The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    HH, I'm a little concerned also. I think that we should pray for Cardinal Parolin too, he could very well be the next pope. I also find it interesting that this meeting was held in Turin, Italy and St. John Bosco has a huge connection with this city.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Agreed!
     
  3. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

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  4. Oh no! God help us!

    Report on Pennsylvania priest abuse to be most extensive yet

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The results of a lengthy probe into the handling of sexual abuse claims by Roman Catholic dioceses throughout Pennsylvania, which victim advocates say will be the biggest and most exhaustive ever by a U.S. state, could be made public within weeks.

    A statewide grand jury spent nearly two years looking into the abuse scandal, and Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro has said he plans to address the panel's findings by the end of June.

    WHAT TO EXPECT

    The grand jury investigated six of the state's eight dioceses, which collectively minister to more than 1.7 million Catholics. The report is expected to reveal details of widespread abuse and efforts to conceal and protect abusive priests.

    A judge's ruling last week gave the first real details of an investigation that started in July 2016. Judge Norman Krumenacker rejected an effort to delay the report's release or allow people named in the report to challenge parts of it before its release.

    Krumenacker, a Cambria County judge who has been overseeing the grand jury, wrote in his opinion that the investigative body had heard from dozens of witnesses and reviewed over half a million pages of internal documents from diocesan archives. The investigation involved allegations of child sexual abuse, failure of church structures to report it to law enforcement and obstruction of justice by people "associated with the Roman Catholic Church, local public officials and community leaders," he said.

    The report could be groundbreaking, said Terry McKiernan, president of BishopAccountability.org. Several smaller states, including Maine and New Hampshire— each with one diocese that covers the full state — have issued reports, but no state the size of Pennsylvania has conducted a full accounting, he said.

    "You're going to learn a lot about this crisis that you never knew before," he said. "Another thing you are going to see in a report of this geographic scope is an accounting of the geographic solution, meaning within the Pennsylvania dioceses there is a certain amount of mobility, and priests who have trouble in one diocese might be transferred to another within the state. There hopefully will be some accounting of that."

    MORE:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-pennsylvania-priest-abuse-most-extensive-yet-145523867.html
     
  5. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    "Although not directly addressing the issue of Communion for the divorced and remarried in their latest document, the Polish hierarchy does stress Amoris Laetitia must be read in the context of “previous programmatic documents” including Blessed Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae; St. John Paul II’s Familiaris Consortio, Reconciliatio et Poenitentia, and Veritatis Splendor; and Benedict XVI’s Deus Caritas Est and Sacramentum Caritatis."

    Cardinal Mueller has repeated this over and over again and I am so happy to see the Polish bishops officially proclaim it. Let's pray other Bishops do the same.
     
  6. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    CrewDog, Thank you for posting this, I missed it until last night when I found it included in another article here https://romalocutaest.com/2018/04/30/soldier-on-do-not-remain-silent-this-means-you/,

    Cardinal Burke in Bratislava: Devastating Attack on Church Comes Even From "Her Head"
    April 30, 2018 https://www.gloria.tv/article/7PJiYEHnriQw3a1jGtLaLFCrk


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    The Church's enemies are delighted about the "current devastating attack" on the divinely given authority of the Church from within her very body and "even at her head", Cardinal Raymond Burke told an audience in Bratislava, Slovakia (April 27).

    Speaking during the festival Bratislavské Hanusove Dni about marriage and family, he pointed out that the enemies of the Church do not publicly acknowledge their joy in order that right-minded [stupid] people will not realise what is happening "until the destruction has been completed."

    Therefore, Burke encouraged the Catholics to "soldier on" in defence of the truth, "There can be no place for silence or an attitude of defeat".

    He pointed out that "confusion and error" about Catholic marriage was first expressed by Cardinal Walter Kasper. This "became evident to the world during the first Synod of Bishops in 2014."

    Burke confirmed that giving Holy Communion to adulterers "contradicts the Church’s constant teaching and practice regarding holy matrimony".

