I'm glad you brought this up Padraig. I just couldn't understand why the Catholic world accepted this without batting an eyelid. Why would anyone accept that a Muslim or a Protestant or an atheist has any say in what the Catholic Church should be like?
I feel differently. We have never had a Pope Emeritus before. It doesn't even make sense. Still, Benedict is the Pope Emeritus. Tying -St Malachy's prophecy of the popes (which Abp Ganswein mentioned without being prompted to when speaking about the relationship between Benedict and Francis), with -Garabandal's prophecy of the popes remaining before the end of the era, with -St Catherine Anne Emmerich's vision of the 2 popes, with -Fatima's vision of the Bishop in White, I think there is more to it than we understand.
I agree that there is more to it than we see now However we must be careful not to start with a theory and then look for facts to buttress the theory We need to take the facts and see if they add up Some of the info we get is filtered through sources we really can’t trust completely Some of the prophecies may have double meanings I don’t trust Ganswein completely Or really anyone around our Pope Sometimes the answers only come through the Holy Spirit through much prayer and penance and rosaries I think that’s why Our Lady has said that only She can help us
I agree Sg. There are way too many prophesies referring to the situation we have now, and this is much more complicated than the view that Benedict doesn’t have a role to play anymore simply because he no longer appears to be pope. What do we know? Until the day that Benedict dies peacefully in his sleep or something, I will continue to believe that he plays a much bigger role in the prophesies - which shouldn’t take too long as he turns 91 this month. (Edited to add) - there is the opinion that the Fatima prophesy is referring to two popes - the bishop in white and the pope who dies a terrible death. This is my personal opinion as well, because a. Benedict having the name Joseph fulfills the Pius X prophesy of the pope who will die a terrible death and b. Francis himself in Fatima referred to himself as the bishop in white. We could argue all day long about who is the true pope but the fact is it’s such a mess that no one truly knows but God.
Exactly, only God knows right now We don’t know exactly how to interpret some of the prophecies Francis is the Pope We don’t know yet exactly what else is going on and we need to be very careful about what we say especially in print
I agree that we should be careful, but on the other hand I dislike the posts that shut down opposing ideas concerning this situation. Who knows, a future council may determine that in fact Francis was the Destroyer of the attributed prophesy of St Francis and was an anti-pope, or a false prophet. He has definitly divided the whole Church more than any pope in history to my knowledge, creating divisions and schisms among the hierarchy and lay faithful more than the Arian crisis and Great Western schism (not just my opinion but those much more knowledgeable than myself). If all people were “very careful” about what they put in print, we wouldn’t have half the information we do at our disposal today regarding this situation. In fact it is this type of view that lead to the homosexual coverup and continued abuse for decades because hierarchy wanted to be “careful” and not expose it, and hid it in the darkness instead of bringing it to the light and ripping it from the roots. As terrible as the abuse was / is (trust me as a mom I want to bring back medieval torture devices to these guys) this crisis with Francis and Benedict is far far worse, because now we’re talking about the complete loss of souls confused and led astray by error and the supposed change in doctrine (does not matter whether it is actually changed or not, the people and priests perceive it to be so. My previous priest said from the pulpit last year that pre Vatican 2 the Church taught you had to be Catholic to go to Heaven, and that the Church changed doctrine during the council and thankfully now everyone can go to Heaven. That’s me NOT paraphrasing but his exact words. He also told my little sister’s confirmation class that it’s not always a mortal sin to engage in pre-marital sex ((a young man in her class lives with his gf)) this in reference to AL). I agree with most of what Sgcatholic says regarding this situation (I don’t post very often) and I think that without the people who actually express other viewpoints concerning this we would be very hard pressed to come to an informed opinion. St. Paul rebuked Peter, st athanasius stood alone, st Catherine of Siena wrote and rebuked the pope - I’m just saying that as laity I think we have the right to discern that the situation in the Vatican is much more complicated than simply stating that Pope Benedict is no longer pope but Fr Benedict and that Francis is 100% the legitimate pope. Well, maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. We the laity don’t know. However I think we should be able to look at prophesy and come to some loose conclusions. Garabandal, Akita, Fatima, St Pius X, St Francis, La Salette, Blessed Catherine Emmerich, Blessed Elena Aiello, Tre Fontaine, etc gives a pretty good idea of what’s going on for those with eyes to see. I’ll be safe and conclude this with the disclaimer that this is my private opinion on the matter.
I used to think Pope Francis was simply mistaken, but now and now I begin strongly to suspect that he is in fact actively working to destroy the Church. I do hope this is not so, but it seems to fit so well with his shocking actions. I suspect that some of the Cardinals and Bishops may be thinking along the same lines. But who can read the hearts of men? Only God. I certainly cannot prove this to be so, I can only wonder. But if he is actively working to destroy the Church, the question comes as to who or what he actually is? I wonder. I hope this is not true; but I am starting to wonder...more and more..I suppose one thing; if this is diabolical then we should expect signs of the diabolical surrounding him or on his person...I do wonder...mmm
I agree Padraig. I think that we should be able to express (in charity of course) these ideas without fear because if we’re honest with ourselves - aren’t most of us thinking it??
