: "Cf. Saint Ambrose, De Sacramentis, IV, 6, 28: PL 16, 464: 'I must receive it always, so that it may always forgive my sins. If I sin continually, I must always have a remedy'; ID., op. cit., IV, 5, 24: PL 16, 463: 'Those who ate manna died; those who eat this body will obtain the forgiveness of their sins'; Saint Cyril of Alexandria, In Joh. Evang., IV, 2: PG 73, 584-585: 'I examined myself and I found myself unworthy. To those who speak thus I say: when will you be worthy? When at last you present yourself before Christ? And if your sins prevent you from drawing nigh, and you never cease to fall – for, as the Psalm says: what man knows his faults? – will you remain without partaking of the sanctification that gives life for eternity?'" * In Joseph Ratzinger as theologian and pope, instead, we find ourselves in the presence of a straightforward argumentation, aimed at proving the untenability of the association between the Eucharist and Jesus’ meals with sinners, with the results that follow from this. Here is how he develops this argumentation on pages 422-424 of volume XI of his Opera Omnia, “Theology of the Liturgy,” published in 2008 and edited by the current prefect of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, Cardinal Gerhard L. Müller: “The idea according to which the apostolic Eucharist is connected to the convivial everyday community of Jesus with his disciples [. . . ] is widely radicalized in the sense that [. . .] the Eucharist is made out to originate more or less exclusively in the meals that Jesus consumed with sinners. “In such positions, Jesus’ intention for the Eucharist is made to coincide with a rigidly Lutheran doctrine of justification, as the doctrine of grace granted to the sinner. If in the end meals with sinners are admitted as the only sure element of the tradition of the historical Jesus, the result is a reduction of all Christology and theology to this point. “But what follows from that is an idea of the Eucharist that no longer has anything in common with the tradition of the primitive Church. While Paul refers to receiving the Eucharist in a state of sin as eating and drinking ‘one’s own condemnation’ (cf. 1 Cor 11:29) and protects the Eucharist from abuse with an anathema (cf. 1 Cor 16:22), here it even appears as the essence of the Eucharist that it should be offered to all without any distinction or preliminary condition. It is interpreted as the sign of the unconditional grace of God, which as such is immediately offered even to sinners, and in fact even to nonbelievers, a position that in any case has very little in common even with the conception that Luther had of the Eucharist. “The conflict with the entire New Testament tradition of the Eucharist into which the radicalized idea falls refutes its point of departure: the Christian Eucharist was not understood on the basis of the meals that Jesus had with sinners. [. . .] One piece of evidence against the derivation of the Eucharist from the meals with sinners is its closed character, which in this follows the Passover ritual: just as the Passover supper was celebrated in the rigorously circumscribed domestic community, so also there existed for the Eucharist, from the very beginning, conditions of access that were well established; it was celebrated right from the beginning in the domestic community of Jesus Christ, so to speak, and in this way it built up the ‘Church’“ * It is evident that Ratzinger’s argumentation supports the ban on communion for the divorced and remarried, and not only for them: a ban that found clear expression in his magisterium as pope, as before in the magisterium of his predecessors. As it is also not surprising that the allusive statements of Pope Francis support interpretations in favor of communion for the divorced and remarried: interpretations that he himself has not only permitted, but explicitly approved. The conflict is there. And to judge from Ratzinger’s arguments it is not only practical, “pastoral,” but touches on the pillars of the Christian faith. http://magister.blogautore.espresso...ing-prescriptions-of-ratzinger-and-bergoglio/ My Comment : We call this difference but between us only, Liberation Theology, in other words, a derivative of communism, known in Fatima as the errors of Russia.
No I am sure David would never do such a thing. Ever. He is just about the only person on the forum who understands, who really understands what Pope Francis is about and still supports him. For the rest , if they really understood what Francis is about they would run from him shrieking in horror. But no, David understands fully and gives his whole hearted support. Remarkable.,
Fatima and Dolours your posts are frightening. The interview with Boff --well, I have no words. And Padraig I am sure that speaking out was a trial by fire and certainly not done lightly. A very very hard thing to do. My prayers are with all of you and with our Holy Catholic Church. Only God can sort this out. As my confessor told me a few months ago, "God has allowed this to happen as a purification, but it will not be allowed to stand."
http://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2017/02/04/a-thousand-words/ A thousand words Hilary White•Feb 04, 2017 in Fighting back I am informed by friends that these have appeared, plastered up on notice boards all over Rome. Antonio Socci described it as the City being “carpeted” with them. It says, “Francis, you police congregations, have priests removed, have decapitated the Order of Malta and the Franciscans dell’Immcolata, ignored Cardinals … but is this your mercy?” Romans, as I think I’ve pointed out before, don’t harbour the same silly hyperdulia towards the pope that North American Catholics have fallen prey to in recent decades. It’s hard to when you live with the guy every day. Someone on Twitter asked me how he’s taking it. Oh, probably with his usual calm, reasoned equanimity… (Frankzilla… hoo hoo! OH! I crack me up…) ~
Yes that is a properly positive way to look at this. It is part of God's ass kicking plan. Bless Him. The boil has to be allowed to grow before it bursts. A pretty big boil, a pretty big burst. I hope I'm around to see it.