    Picture: Raymond Burke, #newsXchqtlcgub

    Cardinal Burke in Bratislava

    Here are some additional related videos:

    Cardinal Burke answers on questions - Highly recommended.

    Cardinal Burke Celebrates a Missa Prælatitia in Bratislava

    Cardinal Burke's Speech in Bratislava
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    I
    this is refreshing to hear! God bless Cardinal Burke.
     
  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Link to the video of Cardinal Burke. A good watch.

    https://www.gloria.tv/video/Ei7r37uunCn933KUvdwwUjLek
     
  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    https://www.gloria.tv/article/iDRXkNcSRafs3uGFkkdKm42fg

    Francis Accepts the [Forced] Resignation of Chilean Bishops
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    Pope Francis has accepted (June 11) the resignation of three Chilean bishops after all Chile’s 34 bishops offered to resign last month.

    They are either older than 75 years or were close to the alleged homosexual abuser, Father Fernando Karadima:

    Bishop Juan Barros, 62, of Osorno,
    Bishop Gonzalo Duarte García, 76, of Valparaiso,
    Archbishop Cristian Caro Cordero, 76, of Puerto Montt.

    Before, the semi-official Vatican outlet Il Sismografo had announced that Francis will accept the resignation of eight Chilean prelates. If this is true, five more prelates will be sent into pension:

    Cardinal Ricardo Ezzati, 76, of Santiago,
    Bishop Alejandro Goic, 78, of Rancagua,
    Bishop Horacio Valenzuela, 65, of Talca,
    Bishop Tomislav Koljatic, 63, of Linares,
    Auxiliary Bishop Andres Arteaga, 59, of Santiago.
     
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  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Monday, June 11, 2018 http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2018/06/with-prime-targets-ouster-popes-chilean.html
    With Prime Target's Ouster, Pope's Chilean Cleanout Begins
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    Three weeks since the bishops of Chile offered their joint resignation to the Pope in an unprecedented response to a deepening abuse crisis, Francis' concrete moves to right the ship have begun precisely as the victims would've hoped.

    At Roman Noon this Monday – all of five months since the pontiff's last public defense of Bishop Juan Barros – Francis' stunning turnabout came full circle as he accepted the 61 year-old prelate's resignation from the helm of the diocese of Osorno, ending a three-year tenure marked on the ground by protests and resistance from its outset. (Above, Barros is seen caught in the midst of demonstrators at his 2015 installation.)

    On his transfer to the remote, southern church from Chile's military ordinariate, Barros was implicated by the victims of the country's most notorious predator, Fr Fernando Karadima, of having witnessed their abuse as a young priest in Santiago in the 1980s. Over the last six weeks, the Pope has invited groups of Karadima survivors for two weekends' worth of talks at the Domus.

    Having previously submitted his resignation twice only for it to be declined by Francis, while Barros had become the most prominent target of calls for his removal – all as the Osorno cathedral has been occupied by "sit-in" vigils since his arrival – today's departures did not extend to the handful of other Karadima proteges who've since become diocesan bishops. Then again, the trio of moves announced today are only expected to be the first strike of an ongoing clearout that, according to some projections, will eventually see roughly half of the nation's 33-man active bench leave office.

    Alongside Barros, the two other prelates relieved of their posts – Archbishop Christián Caro Cordero of Puerto Montt and Bishop Gonzalo Duarte García de Cortazar of Valparaiso, the country's second-largest diocese – are both over the retirement age of 75, thus rendering their participation in the en bloc resignation a purely symbolic act.

    While a Chilean priest recently said he had lodged an allegation of Duarte's complicity in "sexual abuse, abuse of conscience and power" with the country's Nuncio in 2008 and never received a response, the Pope's move to include Caro in the first wave of the ousters is especially notable on two fronts: first, as metropolitan of the province which includes Osorno, the archbishop has had a degree of supervisory authority over Barros and the suffragan diocese. In the face of the protests, Caro proved one of Barros' most resolute defenders in the hierarchy, openly attacking the Osorno demonstrators and maintaining as recently as last month that, although the scandals presented a serious issue for the Chilean church, the ongoing tide of revelations and outrage was not to be considered "a crisis."