Divine Mercy, BUT, we have to be careful and not state our suppositions as fact. And that is what happens sometimes. I object to that. At this point, you are correct, many of us have serious misgivings, but no one in authority has said anything in the way that Francis is not the valid Pope. By authority, I mean the hierarchy. I am just saying that we can't say that chocolate is the best flavor because not very many people like strawberry, and they don't make vanilla anymore, and I read somewhere that so and so said that chocolate was best. I am open to hearing prophecies from the likes of Le Royer, Jahenny, Garabandal, the St. Francis prophecy, even tho dubious, and the ones you mentioned, DM. But I suspect much of what appears in print these days. That is where we have to be careful, I guess, in drawing conclusions, esp. final ones. You are correct in espousing our rights to open discussion, as long as we do not state our suppositions as fact. No one except God and probably a few others in the hierarchy know exactly what has happened. And I am not a part of the priesthood who covered up pedophilia. I think that may have been a poor analogy, although my chocolate one is probably weaker. Just sayin'
Yes, actually since today was the Feast of the Annunciation I asked the Arcangel Gabriel and Our Lady to help me out with this, to let me know some things if they would. Urgent times need urgent prayers. I hope I get an answer; things couldn't be much worse even in our worst nightmares.
Again, we begin to wonder precisely because -PF's words and actions are so troubling, -we have so many prophecies and statements about the diabolic being in the vatican, right up to the top -the permanent instruction of the alta vendita, -Bella Dodd's testimony etc
I realize that Pope Saint John Paul II and others have stated that the Church will be renewed after much bloodshed and unfortunately there is bloodshed in the world everyday but visions and prophecies are not easy to figure out. Therefore, I have wondered if the dead bodies which a Pope is fleeing over in Pope St. Pius X's prophecy refers to the brethren being spiritually dead as opposed to physically dead and as for the Pope who dies a cruel death, well, there are many ways to die a cruel death. Although, there is the following prophecy but it does not give any specifics about the particular "chieftain of the Church" (Pope?) that will be martyred. It is also important to note that the term revolution can be interpreted many different ways, Pope Blessed Pius IX (d. 1878) 169b. "Since the whole world is against God and His Church, it is evident that he has reserved the victory over His enemies to Himself. This will be more obvious when it is considered that the root of all our present evils is to be found in the fact that those with talents and vigor crave earthly pleasures, and not only desert God, but repudiate Him altogether; thus it appears they cannot be brought back to God in any other way except through an act that cannot be ascribed to any secondary agency, and thus all will be forced to look to the supernatural, and cry out: 'From the Lord is this come to pass and it is wonderful in our eyes!' ... There will come a great wonder, which will fill the world with astonishment. This wonder will be preceded by the triumph of revolution. The Church will suffer exceedingly. Her servants and her chieftain will be mocked, scourged and martyred." The following is another prophecy attributed to Pope Blessed Pius IX, 169a. "We expect that the Immaculate Virgin and Mother of God, Mary, through her most powerful intercession, will bring it about that our holy mother, the Catholic Church, after removal of all obstacles and overcoming of all errors, will gain in influence from day to day among all nations and in all places, prosper and rule from ocean to ocean, from the great stream to the ends of the earth; that she will enjoy peace and liberty . . . that all erring souls will return to the path of truth and justice after the darkness of their minds has been dispelled, and that there will be then one fold and one shepherd." http://ia800200.us.archive.org/2/items/TheProphetsAndOurTimes/TheProphetsAndOurTimes.pdf
Yes but he is Pope, so we have to careful. Anyone deserves to be regarded as innocent until proven guilty. But most especially a Pope...and since we can't read hearts. ... But anyway I am praying over it all. Let's see...
Taking a little cue from Carol's postings, I wrote a little note with my donation on Sunday asking 'Catholic Church, where are you going?' which, as Carol pointed out, was the title of the conference last weekend in Rome. Then upon thinking about it later I realized the those were the words that Peter asked Jesus when Peter saw the apparition of Jesus on the way to Rome. The story of that encounter 'Quo Vadis?' is here http://www.reidsitaly.com/destinations/lazio/rome/sights/quo_vadis.html "Along the Appian Way is the legendary site where the soon-to-be-Saint Peter, scurrying away from the Christian persecutions in Rome, met a vision of Christ blocking the road. The church built beside that site is called Domine, Quo Vadis—an odd name for a church, until you hear the parable behind it. Finding his way blocked by the specter of his Savior, a nervous and surprised Peter asked, "Domine, Quo Vadis?," which is Latin for 'Lord, where are you going?' The vision of Christ replied, "To Rome, to be crucified a second time," whereupon Jesus disappeared, leaving his footprints in the road's flagstone as a sign. A chastened Peter realized that Christ meant he was going to take the place of the weak-willed first pope and die, once again, for his faith. Peter turned around and returned to Rome to his martyrdom."
I’m disturbed that you thought I was referring to you personally as part of the priesthood who covered up pedophilia. That’s a stretch and I feel misrepresented in this assumption. Regardless, my problem is that most of the varying opinions do state it as such, but are followed by an onslaught of “be careful” comments. I think most of the posters on MOG are careful and just want to pose other legitimate takes on the situation without a bombardment of “be careful what you say or you’re in schism” type comments. Sgcatholic, in my opinion, has valid ideas that may in fact turn out absolutely correct.
Oh, boy! Another kick in the gut to the Pro-Life movement. “Our defense of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate,” he said, but should not supercede the defense of the poor or migrants. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/f...opes-says-migration-not-a-lesser-issue-than-a
The immigration issue is one within the prudential order and in no way can compare to the 5th commandment of killing. This us just one more sign of Our Lady of Fatima's prophecy of the coming diabolical disorientatuon.
Good for you WBTW! I truly wish this could become a campaign that millions of people do week after week. That would truly have an impact!
