68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
I like and follow Pedro Regis messages that continue to reiterate, "stay with the true magisterium of the church". Does not condemn our pope, but does not endorse his papacy either.
He seems to be inventing new Commandments. We are commanded not to kill, but where in the entirety of Scripture and tradition are we commanded to deal with immigrants in the modern context? Statements like this are going to alienate the greater portion of the Church. Has Soros taken over the papacy?
No they are not. I did clarify whose said that to me. Also, I agree with you about Pope Francis' knees.
What is clear from Jesus' words in scripture is, "the poor we will always have" so while there has and always will be the poor to assist, especially spiritually and physically as prudent, it is not one of the commandments of God that we try and make every one rich. After all, if anyone has read the mystics writings on the Holy Family you will see they were poor, but rich in holiness and love. They migrated to Egypt, yes, but it was not against its country's will of sovereignty then to do so and they surely did not go there with their hand out, selling drugs, sex rings and breaking laws as many do today in the immigration movement. I live in a small community, said to be one of the most illegal immigrants per capita in the US, and if you looked at the county jail site you would think you were living in Mexico City. That said, there are good prayerful Hispanics here too. But they did not come through legal channels as millions per year do. Either way this issue pals in comparison to the killing of innocent babies in the womb and our pope simply does not agree with this.
I very much doubt that the majority of posters on MOG throw caution to the wind and are facing schism. I grow weary of the scream of “schism” to shut down conversation like I grow weary of the scream of “racism” to shut down opposing viewpoints. Just because some believe that the captain was threatened at knifepoint and submitted to being tied up in the hull of the ship for the safety of his crew and the vessel and is now captained by a mutineer doesn’t mean the crew members are jumping out of the boat. Some of them may just be grumbling the obvious truth amongst themselves of the painful situation they find themselves in. There are people who need to “talk out” their frustrations and there are people who internalize everything and think everyone is wrong for talking and need to be silent. Thankfully, there’s an abundance of great saints in the Church who prove that there are thousands of different personalities that can achieve sainthood. Some were the silent and take a beating type, and some were loud, slightly obnoxious and combative types. I don’t think we should loosely throw out the “schism” label when there are legitimate reasons to question whether or not the captain is in the hull or just decided he was too tired and abandoned his crew to a heretical dictator. It’s hard times indeed, but no one here is entertaining the idea of schism or jumping ship.
My point is to please stop accusing and or constantly reminding Sgcatholic and others who question the validly of PF of being schismatic or on the verge or tendency of it. I don’t believe this label applies to anyone here, and find it quite divisive. Everyone agrees this is a tightrope situation. We just have different ways of expressing frustration and concerns. Due to prophesies and the st Galen mafia allegations and even the direct words of Benedict himself, there is enough evidence to be able to express concerns of validity without being slapped with a schismatic label. Peace
All I can say now is that I’m sorry I’m not able to communicate effectively the point I was trying to convey. Like many here I’m sure, I’ve spent most of my life (literally) opposing heresy in my local church proclaimed by laity leaders, nuns, and priests alike (to be clear I’m not accusing you in any way of heresy, just giving my background). My natural personality never allows me to be silent when I perceive a wrong and has earned me quite a few haters in my life. I’ve spent the last 10 years attempting to subdue my natural tendencies, and as I cannot convey my thoughts further in a peaceful manner, I will withdraw from our disagreement. Peace.
Thank you sunburst for provding this link. Mother Theresa says the unborn child is amongst the poorest of the poor! and as Catholic's we know that the most destitute migrant today, is the one travelling from womb to world! In considering Pope Francis exhortation Gaudete et Exsultate and comparing it to Pope Saint John Paul II 1988 apostolic exhortation Christifideles Laici there is to my mind, fundamental differences and this is where I believe the devil lies in ambush! In Pope Francis paragraph 101 it seems all fine until you get to............. 'We cannot uphold an ideal of holiness that would ignore injustice in a world where some revel, spend with abandon and live only for the latest consumer goods, even as others look on from afar, living their entire lives in abject poverty'. This last sentence of paragraph 101, is worded in such a way as to lessen the preceding grave matter of murder of the innocent unborn and it introduces a distortion of reality into the unsuspecting reader's mind! It reminds me of satans temptation of Jesus in the desert, where the devil uses scripture to try to tempt Jesus! and in paragraph 102 of Gaudete et Exsultate, the whole paragraph seems to be a contorted contradiction to the words of St JPII Christifideles Laici . Pope Saint John Paul II 1988 apostolic exhortation, ‘The Vocation and the Mission of the Lay Faithful in the Church and in the World’, Christifideles Laici. "The inviolability of the person, which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, finds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights -- for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture -- is false and illusory, if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition of all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination . . . " For anyone interested below are Pope Francis’ remarks on the issue appear in paragraphs 101-102 of the exhortationGaudete et Exsultate reproduced in full from the link. 101. The other harmful ideological error is found in those who find suspect the social engagement of others, seeing it as superficial, worldly, secular, materialist, communist or populist. Or they relativize it, as if there are other more important matters, or the only thing that counts is one particular ethical issue or cause that they themselves defend. Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection. We cannot uphold an ideal of holiness that would ignore injustice in a world where some revel, spend with abandon and live only for the latest consumer goods, even as others look on from afar, living their entire lives in abject poverty. 102. We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue. Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the “grave” bioethical questions. That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian, for whom the only proper attitude is to stand in the shoes of those brothers and sisters of ours who risk their lives to offer a future to their children. Can we not realize that this is exactly what Jesus demands of us, when he tells us that in welcoming the stranger we welcome him (cf. Mt 25:35)? Saint Benedict did so readily, and though it might have “complicated” the life of his monks, he ordered that all guests who knocked at the monastery door be welcomed “like Christ”, with a gesture of veneration; the poor and pilgrims were to be met with “the greatest care and solicitude”.
On the logic of Pope Francis, Hitler's killing of the Jews is no more wicked than if he had opted for the original plan of sending them to Madagascar. As someone pointed out earlier, the new doctrine seems to be that we are obliged to make everybody rich. Or, as Josephite points out, to turn stones into bread.
On reflection, could it be said that the very Commandments are being inverted? As Amoris laetitia has been interpreted as 'Thus shalt covet they neighbour's wife' or Thou shalt commit adultery', this new document can be interpreted as 'Thou shalt covet thy neighbour's goods'. These passages are not based on truths, but on contemporary politics. They might just as well haven been constructed from the pages of liberal newspapers. This man is less like a Pope, but more like a politician. Global warming, immigration...what's the next fad? Will they call on the new trend of their friends in China, banning the Bible, to be emulated worldwide?
This is beyond scary. You are right! What was that about the new religion, that it will resemble the old religion in form but have no substance? I am reaching for the quote. Satan again, diabolical disorientation. Evil beyond comprehension. Lord save us.
U think this was a very good post. I listened to a wonderful radio programme today concerning the story of the Good Samaritan and one thing the commentators mentioned is that Governments these days are forever quoting that, 'We can't walk past on the other side of the road', to justify Government Interventions, even in wars. Liberation theology equates the gospel message to Socialism. But the Gospel message is not socialist. I think this may be were Pope Francis is confused. Sometimes it is good to help people sometimes , not. There are some lazy people at work for instance I would rather die than help, but a hard worker under pressure I would enjoy helping. The Gospel is about love, rather than we're all in this together stuff. I think equating the murder of the unborn with migrants is evidence too of a Socialist/liberal perspective.