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    On another significant front, today's announcements come as the Pope's special investigators for the Chilean church, Archbishop Charles Scicluna of Malta and the CDF staffer Msgr Jordi Bertomeu, are slated to return tomorrow for a week of further interviews with victims and other impacted parties, only now shifting their focus from Santiago to Osorno itself.

    Given both the delicate situation and the separate need to reconstruct the country's apparatus for episcopal appointments in light of the implication of the current Nuncio, Archbishop Ivo Scapolo, in the handling of events, alongside today's resignations Francis named apostolic administrators for the three vacant dioceses. As two of the temporary picks are auxiliaries of Santiago, the choices further indicate that not all of the bishops' resignations will be accepted, not to mention that it will almost certainly be a long wait until permanent successors are appointed. (Unlike elected diocesan administrators, as an apostolic administrator's mandate derives from papal appointment, the latter may exercise the full authority of a diocesan bishop for the duration of their mission.)

    As previously noted, even with Barros' departure from center stage, the Chilean church's three most critical personnel decisions remain pending before Francis: a new archbishop of Santiago, the country's most senior post, where Cardinal Riccardo Ezzati is well over a year past 75; a new Nuncio to replace the tainted Scapolo and manage the bench's rebuilding, and perhaps most prominently, the fate of the retired Santiago Cardinal Francisco Errazuriz Ossa – long an outspoken opponent of Karadima's victims – who maintains his seat on the Pope's "C9" group of lead advisers.

    On the latter piece, the 25th meeting of the "Gang of Nine" began today at the Domus. Whether Errazuriz was in attendance won't be disclosed by the Vatican until the gathering's close on Wednesday.

    Among other recent developments, following the bishops' return from their three-day May summit with Francis, the local landscape was further roiled by the suspension of 15 priests amid fresh allegations in the diocese of Rancagua, whose ordinary, Bishop Alejandro Goic, happens to be the chairman of the Chilean church's commission on sexual abuse.

    While Barros issued a statement seeking forgiveness for his "limitations" and "what I couldn't accomplish," the de facto face of Karadima's victims, Juan Carlos Cruz, issued the following response shortly after the resignations were announced:
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    Having been among the first group of survivors to meet with Francis in late April, in other statements Cruz has used the phrase "Que se vayan todos" in reference to the bishops – that is, "They all should go."

    posted by Rocco Palmo

    Pope Accepts Resignation of Chilean Bishop Tied to Abuse Scandal
    By Jason Horowitz June 11, 2018
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-chile-abuse.html
     
  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Personally, I don't think that the following helps the situation with the sexual scandals in the Church besides not helping the Church in general. I honestly feel bad that the entire Church in Ireland is taking any blame for this...

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    Fr. James Martin in a March 7, 2018 America Magazine Youtube video titled ‘Spiritual Insights for LGBT Catholics.’ America Magazine / Youtube

    Fr. James Martin’s LGBT talk at Vatican event promotes ‘confusion and dissent’: critics

    by Claire Chretien abortion, catholic, james martin, jesuits, robert oscar lopez, world meeting of families 2018, Catholic Church, Homosexuality

    June 12, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Pro-life Catholics and pro-family leaders are outraged and disappointed that the 2018 World Meeting of Families will feature LGBT-pushing Jesuit Father James Martin and that the event’s agenda has so far made no mention of abortion, even though it’s taking place in a country that just voted to legalize the lethal practice.

    The World Meeting of Families (WMF), not to be confused with the World Congress of Families, is a massive Vatican-sanctioned conference that takes place every few years. The last one was in 2015 in Philadelphia. Pope Francis attended.

