The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

    I haven't read the article yet, but didn't Malachi Martin say
    something along those lines also?
    Definitely some evil stuff going on.
     
  2. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    So cardinal o malley has backed out of his visit to Ireland for the upcoming World Meeting of Families. He was scheduled to chair a meeting on Child Protection. Hopefully a few more will realise the hypocrisy of their position and resign. I am utterly disgusted.
     
  3. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels


    It has become way too clear that there is indeed a diabolical infiltration of our dear Catholic Church up to the highest levels, as said by many people before such as Malachi Martin.

    This are really really bad times for the Church, probably the worst in its entire history, but I really hope all the filth is revealed out into the open so it can be removed soon, along with all the prelates that are a an active or passive part of it.

    I found this text very pertinent for this times, as we may be tempted to doubt the Church and even God under the current circumstances:

    "We Christians carry the great treasures of grace in vessels of clay. God has entrusted his gifts to the weakness and fragility of human freedom. We can be certain of the help of God's power, but our lust, our love of comfort and our pride sometimes cause us to reject his grace and to fall into sin. For more than twenty-five years when I have recited the creed and asserted my faith in the divine origin of the Church: "One, holy, catholic and apostolic," I have frequently added, "in spite of everything." When I mention this custom of mine and someone asks me what I mean, I answer, "I mean your sins and mine."

    All this is true, but it does not authorise us in any way to judge the Church in a human manner, without theological faith. We cannot consider only the greater or lesser merits of certain churchmen or of some Christians. To do this would be to limit ourselves to the surface of things. What is most important in the Church is not how we humans react but how God acts. This is what the Church is: Christ present in our midst, God coming toward men in order to save them, calling us with his revelation, sanctifying us with his grace, maintaining us with his constant help, in the great and small battles of our daily life.

    We might come to mistrust other men, and each one of us should mistrust himself and end each of his days with a mea culpa, an act of contrition that is profound and sincere. But we have no right to doubt God. And to doubt the Church, its divine origin and its effectiveness for our salvation through its doctrine and its sacraments, would be the same as doubting God himself, the same as not fully believing in the reality of the coming of the Holy Spirit
    ." St Josemaria (http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/christ_is_passing_by-point-131.htm)
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes, Don and Jarg I agree.

    But for the reasons st John gives in scripture it is very hard to discuss these vexed issues in any meaningful way and I quote:

    John 3:20
    Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.


    The Darker the deeds the more they hide in the dark and these deeds are very ,very dark indeed.

    I think Raymond Arroya was very wise when he pointed out that were you find financial shady dealings you will paedophila.

    I think to add to this there is a link between therse two things and heresy. So were you find the first two you will find the third.

    I have come to strongly suspect that were you find these three children of the dark, paedo , financial, heresy there will be other dark children linked in, Satanism, atheism, homo, and so on.

    Satanism being the Darkist of all. Also Masonism.

    I have also become convinced these people are operating in conjuction , aiding and abetting each other at the very highest levels...Padre Pio experience shows this.

    What a mess.

    https://spiritdaily.org/blog/commentary/archives-padre-pio-and-obedience
     
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  5. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    A friend just sent me a text, part of which reads:
    I have already seen people in comment boxes calling for the abolition and outlaw of the Catholic Church. And yes it isn’t limited to the church in America.
    The eclipse of the Church can’t be far off.
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    We must die in Christ that we might live in Him
     
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  7. Malachi

    Malachi Powers

    Padraig have you ever read windswept house. I know a few of the factional characters protayed therein and I have it on solid testimony that many of the stories recounted are based on fact including the infamous satanic enthroning in the Vatican. I have no reason at all to question the testimony of these men especially given the now tidal wave of filth sweeping over our poor Church. These apostates should be identified and exposed and handed over to the secular arm. Good thing I have no power for I would have no hesitation executing them all.
     
  8. Malachi

    Malachi Powers

    Can you blame them?
     
  9. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    Well said, Brian! Father Martin lived among these monsters and he learned what the Modernists were planning, is it any wonder to anyone now that he had to leave the Jesuits, and subsequently write two of the most prescient books in the modern history of Catholicism: The Jesuits and the Decline and Fall of the Roman Church?

    I hope he is praying for us.
     