I have noticed an interesting thing lately in the US where "leftist progressives" howl about tolerance and inclusivity and our failure to join their massive delusion-- everything they accuse "us" of doing, they are actually doing. Being intolerant and violent and shutting down argument and being rigid. Etc. Witness the Woman's March and Berkeley. Seems like a similar pattern is happening in the Vatican. those who disagree are shut down. Period. And accused of a whole host of SJW transgressions. A scary analogy but it did occur to me.
I cannot help feeling that this matter of the posters appearing suddenly all over Rome is indeed very significant. What immediately occurs to me is that this needed quite a bit of organisation. And I don't think that Cardinal Burke is quite into organizing something like this Padraig neither... But what I do think is that this has all the hallmarks of the masons. The Pope's successful operation against the Knights of Malta I suspect has stirred up a hornet's nest in the world of freemasonry.
Hi Mario, My good Friend, please send my regards to Madame Mario and you are both in my Prayers as well, as you know there is no Greater than a Catholic Mother and Wife at least for me, I thank you also for your Personal supposition, for sure quite Respectable and possible but you know me as well, I fought this Pontificate from the beginning, a Great Cross for me, please be sure of that, the exact word would be even Agony but I still think to be well informed, in this video (we have the full video which is about 1 hour, this is only a short version) there is a type of sign (from Second 50 then later as well) from Pope Benedict intented in my opinion for certains persons only so I asked some of my friends if they could interpreted this sign for me, if you can find out this sign then I'll be pleased to explain it to you, if not and between us only, it does not matter, thank you again.
The Masons have never been happier with a reigning Pontiff. I think it has all the hallmarks of sincere catholics.
GOD .................If you love me,keep my commandments. Pope Francis.... If you follow all the commandments, this paralyzes you.
Maybe the real point is no one does. They might try but no one does. We are all sinners...that should be our starting point. Not I follow all the commandments therefore... you all are sinners.
https://thewildvoice.org/pope-francis-chronology-perspective/ cf: MARCH 14, 2013 Grand Master Gustavo Raffi of the Grand Orient Masonic Lodge of Italy praises election of Pope Francis writing 'with Pope Francis, nothing will be as it was before.' (GRANDEORIENTE.IT) https://veritas-vincit-internationa...does-freemasonry-openly-support-pope-francis/ Why does Freemasonry Openly Support Pope Francis? Why does Freemasonry – an organization condemned by the Catholic Church – openly support Pope Francis? In an unprecedented development, for the first time in history, this organization, labelled by previous pontiffs as the “synagogue of Satan”, is openly welcoming and embracing the Roman Catholic Pontiff. A Jubilant Welcome Upon His Election by Freemasons Around the World Pope Francis’ election sparked an almost jubilant outpouring of support and welcome from Freemasons around the world. In fact, as reported by the Masonic Press Agency (www.masonicpressagency.blogspot.com), several Grand Lodges in Latin America, Europe and Asia simultaneously welcomed the election of the new Catholic Pope – unprecedented in the history of the Catholic Church. The Italian Freemasons congratulated him immediately the day after his election. In fact, the Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy expressed his joy regarding the election of Pope Francis. On March 14, 2013, the day after the pope’s inauguration, with seemingly uncanny prophetic foresight, Italian Grandmaster of Freemasonry Gustavo Raffi said that “nothing will be as it was before”: With Pope Francis, nothing will be as it was before. It is a clear choice of fraternity for a Church of dialogue, which is not contaminated by the logic and temptations of temporal power. A man of the poor far away from the Curia. Fraternity and the desire to dialogue were his first concrete words. Perhaps nothing in the Church will be as it was before. Our hope is that the pontificate of Francis, the Pope who ‘comes from the end of the world’ can mark the return to the Church-Word instead of the Church-Institution, promoting an open dialogue with the contemporary world, with believers and non-believers, following the springtime of Vatican II. The Grand Lodge of Argentina officially welcomed the election of Pope Francis. Argentinian Grand Master Angel Jorge Clavero said: The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, an institution rooted in our country since 1857, salutes the naming of our co-patriot Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio as Pope Francis. A man of austere life consecrated to his devotions, the designation of the new pontiff of the Catholic Church supposes a great recognition of the Argentine Nation…In the name of all, the Grand Lodge of Argentina greets our co-patriot Cardinal who just received such a high world distinction. Freemasons in the Philippines welcome Pope Francis " data-medium-file="https://veritasvincitinternational.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/masons-welcome-francis-ad.jpg?w=225&h=300" data-large-file="https://veritasvincitinternational.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/masons-welcome-francis-ad.jpg?w=660" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-346" src="https://veritasvincitinternational.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/masons-welcome-francis-ad.jpg?w=225&h=300" alt="Freemasons in the Philippines welcome Pope Francis" style="-x-ignore: 1" height="300" width="225">Masons in the Philippines Welcome Pope Francis