    The Pope will also attend this year’s WMF, which is in Dublin in August.

    “It must sicken the heart of every faithful Catholic to learn that a keynote address will be given by the controversial priest Father James Martin,” Anthony Murphy of the Lumen Fidei Institute told LifeSiteNews. “With this choice of speaker the Archbishop of Dublin once again signals his support for the homosexual agenda and he assists the promotion of confusion and dissent in the Church.”

    The Lumen Fidei Institute is hosting an alternative event, “A Conference of Catholic Families,” in Dublin as the WMF takes place. That conference will use Pope Pius XI’s encyclical Casti Connubii as its starting point. Casti Connubii is sometimes called the “original Humanae Vitae,” because it reaffirmed Church teaching on marriage and procreation, contraception, and sexuality decades before Pope Paul VI’s encyclical.

    Father Martin “causes scandal wherever he goes,” said Austin Ruse, president of the Center for Family and Human Rights. “It is deeply disappointing but not at all surprising he was invited to this event.”

    “Father Martin’s record is not a good one; rather than leading same-sex attracted people to Christ he encourages them to live out their disordered attraction by telling them that the Church approves of their lifestyles,” said Murphy. “Martin tells sexually confused or compromised men and women that there is nothing wrong with what they do. He tells them God made them same-sex attracted in defiance of the clear teaching of the Church that homosexuality’s origin is psychological.”

    ‘He’s either lying or he’s clueless’

    Father Martin uses his large social media platform to promote homosexuality and lobby the Church to change its teachings on homosexuality. The Jesuit was appointed to be a Vatican communications consultant in 2017. Before that, he had already begun to rise to fame as one of the most vocal supporters of homosexuality in the Church.


    His notoriety and praise from left-wing bishops has only increased since then. He uses speaking engagements, media appearances, and his book Building a Bridge (based off of a 2016 talk he gave to the dissident group New Ways Ministry) to suggest Catholics who agree with Church teaching on human sexuality are bigots.

    He supports gay men kissing each other during the sign of peace at Mass, says that a Catholic attending a same-sex “wedding” is like attending a Jewish wedding, and suggests that his critics are secretly gay themselves.

    Father Martin says homosexual priests should “come out” about their sexual proclivities, but has publicly declined to say whether he himself is gay.

    Father Martin announced on Monday that the Vatican invited him to speak at the WMF. The title of his talk is “Exploring how Parishes can support those families with members who identify as LGBTI+.”

    Archbishop Eamon Martin and Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, who are neither related to each other nor Father Martin, held a press conference Monday about the latest program updates.

    When LifeSiteNews inquired with Archbishop Eamon Martin, the Primate of all Ireland, about Martin being invited to speak, his spokesman said, “The Pastoral Congress programme has been approved by the Dicastery for Laity[,] Family and Life.”

    “In 2015, I was raked over the coals for suggesting that the WMF was being co-opted by the LGBT movement to push a homosexual agenda,” Michael Hichborn, President of the Lepanto Institute, told LifeSiteNews. “Now, they're not even hiding the football!”

    LifeSiteNews spoke with Robert Oscar Lopez, who was raised by two lesbians and for a time lived as a gay man, but now identifies as ex-gay and is married to a woman, about the Jesuit’s planned speech and record of LGBT advocacy.

    “I know what it was like to be a young man and to be misled by people who had that kind of authority and prestige,” said Lopez.

    “I think that he needs to come clean about what his experience is,” Lopez said of Father Martin. “If he’s had gay sex and he’s telling people that that’s a happy life, then he’s lying. If he’s never had gay sex and this is all just abstract to him, then he’s clueless. It’s one or the other. He’s either lying or he’s clueless.”

    “I’ve had enough gay sex to know that it is unhealthy, it’s painful, it does not bring joy to someone’s life,” he said. “There’s no way your body is designed to do that for your entire life.”

    continued...
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    continued from above...

    Church in Ireland approaching ‘rock bottom’?

