The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Sin will be with us until the Second Coming. I think you misunderstand Our Lady of Fatima’s mission. She came to convert Russia from atheistic, Freemason Bolshevism back to Christianity. She chose the year 1917, the year the last remaing Christian Monarchy in Europe - Russia - was violently overthrown by Jewish Revolutionaries financed by Freemasons on Wall Street. She was not primarily concerned with the Schism, which took place centuries earlier. No, she came for a specific purpose and that was to defeat Bolshevism and restore Christianity in Russia. She was successful: a Christian King now reigns in Russia named Vladimir Putin who has expelled the Bolsheviks and their oligarch progeny out of Russia and restored Orthodoxy.

    As for Our Lady of America, I suggest you read up on it. America’s solutions are to be found in honoring Our Lady of Americas request, and it is a very small request indeed.
     
  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I wonder if Cardinal Weurl is not fond of this idea. He is the Archbishop of Washington.
     
  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Richard67,
    I posted an article from OnePeterFive, I didn't state my understanding of Our Lady of Fatima.
    The fact is that we have differing opinions on Russia/Putin and I don't see this changing any time in the near future.
    If I have time I may read up on Our Lady of America.

    I agree that sin will be with us until the Second Coming.
     
  4. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes, they have referred it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Pope replaced Cardinal Muller with his own man as head of the CDF - another Jesuit if I'm not mistaken. They would do better fasting and praying for intervention from Heaven. The Bishops asking Rome for a decision are in Bavaria, so not only is the one true Church splintering into national churches, it's splintering into regional churches within countries. That St. Francis of Assisi prophecy is unfolding before our eyes. The prophecy didn't say that the destroyer would be an invalid Pope. If I remember correctly, he said it would be a Pope not canonically elected. While Pope Francis is the valid Pope because the Bishops of the world acknowledge that he is, there was some question about a minor breach of the canon when he was elected. There can't be any doubt now that he is a destroyer Pope fostering divisions not only between Catholics but divisions in what Catholics hold to be true.

    The Pope's atheist friend was ridiculed for reporting that Pope Francis intended to give Communion to anyone who asks. Once again, Scalfari is proving to be not such an unreliable journalist after all. And people continue to claim that he misrepresents the Pope! It shows just how far the Vatican has fallen when Catholics who want to know the Pope's plan for the Church can trust a notorious old anti-Catholic atheist more than our own hierarchy.
     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    With respect, Richard, for all we know Putin could be to the Russian Orthodox Church what people like Biden and Pelosi are to the Catholic Church. There's no doubt that he appears to have a good relationship with the Orthodox Patriarchs but there are plenty of examples of Catholic hierarchy snuggling up to Catholic politicians who should have been excommunicated years ago.

    Russia hasn't been converted. There are certainly signs that it is heading in the opposite direction to the atheist West, but I think it has a way to go before we could call it converted. Putin met with Erdogan of Turkey recently, presumably to work out some kind of deal for Syria. I hope that's all he was doing because an alliance between Caliph wannabe Erdogan and Orthodox Russia doesn't strike me as a particularly good sign.
     
  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Dolours, thank you for posting about the St Francis prophecy
    It does seem to fit!
     
  7. DivineMercy

    DivineMercy Archangels

    I thought this was an interesting point to make Don, and wanted to highlight it because it is pretty much the tiny seed gone wrong that started this tragic snowball effect. I had listened to Fr Rippergers talk on Sensus Fidelium called The 6th Generation. He discusses the last six generations and basically lays out how we got to where we are today. After talking about it with several family members of several different generations (who also listened to the talk) they also agreed on its seemingly stunning accuracy.
     
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  8. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Most definitely. There is only one true Church and it is not the Orthodox church.
     
  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    You know I have a real, real feeling of dread and desolation about all this all the time now. I had no idea whatsoever things had sunk so low, so dark.

    As the saying goes this will all end in tears big time, for the Church and for the entire world.

    Much much prayer and sacrifice needed. Our Lady got it right on that one.

    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I listened to this talk today.
    Never heard of the speaker before.
    But it sums things up pretty much.

     
  11. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    We were warned --

    No doubt in my mind part of the 3rd secret has been withheld because it pertains to diabolical disorientation within the Church itself & going right to the top.

    And that perfectly describes how I feel at present - disorientated.

    How I wish I could become a hermit!!

    But my wife just won't let me lol!
     
  12. AED

    AED Powers

    I listened to this awhile ago. It made perfect sense. Like a map showing exactly how we got here. He ends his talk on a hopeful note.
     
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  13. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Things are going to get much worse and very soon within the Church.

    Anything goes folks - the present church will embrace any perversion -- any wicked organisation in the name of dialogue --

    The dialogue mantra is a ruse, a lie, a mandate that does not come from heaven -- it is diabolical -

    Herein lies a great truth

    The enemy is the world, the flesh and the devil.

    You cannot dialogue with the devil or the world as Christ says 'as it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you'.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    I think we are all feeling it. In a sense we are like the Church at the end of Good Friday and before Easter. That was the darkest time. They couldn’t understand or even hope because the darkness was so great. We have no shepherd!! In effect we have no shepherd. The sheep are scattered. We are prey to the wolves. But the same trajectory of Christ will be that of His Bride. The Church will be resurrected. We must hold on to Mary even as the apostles and disciples did. She was with them then and she is with us now.
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Profound
     
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  16. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    It is even worse than that. Not only have we been abandoned, but the very people tasked with protecting the flock have led the wolves in among us!

