The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It’s called Networking. You have described it well.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

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    Thank you!
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    An independent financial audit along with a moral audit and investigation of the actions and mechanizations of these men and those close to them will reveal both the perpetrators and the self interests which hushed those who should have spoken and put us back into this worse situation. The initial uncovering was bad in 2002. Now, knowing that there were active coverups of these problems while being told that they were being dealt with back then compounds these issues substantially.
    It reminds me of the empty house parable.
     
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  4. HeavenlyHosts

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    Thank you!
     
  5. HeavenlyHosts

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    Great video!
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I ahve to say Michael Voris seems to be doing a superb job here. I had my doubts about him sometimes , but I have to hand it to him. Good job.

     
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  7. padraig

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    I am afraid at the moment it looks like it will be the ordinary Catholic lay people will fix things, not the Bishops. So sad, but I think true. The Bishops are a broken reed as far as all this is concerned.
     
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  9. SgCatholic

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    Thanks for answering the question.
    I was at work :)
     
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  10. SgCatholic

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  11. DivineMercy

    DivineMercy Archangels

    I believe we have a chicken and egg situation. We have a problem of a large proportion (majority in fact) of the Catholic population catechized in error, if at all, and this is a population that gives us priests and bishops. So we have priests and bishops trained in liberalism and modernism in the seminaries with no proper foundation of Catholicism to stand on against it, so it is deemed true and proper. Yet the fault of an uncatechized population falls on the bishops and priests to correct (although personally I think it's every individual's responsibility to catechize and inform himself properly regardless of priests and bishops). The laity need to catechize themselves so that from this self-catechized population priests and bishops well versed in the Faith can come forth and properly lead the people. Yes, it is the laity who will correct it because from them come the vocations that will change the direction of the Church. Of course, this is only from a human perspective, however, because God's plan to save the Church involves a chastisement and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.
     
  12. Dolours

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    So, McCarrick with one foot in the grave will be laicised. To borrow a phrase of Mrs. Clinton, what difference does it make now. His legacy will live on through others. Does anyone believe that the people giving him this award in 2016 knew nothing about "Uncle Ted"?

     
  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I never thought ot if that way...thanks.:)
     
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  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well he's gone now, so I am more worried about the ones he helped up the Episcopal Ladder. its a pity didn't have a few Swiss Guards take him to a quiet room in the basement of the Vatican and forced his connections out of him. No good cutting out a cancer if you leave 50 others.
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Cardinal Cupich I see. No surprises.
     
  17. Dolours

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    His friends are already in place. His flatmate, Cardinal Farrell, is the Vatican's man in charge of the World Meeting of Families. And that's Cardinal Cupich fawning over him in the video. I think I recall reading that Cardinal Tobin, promoted by Pope Francis around the same time as Cupich, was a protege of Cardinal McCarrick. One of them (I think it was Cupich) talked about Catholicism needing a "grown up" spirituality shortly after his promotion when he held a special Mass (with no questions asked Communion) for homosexual couples. Laicising McCarrick will be made out to be a big deal but in truth it's no more than window dressing now that the boys are all in place. He ordained hundreds of priests and we'll never know how many of them had to pass an extra curricular exam to make the grade.

    A true clean out would require a root and branch examination of seminaries, monasteries and educational institutions - beginning with the Jesuits. But that won't happen.

    Anyway, it isn't just the Catholic Church. The Anglicans have similar problems (despite having married clergy) but it doesn't get the same universal press coverage. Of course, they have friends in high places: https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/artic...y-angry-at-leak-of-prince-charles-s-testimony
     
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  18. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Thank you for bringing up this issue with the Anglicans Dolours. I have to keep it tucked away for an example to use when speaking to a specific friend who berates the chaste Priests of the Church.
     
  19. padraig

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    He looked so ordinary, like a wonderful grandfather. Somehow I expect them to have horns or something.

    Yest they say everyone was talking about him. If it had been me I would have died of shame. Yet he seems to have taken it all in his stride. Scary.

    Apparently Padre Pio chased a child abusing archbishop out of his confessional one time roaring at him at the top of his voice. God bless Padre Pio.

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