    The theme of the 2018 WMF is Amoris Laetitia, the controversial papal exhortation that has forced prominent prelates to issue statements affirming Catholic morality while some of their brother bishops promulgate guidelines allowing for what the Church has always taught is sacrilege.

    Casti Connubii, the document upon which “A Conference for Catholic Families” will be centered, is crystal clear about sexual ethics and Catholic morality. Pope Pius XI blasted contraception, abortion, and divorce in that encyclical.

    The below topics, including Father Martin’s, are listed as “highlights” of the WMF:
    • The future of marriage preparation in Parishes.
    • Finding new ways of the joy of commitment and sacramental marriage in today’s culture.
    • The challenges of handing on faith in the home today.
    • Finding new language to affirm the joy, beauty and goodness of sexual love within marriage.
    • The importance of solidarity between the generations in family.
    • Exploring the impact of technology on the family.
    • Exploring the key role of the family in caring for ‘our common home’, the earth.
    • Looking at the relationship between business and the family.
    • Exploring the relationship between sport and the family.
    • What does Pope Francis mean by the ‘Throwaway Culture?’ (Address by Cardinal Tagle).
    • The link between the family and the forthcoming Synod on Vocational Discernment.
    • Looking at key challenges faced by many families today, including:
      • Homelessness
      • Addiction
      • Domestic Violence
      • Displacement as Migrants and Refugees.
      • Disability.
      • Separation and Divorce.
    • Exploring how Parishes can support those families with members who identify as LGBTI+ (presentation by James Martin SJ)
    • The joy of belonging to a family reflect in contemporary interest in our genealogies.
    • The vocation of fatherhood in today’s world.
    • There will be fun cookery demonstrations with faith and family themes.
    “It is extraordinary that no mention has been made of the recent abortion referendum especially because at the same time the World Meeting of Families is taking place our politicians will be pushing through legislation to kill the unborn,” said Murphy. “It is remarkable for an event which is supposed to be about the family that the most vulnerable, the most defenceless and the most marginalised is ignored – namely the aborted child.”

    “There is no mention of [counseling] to assist women considering abortion nor is there any mention of post abortion [counseling] for those women suffering with the trauma of termination,” he continued. “If the Church in Ireland cannot speak up for the plight of the unborn child then we really have reached rock bottom. The Catholics who voted for the killing of babies by their mothers have scornfully rejected Pope St. John Paul [and] St. Teresa of Calcutta and the Archbishop of Dublin has betrayed these great saints by his silence and weakness in the face of evil.”

    An advisor to a bishop in that part of the world told LifeSiteNews he doesn’t understand why the WMF didn’t invite someone from the Courage apostolate or the creator of the documentary The Third Way.

    Similarly, Ruse said Father Martin “undermines the great work of groups like Courage and he confuses young men who may be same-sex attracted.” The international pro-life leader said he hopes “that faithful Catholics in Ireland will strenuously object to [Fr. Martin’s] appearance.”

    “The papal visit to Ireland will be [partly] funded by the State,” noted Murphy. In light of the WMF’s ignoring of the pro-life issue and invitation to Father Martin, “also with the deafening silence from the Vatican on the abortion referendum, it must be asked what price has been paid for the thirty pieces of silver from the Irish government,” he said.

    “In short is it so important for the Church to have photographs of the Pope shaking hands and smiling with Irish politicians even if this means remaining silent on the defence of the unborn and refusing to speak about the Catholic Church’s beautiful teachings about the goodness and inherent purpose of human sexuality?” asked Murphy. “If so, then the WMOF is little more than a meaningless cosmetic exercise which will do nothing to stop the downward trajectory of the Church in Ireland.”
     
  13. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    ...and Catholics in Argentina are also not receiving any public support from Rome ahead of the abortion vote. In fact, Cardinal Hector Aguer, the most outspoken against abortion, has just been violently removed by Rome, in the middle of the abortion debate in Argentina. Pray for Argentina this week, the parlament vote currently depends on 3 congressmen that are undecided (126 in favor of abortion, 125 against).

