The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I think we all know the answer to that. This kind of thing reminds me of Windswept house. The idea of the Papacy being subverted by groups of Bishops and ecclesiastics who either run a Pope out, get him to resign or love him because he is doing exactly what they want which is ultimately to weaken the office of the Pope and turn the Church into a democracy.
     
  2. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    http://taylormarshall.com/2015/10/c...its-anti-homosexual-verses-from-romans-1.html

    Catholic Mass Lectionary Omits Anti-Homosexualism Verses from Romans 1
    by Dr Taylor Marshall
    Monday, October 19, 2015
    Why do Catholics in America support homosexuality proportionately more than the general population?

    Two reasons: lack of authentic Catholic teaching regarding homosexuality…and the Church omitted one of the clearest Bible verses on homosexuality from the lectionary:

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    One of the very unfortunate results of the New Lectionary is that verses that might be deemed offensive have been omitted from our liturgical celebrations. (I’ve written about how three “offensive” Psalms were removed from the Liturgy of the Hours after 1971 here.)

    Verses against Homosexuality Omitted from Current Lectionary
    An example of the silence of offensive passages is from the readings of last week, where the reading of Saint Paul against homosexuality (including female lesbianism) in Romans 1:26-32 is notably omitted from the cycle. Below are the readings for the 28th Week in Ordinary Time (Lectionary 468 and 469):

    Tuesday of the Twenty-eighth Week in Ordinary Time
    Lectionary: 468
    Reading 1 ROM 1:16-25

    Wednesday of the Twenty-eighth Week in Ordinary Time
    Lectionary: 469
    Reading 1 ROM 2:1-11

    So what’s missing? Romans 1:26-32 is clipped out. Yet this passage at the end of Romans 1 is the locus classicus for Paul’s theology against homosexual behavior and it also forms the cited passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church for its teaching:

    CCC Para. 2357. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law.”

    In the footnotes in the CCC for this passage, you’ll find the citation for Romans 1:26-32. So if this passage is important for the Saint John Paul II’s Catechism, why is it skipped over in the Lectionary?

    The Missing Romans 1:26-32
    Here is the skipped passage in full:

    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural [Paul calls lesbianism is “unnatural”], 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men [male homosexual acts are “shameless acts”] and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. [homosexual acts are an “error” with “due penalty”]

    28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. 29 They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

    32 Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve those who practice them. [those that approve of homosexual acts and any of the sins above deserve to die according to “God’s decree”]

    This passage is inspired by the Holy Spirit – by the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity. This is not a politically correct passage of the Bible, but it’s just as true as John 3:16. We may not read it at Mass, but we need to accept it as “inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness” (2 Tim 3:16).

    Why is it omitted from the cycle of Romans for the Catholic Mass?

    Is there a bishop out there who will ask the Holy Father to have this verse included in the Mass readings of Roman Rite? In this time of crisis, we need a Saint John the Baptist who defends God’s teaching on human sexuality against the Herod’s that compromise God’s loving law.

    Godspeed,
    Taylor Marshall
     
  3. AED

    AED Powers

    I want to let out a primal scream like Frodo in LOTR: NOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!!!!!
    Just NONO NO. Sick sick sick of this. So sick of social engineering God’s holy word. From changing pronouns to leaving out masculine names for God to leaving out scripture passages that give clear teaching about the moral law.
    Just NO!!! “How long oh Lord....”
     
  4. Jonah

    Jonah Angels

    I would expand the meaning of 'unnatural' relations in women to include sorry now for this, anal sex, this has become the norm...please forgive me for putting it so plainly. Also I think the meaning could extend to contraception use by women, it is after all against natural law.
     
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Your last sentence is right, what you say is at least a possibility, but most people would not grasp that nuance and they have certainly not been catechised about it. If this censorship continues, the same will apply to the rest of the behaviour.
     
  6. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

    This priest ordained by McCarrick

     
  7. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

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    And for posterity, from the original post at Rosica’s “Salt & Light” website: B3EC99FE-E9B4-439B-8C67-59AC6D62B85F.png
     
  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Sigh. it makes me want to take the two dogs and go live in the Desert.
     
  9. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    :eek::(:cry:
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Yup!
     
  11. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Updated essay at Zenit. (They had the sense to realize just how heretical the original version was.) 2B659FD2-0004-405F-907B-C466667CF9EB.png
     
  12. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Can I follow you there? :( .

    Lord, remember us in you Mercy and during the hour of your Justice.
     
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  13. AED

    AED Powers

    The sudden hiding of the original just makes it more despicable. They must think we are idiot children.
     
  14. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    That is their hope. Deceivers are always caught.
    Thank God, I follow the Lord and rely on his word only and thanks be to God for open eyes to see the deception around us.
     
  15. AED

    AED Powers

    Amen! Truly it is a great grace.
     
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  16. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    A telling quote from Fr. Zuhlsdorf this morning:
    "I have a strong sense that I belong to a different Church than many of my… co-religionists?"
     
  17. gracia

    gracia Archangels

  18. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

  19. AED

    AED Powers

    As we say in Maine “Yessuh”(to a fellow Mainer;))
     
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  20. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    There's a link to the original at the bottom of the page where they re-worded the part which, in a single sentence, tells us as much about Fr. Rossica and the current state of the Jesuit Order as it does about the Pope - none of it to their credit.

    The quality of seminarians must have been at an all time low when Fr. Rossica was ordained. That he was ordained and remains a priest "in good standing :confused:" is yet another lesson to our hierarchy that quantity never trumps quality.

    Here's the link to the original text http://saltandlighttv.org/blogfeed/getpost.php?id=72516
    I wonder how long it will be active.
     

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