  10. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    Fr. Malachi Martin, while dying in the hospital commented that his "accidental" fall on his staircase, was no accident, he said he felt a hand push him. Is it any wonder that these people wanted him out of the way? He knew too much and was willing to share it, like he did in Windswept House, and his other books.
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes I have heard stories. I would not want to repeat them too much. It's awful. I must download, this book on Amazon for my Kindle. But I am trying to read positve spiritual stuff at the moment to cheer myself up. I am reading the Life of Mary by Blessed Catherine Emmerich. It makes me joyful. I need a lot of joy after hearing about all this awful poison.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    But I think because of the truly awful things these people have done they have I supect opened doors to hells that should have stayed closed and let a great, great evil into the world.

    As Fr Malachi Martin famously said, 'Grace is draining from the world' and these wicked people had a lot to do with this
     
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  13. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    I used to enthusiastically watch videos by Malachi Martin and read some of his books. I am now highly sceptical because in his book 'The Keys of This Blood' he foresaw the Church being saved by the (now infamous) Legionaries of Christ. When the Legion's founder, Maciel, was exposed as a thoroughly corrupt, greedy, lecherous fraud, I began to think 'Well MM really didn't know so much about what was going on'. Alright, he didn't know but his reputation stood on the fact that he was an 'insider' who DID know the character of those who were prominent and influential in the Church and, for a while, few were more influential than Maciel.

    The nephew of a friend, whose family was extremely traditional and pious, went off to the Legion's seminary to my friend's great joy and to that of family and friends. He returned within weeks withdrawn and uncharacteristically quiet and refused to discuss the reasons for his early return home with anyone. We can now guess to what the poor boy was exposed. He never pursued his vocation and the priesthood probably suffered a significant loss.
     
  14. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com...if-they-will-ever-reveal-why-he-was-murdered/

    “I don’t know if they will ever reveal why he was murdered”
    Some friends believed Fr. Kunz’s work as an exorcist or his investigations of sexual corruption in the priesthood may have been factors in his 1998 murder.
    August 15, 2018 Joseph M. Hanneman Print

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    Photos and prayer cards on a table at the Solemn Requiem Mass for Father Alfred Kunz held March 3, 2018 at St. Mary of Pine Bluff Catholic Church near Madison, Wis. (CWR photo by Joseph Hanneman)
    PART TWO [Read PART ONE]

    Father Malachi Martin was an exorcist, bestselling author, former aide to Pope St. John XXIII, and onetime professor at the Vatican’s Pontifical Biblical Institute. He was also a friend of Father Alfred J. Kunz, and he believed the Wisconsin priest’s 1998 murder bore the marks of satanic evil.

    “He was found at 7 o’clock in the morning with his throat cut from ear to ear,” Martin said on a national radio program in May 1998. “In his own blood, face down into it and with various acts of desecration of his body which are normally associated with satanist-inflicted death.”

    The author of Hostage to the Devil, The Keys of This Blood, Windswept House, and more than a dozen other books said Kunz consulted with him on exorcisms. The country priest was “picked off” by someone who wanted to permanently silence him, Martin said. He referred to the murder as the “assassination of Christ’s hero.”

    Father Kunz’s efforts to battle evil became a significant part of his still-unsolved, 20-year-old murder case. Some friends and associates were convinced that his work as an exorcist and his investigation of sexual corruption in the priesthood must have been factors in his March 3, 1998 killing at St. Michael School in the village of Dane, Wisconsin. Police have now turned their focus to more common motives for the killing, such as burglary or robbery. But the contentions of Kunz’s associates still hang heavy over the case, showing just how complicated the priest’s life could be.

    There is one major problem with the Father Martin’s theory: one of its base premises was false. Kunz’s body did not have injuries that would lead investigators to suspect a ritual or satanic killing, according to Dane County Sheriff David J. Mahoney. Kunz’s throat was not cut “ear to ear,” as many stories claimed. The throat slash was more to one side, and it severed the carotid artery. There were no other stab wounds and no desecration or mutilation of the body, according to Mahoney.

    It’s unclear where Martin and other friends, like Father John A. Hardon, SJ, got information that led them to conclude the killer’s motivation was Kunz’s work as an exorcist, or his efforts to expose pederasty in the priesthood. But convinced they were. In remarks to his students just one week after Kunz’s murder, Hardon said: “I don’t know if they will ever reveal…why he was murdered, but I think I can safely say he was not just murdered, he was martyred. Oh, how much I could say. That’s the kind of priest we need today, who shed their blood for what they believe and not be afraid, not be afraid of human beings, and least of all be afraid of dying, out of love for and loyalty to Jesus Christ.”