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...-did-not-receive-support-from-rome-in-abortio

    Cardinal Burke: Irish Catholics ‘did not receive support from Rome’ in abortion battle
    Natalia Dueholm

    WARSAW, June 13, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Ireland’s recent caving into the globalist agenda of abortion and same-sex “marriage” is partly due to silence coming from Rome, American Cardinal Raymond Burke said in an interview last week with Polish weekly “Sieci” magazine.

    “In Ireland, during the campaign before the referendum on protection of the life of the unborn, just like before the previous referendum on so-called same-sex ‘marriage,’ people fighting in these battles did not receive support from Rome,” said the cardinal, “and [its own] bishops themselves defended moral principles too weakly.”

    READ: Pro-life leader explains how Catholic bishops destroyed the Irish conscience

    Burke called what happened in Ireland evidence of an “alarming” situation in the Church. One problem, he said, is that leaders within the Catholic Church herself are casting doubt upon Church teachings.

    “There is no doubt about that,” the cardinal said. “The situation in the Church is alarming. This is above all because fundamental truths of faith are being undermined and questioned.”

    “Moral teaching tells us that certain behaviors are evil, always and everywhere, and that they cannot be called good under any circumstance,” Burke continued. “This applies to sexual activity with a person of the same sex, and also to extramarital sexual relations. Now consent to this kind of practice is appearing also in the Church.”

    “I repeat: it is very alarming. Currently there is also an absence of a strong leadership from Rome, which could make these matters clear and remove uncertainty.”

    Cardinal Burke warned against allowing one’s Catholic faith to be removed from the public sphere, kept privately in homes and in church buildings.

    “...People should understand that their life in Christ also means that they act in Christ also in the public sphere, and thus in politics, in education, in health care, and in business,” he said. “When our religiosity is only private, when it is connected only to what we do at home and in the church, it has no future. Such religiosity will not survive in the modern world.”

    The cardinal pointed to Ireland as an example of what can happen to a Catholic country if faith is banished from public life.

    “As far as I know, your government [in Poland] has a clever approach to tradition and faith, but the general direction of civilization is very dangerous,” he told the interviewer. “States are entering more and more into further aspects of life, into different areas of reality. They interfere with human life and they secularize it. And it ends with what happened in Ireland…”

    This secularization leads to an abandonment of moral foundations that are not just Catholic but also, more fundamentally, natural law.

    The spiritual state of Western Europe, the cardinal said, is in a parlous condition.

    “The situation of Western Europe is hard, very serious,” he said. “It suffices to look at what is currently happening in the Church in Germany.”

    There he finds the most serious cause for alarm because in Germany the Church itself, Burke asserted, has stopped defending the truths about marriage and Holy Communion.

    “The Church herself is beginning to secularize,” he mourned. “The Church is entering into the outside world, to culture, without bringing a strong Christian message with her.”

    He observed that although Poland still has a strong Catholic Christian culture, Poles need to protect it or else their nation will go the way of Ireland.

    “Ireland was one of the most Catholic countries in the world,” he said, “and today it is one of the most secularized.”

    Editor’s note: The Cardinal’s quotes were translated from Polish by LifeSiteNews’ Dorothy Cummings McLean
     
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  14. Last night Raymond Arroyo was on the Ingraham Angle and he spoke about the Bishops discussing, and one making a statement concerning those who support govt. legal immigration rules....like they may be canonically sanctioned in some way....perhaps refusing reception of Eucharist to them. Of course nothing about decades of handing out the Eucharist like candy to politicians, and others, who openly support and legislate for abortion, etc. Unbelievable. And yet people are still waiting for some kind of noticeable apostasy to take place??? At around the 38min. 40 sec. spot on video of show:

     
  15. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    True. Maybe with just a little support from Rome the outcome may have been different, since the result was so close (129 x 125!!).