    They are attempting to "dialogue" with the wolves.

    We are supposed to live in the world, but not be of the world. Talk to sinners yes. In order to convert them. Not in order to change your beliefs to match theirs or to coddle them in their sin.

    Just because the world outnumbers us greatly does not mean they are right. The Jews outnumbered Christ and they had him put to death. If the world is against us we should double-down on our beliefs, not water them down and surrender.

    The wolves will be happy to "dialogue" with us as long as that means they can come into the pen where the flock is with their dinner bibs on. There is no reasoning with people who wish to destroy the Church. As Churchill said "You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in it's mouth."

     
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  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    I know some of us feel a little like Herbert H Heebert when he finds out he´s been betrayed by his sweetheart.

    (Sorry, couldn´t resist)

    But let´s keep the faith and trust the Lord. Our Holy Mother has been warning us that this day would come for at least 150 years!

     
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  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    On a more serious note, good article with good ole Cardinal Burke on the Scalfari interview:

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...lfari-interview-on-hell-was-profound-scandal/

    Edited to add:

    Found the full interview - definitely worth checking out.

    Excerpt:

    This whole situation leads me to reflect more and more on the message of Our Lady of Fatima who warns us of evil — even more serious than the very grave evils suffered because of the spread of atheistic communism — which is apostasy from the faith within the Church. Number 675 of the Catechism of the Catholic Churchteaches us that “before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers” and that “the persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the ‘mystery of iniquity’ in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-interview
     
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  19. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Cardinal Burke quotes the passage below in his interview linked above:

    Number 675 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches us that “before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers” and that “the persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the ‘mystery of iniquity’ in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.”

    So I suppose in a way we should rejoice: the present crisis means...

    OUR LORD IS COMING!!!

    [​IMG]

     
  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Cardinal Burke: Pope Francis is ‘increasing the confusion’ (FULL INTERVIEW)
    Diane Montagna / LifeSiteNews Follow Diane Thu Apr 5, 2018 - 1:16 pm EST catholic , pope francis , raymond burke
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-interview
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    ROME, April 5, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) — Pope Francis is “increasing the confusion” in the Church, and the College of Cardinals constitutes a de facto check against papal error, Cardinal Raymond Burke has said in a new interview.

    Speaking to the Italian Catholic news agency La Nuova Bussola Quotidiana, Cardinal Burke said the alleged ‘interview’ on hell with Pope Francis, published on Holy Thursday by his 94-year-old atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, “went beyond what is tolerable.”

    Burke also called the Vatican’s response to the “scandalized reactions” from across the globe “highly inadequate,” because it failed to reassert the Church’s teaching on the immortality of the soul and the existence of hell. He said it also failed to assert that Pope Francis repudiates the “erroneous and even heretical ideas” attributed to him.

    “It has been a source of profound scandal not only for many Catholics but also for many people in the secular world who have respect for the Catholic Church and its teachings, even if they do not share them,” he said.

    “This playing around with faith and doctrine, at the highest level of the Church, rightly leaves pastors and faithful scandalized,” he added.

    Cardinal Burke said the situation is further aggravated by the silence of so many bishops and cardinals, some of whom “pretend there is nothing serious going on.”

    Here below we publish a LifeSiteNews translation of the full interview with Cardinal Burke. It comes just two days before an April 7 conference in Rome under the title: “Catholic Church: Where are you heading?”

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    Your Eminence, you will be one of the main speakers at the conference in Rome on April 7, which on behalf of Cardinal Caffarra will ask questions about the direction of the Church. The title of the conference indicates concern over the direction being taken in the Church. What are the reasons for this concern?

    The confusion and division in the Church on the most fundamental and important issues — marriage and the family, the Sacraments and the right disposition to have access to them, intrinsically evil acts, eternal life and the Last Things — are becoming more and more widespread. And the Pope not only refuses to clarify things by proclaiming the constant doctrine and sound discipline of the Church, a responsibility inherent in his ministry as the Successor of St. Peter, but he is also increasing the confusion.

    Are you referring to the increase in the number of private statements that are being reported by those who meet with him?

    What happened with the latest interview given to Eugenio Scalfari during Holy Week, and made public on Holy Thursday, went beyond what is tolerable. That a well-known atheist claims to announce a revolution in the teaching of the Catholic Church, believing that he speaks on behalf of the Pope in denying the immortality of the human soul and the existence of Hell, has been a source of profound scandal not only for many Catholics but also for many people in the secular world who have respect for the Catholic Church and its teachings, even if they do not share them.

    Moreover, Holy Thursday is one of the holiest days of the year, the day on which the Lord instituted the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist and the Priesthood, so that He might always offer us the fruit of His redemptive Passion and Death for our eternal salvation. Furthermore, the Holy See’s response to the scandalized reactions from all over the world was highly inadequate. Instead of clearly reasserting the truth about the immortality of the human soul and Hell, the denial only states that some of the words quoted are not the Pope’s. It does not say that the erroneous and even heretical ideas expressed by these words are not shared by the Pope, and that the Pope repudiates these ideas as contrary to the Catholic Faith. This playing around with faith and doctrine, at the highest level of the Church, rightly leaves pastors and faithful scandalized.

    continued...
     
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