    It was Hardon who encouraged Stephen G. Brady to found the activist group Roman Catholic Faithful in mid-1996. He advised the group as it exposed one priestly pederasty scandal after another in Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, Florida, California, and other states. Father Hardon recommended Kunz and Father Martin, who both advised RCF on its investigations. When Father Kunz was murdered, Hardon worried the killing was related to RCF’s investigation into allegations of homosexual activity with minors and priests by Bishop Daniel L. Ryan of the Diocese of Springfield. After the murder, Hardon advised one of the priest accusers in the Ryan investigation to clam up and stay out of sight due to concerns for the priest’s safety, according to Brady.

    In late March 1998, Dane County sheriff’s detectives traveled to RCF headquarters near Springfield, Illinois, and spent four hours interviewing Brady about Kunz’s behind-the-scenes work. Father Kunz, Brady said, was “deeply involved” in the Bishop Ryan investigation. The priest advised Brady not to trust a special assistant to Chicago Archbishop Francis George, who was sent downstate to evaluate allegations against Ryan. Dane County detectives also traveled to the Jacksonville Correctional Center west of Springfield and interviewed Frank Bergen, a former male prostitute and habitual criminal who said Bishop Ryan hired him for sex on countless occasions in the 1980s and 1990s. The paid sexual encounters started when he was 16, Bergen said. Ryan used the services of around 10 male prostitutes, often picking them up off the street and taking them back to the cathedral rectory for sex, according to Bergen’s statements to RCF. Bergen used the money from prostitution to fund his cocaine addiction.

    In addition to assisting RCF’s efforts on the Bishop Ryan case, Hardon said Father Kunz was also doing work directly for the Vatican. “We were very close friends,” Father Hardon told his students. “We worked together for tasks assigned us by the Holy See.” Father Hardon died in December 2000. The cause for his beatification and canonization was opened in 2005, and he carries the Church-approved title Servant of God.

    Malachi Martin said he received authority to perform exorcisms in a three-state area of the northeast US directly from the Vatican. Kunz’s work as an exorcist was low-profile, he said. “He has done exorcisms, but very, very private. Most of us don’t talk about them because they usually involve confessional material,” Martin said in May 1998. “Father Kunz was a very good priest and never spoke about confessional material.” Martin said after Kunz’s death, “More than one good priest in that part of the world, especially one or two very prominent ones, got telephone calls pointing out that they would go the same way.”

    In the weeks before Kunz was killed, the Dane priest expressed fear for his safety, Martin said. Martin died in July 1999 after suffering a fall in his Manhattan apartment. Martin told one friend that although alone at the time, he felt he had been pushed from the stool on which he stood.

    It is unclear when Father Kunz would have performed these reported exorcisms, or on whom. Dane County investigators interviewed the then-rector of St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, Minnesota, Bishop Richard Williamson of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), who had previously referred a family to Kunz for a possible exorcism. Kunz was not a member of the traditionalist SSPX, but when an elderly mother approached the seminary seeking an exorcism for her middle-aged son, Williamson suggested they contact Father Kunz. Shortly before he was killed, Kunz told parishioner Donald Jenkins that the family never made contact with him.


    Read the rest at the link
     
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  15. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    A close personal friend here in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, a good and holy retired priest, went to seminary with Fr. Kunz, and they remained close friends till his death, talking on the phone monthly. My friend here always believed he was murdered by the Lavender Mafia.

    As far as Malachy Martin, I know people I trust who thought he was a saint and prophet, and people who are thoroughly convinced he was a charlatan. I’m agnostic regarding his claims.
     
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  16. SteveD

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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Wow. Thank you for posting this: more grist for the mill. It’s everywhere!
    I meant the long article about Fr Kunz......
     
  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you for posting this. We are in the Washington diocese. We are not over the McCarrick mess. This is another heinous and tragic accounting. I agree, Cardinal Weurl must go. We shall see.
     
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  19. Sam

    Sam Powers



    I'm afraid Cardinal O'Malley has to stay home. It's all over the news here in Boston, accusations by former seminarians against St John's Seminary here, drinking and sex with the hire ups and their special students. He is starting an investigation and has "O’Malley said on Friday that he had asked Monsignor James P. Moroney, rector of St. John’s, to go on sabbatical leave for the fall semester so “there can be a fully independent inquiry” into the allegations.."

    Cardinal O’Malley cancels Ireland trip to focus on investigation at St. John’s Seminary - The Boston Globe
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes I recall reading some bizarre and horrifying things about it.
     
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