    But that support never came, in fact the removal of Cardinal Aguer may have tipped the scales in favor of legalizing abortion.

    And the result is here:

    Argentina steps closer to legalising abortion

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    Image captionMany Argentine women had campaigned for a "yes" vote
    Catholic Argentina's lower house has backed a bill legalising abortion in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

    After a divisive debate lasting more than 22 hours, 129 members of the Chamber of Deputies voted in favour and 125 against while one abstained.

    The bill will now have to go to the Senate.

    President Mauricio Macri is strongly opposed to the bill but has said that he would not veto it if it was passed by both houses.

    Abortion is currently illegal in Argentina, except in cases of rape or when the life or health of the woman is at risk. Women seeking abortions also have to apply to a judge for permission, which critics say can unnecessarily delay the procedure.

    Up until three hours before the vote, those against the bill seemed to be in the majority until a lawmaker in the province of La Pampa, Sergio Ziliotto, announced on Twitter that he and two colleagues had changed their minds and would vote "yes".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44486190
     
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  16. picadillo

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    Same thing with the "gay marriage" vote all over the world after PF remarks "who am I to judge". If any traditional catholic thinks PF is their friend they are in for a rude shock and wake-up call. Kudo's to the Italians and their new government and telling PF to go pound sand on the moslem invasion in their country. He is a new-world order and globalist and communist (liberation theologian). For the above reasons I am ashamed to be called a catholic.
     
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  17. AED

    AED Powers

    God bless the Italians for trying to throw off their yoke. I will never be ashamed to call myself Catholic but I am ashamed of what our sins have brought down upon us in the institutional church. I say "our" because I am afraid I was for a little by time one of those ignorant slap dash Catholics. I was far along that wide road to destruction. I'm a good argument for never giving up on family members. It's what gives me hope for my own dear ones. God brought me back through my mother's constant intercession. I trust Him to answer my prayers now.:)
     
  18. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/spokesman-explains-why-cardinal-parolin-attended-bilderberg-meeting
    Vatican Official Explains Why Cardinal Parolin Attended Bilderberg Meeting
    After much deliberation, the Vatican Secretary of State decided to take part in order to convey Catholic social teaching to those who would not otherwise hear it.
    Edward Pentin
    Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Secretary of State, accepted an invitation to address the controversial and secretive Bilderberg Meeting earlier this month in order to take the teaching of the Church to a group who would not otherwise hear it, a Vatican official has told the Register.

    The Vatican official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Italian organizers of the visit were persistent in extending an invitation to the most senior Vatican official after Pope Francis to this year’s event, which took place June 7-10 in Turin, Italy.

    “The cardinal decided to take part after the Italian organizers very insistently invited him to the meeting six months ago,” the official explained. “He thought about it for a long time and, after consulting the necessary people, he decided to go.”

    Key topics for discussion at the 66th Meeting included “populism in Europe,” “the inequality challenge,” and “the ‘post-truth’ world.”

    Founded in 1954 at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Netherlands, the Bilderberg Meeting has drawn controversy for its secretive nature and alleged globalist agenda, one that critics say is pushing for open borders and a one world government.

    But the organizers convey a more benign organization in which politicians, businessmen, academics and the media can come together to “foster dialogue between Europe and North America” about major issues facing the world.

    The meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which states that participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of any participant may be revealed.

    The organization, currently chaired by French businessman Henri de Castries, argues that the private nature of the meeting means the participants “are not bound by the conventions of their office or by pre-agreed positions.” This allows them “take time to listen, reflect and gather insights,” it says, and so there is “no desired outcome.”

    In his June 15 comments to the Register, the Vatican official stressed that Parolin “did not ask to go” to the event, but decided to attend after a “long process of consultation.” He said he did not know why the organizers were so insistent, except that it was probably because Pope Francis is an “important voice” on the world stage.