During the January trip of Pope Francis to the Philippines, among the groups who welcomed him was the Grand Lodge of Masons, who bought a full page ad in the January 16, 2015 edition of the leading newspaper in the country, the Philippine Daily Inquirer. “The Synagogue of Satan” It is worth reminding the reader that for the Catholic Church, membership in freemasonry means automatic excommunication. Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI), then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on November 26, 1983, emphasized: The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion…. Consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated. Numerous popes have condemned freemasonry throughout the ages. Pope Leo XIII called freemasonry the “synagogue of Satan”. In his letter to the Italian people dated December 8, 1892, Leo XIII writes: Let us remember that Christianity and Freemasonry are essentially incompatible, to such an extent, that to become united with one means being divorced from the other. Let us, therefore, expose Freemasonry as the enemy of God, of the Church and of our Motherland. A Satanic Religion in Disguise Freemasonry is nothing more than Satanic worship – beautifully packaged as a “humanitarian” movement to unsuspecting victims. One of the prominent leaders of freemasonry was Albert Pike, grand commander of the Scottish Rite of freemasonry. In 1871, shortly before the pontificate of Pope Leo XIII, Pike wrote about the true nature of the “light” which masons seek in his book “Morals and Dogma”, traditionally handed out to high degree Freemasons only: “LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light …? Doubt it not!” Pope Gregory XVI, who was one of the foremost opponents of Freemasonry, was able to seize documents from the masonic lodge known as “Alta Vendita”. The documents were later on published in a book, and disseminated through various lectures. The “Alta Vendita” documents chillingly summarizes a plan to infiltrate and destroy the Catholic Church from within, a plan which may even require a century: Our ultimate end is that of…the final destruction of Catholicism, and even of the Christian idea … The Pope, whoever he is, will never come to the secret societies; it is up to the secret societies to take the first step toward the Church, with the aim of conquering both of them. The task that we are going to undertake is not the work of a day, or of a month, or of a year; it may last several years, perhaps a century; but in our ranks the soldier dies and struggle goes on … What we must ask for, what we should look for and wait for, as the Jews wait for the Messiah, is a Pope according to our needs…You will contrive for yourselves, at little cost, a reputation as good Catholics and pure patriots. This reputation will put access to our doctrines into the midst of the young clergy, as well as deeply into the monasteries. In a few years, by the force of things, this young clergy will have overrun all the functions; they will form the sovereign’s council, they will be called to choose a Pontiff who should reign … End Time Prophecies Concerning the “False Prophet” of the Book of Revelation Various reputable prophecies and visions by saints and mystics warn us about the rise of the “False Prophet” of the Book of Revelation – a religious leader in the “end times” (the times preceding the Second Coming of Christ) who will conspire with the Anti-Christ to lead the world into error. In her messages to Fr. Stefano Gobbi, founder of the Marian Movement of Priests, Our Lady warned that “Satan would enter in even to the Summit of the Church.” The black beast like a leopard indicates Freemasonry; the beast with the two horns like a lamb indicates Freemasonry infiltrated into the interior of the Church, that is to say, ecclesiastical Masonry, which has spread especially among the members of the hierarchy. This Masonic infiltration, in the interior of the Church, was already foretold to you by me at Fatima, when I announced to you that Satan would enter in even to the summit of the Church. The messages are contained in the book “To the Priests: Our Lady’s Beloved Sons”, which has an imprimatur and nihil obstat. The Marian Movement of Priests has hundreds of priests, bishops and Cardinals as members, and more than 7 million lay members. In the Church-approved apparitions of Our Lady of La Salette, Our Lady warns us: Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. For now is the time of all times, the end of all ends. The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay…Now is the time; the abyss is opening. Here is the king of kings of darkness, here is the Beast with his subjects, calling himself the savior of the world. St. Francis of Assisi was given a vision of the end time Tribulation Period, when a false pope will take over the pontificate: “At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.” Finally, Blessed Catherine Emmerich saw an odd relationship between “two popes” during the end times: I saw also the special relationship between the two popes…I saw how baleful (harmful) would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness. I saw again a new and odd-looking Church which they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it… They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was to embrace all creeds with equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock…
One thing that can be said about evil freeemasonry is that it does not publish its beliefs and activities on public websites! What appears on those sites is what they want you to think of them.