    The Vatican Secretary of State was there for a “short time — about an hour and three quarters,” he disclosed, during which the cardinal gave an address about the “social doctrine of the Church” followed by a question and answer session.

    The Pope was certainly aware of the cardinal’s participation, the official said, and that the cardinal was “fully aware of the controversial nature” of the event but felt encouraged by having already met many of the participants in “other contexts.”

    “He already knew some of the people, prime ministers and so on,” the official said.

    The Bilderberg event’s existence became better known in 2010 when it established a website. Until then, alleged participants denied the existence of the annual event, although the organization says it held press conferences on the eve of each annual Meeting “for several decades up until the nineties,” but scrapped them after “lack of interest.”

    Media coverage continues to be prohibited in order to encourage dialogue, although media personalities have been invited to take part.

    Many high-profile individuals have attended in the meeting over the years. Previous delegates have included Henry Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and the former executive chairman of Google, Eric Schmidt. Among media personalities taking part this year (and previous years) were Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan and John Micklethwait, editor in chief of Bloomberg television.

    The Vatican official brushed off concerns about the secretive nature of the event, saying that the Chatham House Rule is well known and widely used. “Various other meetings have the same rules,” he said. The Bilderberg Meeting says participants are free to discuss the meeting and do so every year, but they are asked not to quote each other.

    Some have speculated that this year’s event was to discuss how to thwart rising nationalist and populist movements, seen most clearly in the election of President Donald Trump, Brexit, and the recent elections in Italy which saw two populist parties gain power.

    The Vatican official said he “could not say anymore” on the issue, reiterating that the cardinal was there “simply to convey Catholic social teaching” and to take “the voice of the Church to people who wouldn’t otherwise hear it.”

    Although the official wasn’t present with the cardinal, he said he believed his speech and remarks were “very well received.”

    The Register contacted the Bilderberg Meeting to ask why the organizers were so insistent on having the cardinal participate and whether it seeks to promote a globalist agenda, but it has not yet responded.
     
  19. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    Just read this sermon by St Anthony of Padua about the ‘wild cow’, seems so incredibly relevant to the Church today

    (A sermon against many preachers, and on the nature of the wild cow which strikes the hunter with its dung: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word.)

    Christ says, I am the Truth [Jn 14.6]. Whoever preaches the truth, preaches Christ. Whoever conceals it in his preaching, denies Christ. "Truth leads to hatred,"8 and so, not to incur anyone’s hatred, they cover their mouths with a veil of silence. If they preached the truth as it really is, as truth requires and as holy Scripture clearly commands, then (if I be not mistaken) they would incur the hatred of carnal people, and maybe these would ‘put them out of the synagogue’. But because they go by human standards, they fear human scandal; whereas truth should not be abandoned because of scandal. So Matthew reports what the disciples said to Jesus:

    Dost thou not know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized? But he, answering, said: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted up. Let them alone; they are blind and leaders of the blind. [Mt 15.12-14]

    O you blind preachers! You fear the scandal of blind men, and so incur blindness of the soul! They do to you what the wild cow does to the hunter. Natural History tells us that the wild cow, when the hunter is pursuing it, shoots out its dung from afar and hits him; and while the hunter is hindered and delayed it makes its escape. To be sure, there are some prelates who do this sort of thing today! Like fat cows on the mount of Samaria [cf. Am 4.1], like fine fat cows feeding in marshy places [cf. Gen 41.2], they give the dung of temporalities to the hunter (the preacher), so as to escape his criticism. So Ecclesiasticus says:

    The sluggard is pelted with a dirty stone. [Ecclus 22.1]

    And the Lord says by Isaiah:

    I will stir up the Medes against them, (preachers)
    who shall not seek silver , nor desire gold.
    But with their arrows (of holy preaching)
    they shall kill the children (the lovers of the world). [Is 13.17-18]
     
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    "Pope Francis compares abortion to Nazi crimes 'but with white gloves': www.thejournal.ie

    Why keep his light so well-hidden beneath a bushel?
     
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