The New Babylon

Discussion in 'Books, movies, links, websites.' started by Rey Urena, Oct 19, 2016.

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As we are in serious times, where is the New Babylon.

  1. USA

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  2. China

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  3. Other

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  1. Rey Urena

    Rey Urena Server

    Brothers and sisters in Christ. As the Lord knows me inside out. These things I say, is for the love of Christ and all of you. Not to confuse or mislead anyone, Oh father forbid in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.. I have to give account to my Lord Jesus, how I construct the time he gives me on this Earth. I cannot in anyway keep silent. The Lord has led me to believe that the United States of America is the great prostitute, The new Babylon. It has spread her era's all over the world ,it has led the world with everything that is against Our Father and his son our Lord Jesus Christ. Even the smallest third world countries in world including mine in far away valleys ,have been contaminated . With its lust and greed, and selfishness even in the hearts of the poorest economicly and in the faith. Brothers and sisters in Christ. Forgive me if what I say hurts you or confuse in anyway. I say these things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, for his glory, with the father to guide all of us in his spirit. That we can be ready and working when he comes, or he calls us to him, may Our Lord Jesus Christ keep you always in his peace.
     
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  2. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    It is very easy to know according to Genesis 10, the origin of nations. The modern genetics is proof.
    Magog is ancestor according to Jewish tradition of Scythians, and according national traditions of Hungarians, Huns, Mongols. And this is invention of the genetics
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    You are descendants of Gomer :) But we, Slavs, are from Madai according to our and Jewish tradition.

    Revelation is very easy to understand for someone, who got a gift from God. The key to all prophecies in Bible is in Notebooks of Maria Valtorta
     
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  3. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    I find most of this "Stuff" all very interesting but discount most of it.... and guess most of that most is just confusing chaff-n-chatter!.
    The Lord said there would be SIGNS ...... and the Cities and Woods are full of them. I'll say again!! Do we really need anymore!!?? How many people here and elsewhere are waiting for some "Special Sign". It seems to me that The Lord will make His Signs simple and easy to understand ... just as His Message on Earth 2,000 years ago was simple and easy to understand. Too many folks are making it difficult and confusing! Ya don't have to be a Rocket Scientist or PhD in Math to Get-it .... quite the contrary. Did not Jesus say come to Him as children. Simple Faith is all He asks I believe............. I also guess that The Lord will admonish many Church Leaders, of all faiths, one day by asking: Why did you make it so difficult for others to come to ME!??

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  4. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I want to remind you that in the bible St Peter and St Paul spoke about the antichrist as mystery Babylon because of persecution. Mystery Babylon was called that so nobody would understand them. They were speaking of the Israelis. At the time, Israelis were spying on Christians and handing them to the Romans to be killed.
     
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  5. Byron

    Byron Powers

    And today, Christians are being handed to ISIS. Few Christians have been allowed through the United Nations to come to the U.S. History repeats itself.
     
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  6. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Truly, if you want to know, what the great Babylon means, you have to look inside yourself. Every single man is a part of this city. If someone tells, that Babylon is Russia, China, USA, he can have always only partial truth. The building blocks of this spiritual City are sins of individuals. Hatred, pride, lust, selfishness, idolary of selves...
    These are building the City, where the people are not able to understand and love each other, therefore it got an apt name - Babylon. And since it is widespread worldwide, it can be called the Great.
     
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  7. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Really nobody? Nobody without God's grace. Who has understanding, he understands almost all Revelation at the right time. Since this Babylon shall be destroyed by Second Pentecost, consider what the Babylon means...
     
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  8. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Interesting interpretation. You may be right.
     
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  9. Rey Urena

    Rey Urena Server

    Glory be to our Father in heaven always , through our Lord Jesus Christ . As all prophecies in the past, were fully understood at the time they were being furfilled. Many generations past after many prophecies were prophesied , and the people thought it was going to happen in there own time. I believe this was a good thing because the next-generations were being tought about all the prophesies. Generation to Generations. This was in God's plan, so when the time came for these prophesies to be furfilled. God's to chosen people will fully understand them, and believe in the word of our Father in heaven .
     
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  10. Jary

    Jary New Member

    I think it's becoming quite apparent who the "false prophet" is he resides in Rome, as devout Catholics we have to pray for our church and be strong to fight this evil and remember we will always be Catholics maybe at times not Roman Catholics
     
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  11. Rey Urena

    Rey Urena Server

    According to scriptures, the anti Christ will be one, who was one of us.
     
  12. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I don't agree with this. For all his faults, Pope Francis is not the False Prophet. I believe that he has a genuine concern for the poor and a mistaken belief that easing people's conscience on sin will draw them close to God. While he is surely permitting what appears to be heretical practice and teaching, he isn't mandating it. We have some way to go before we see the False Prophet of Revelation. We have been heading in the direction of accepting such a prophet for centuries. The Church has been softening its approach to the permanence of marriage for centuries, starting with allowing annulments for the wealthy and influential. These compromises always start with pleasing a select few of the elite and then spread throughout the Church. Now it's the turn of the wealthy Germans to use their financial clout.

    It could take a few more generations before we see the False Prophet. Remember that the faith had already been on the wane in most of the regions buying the false mercy message. The Church is growing in regions of Africa and Asia where people still hold to traditional family values. When the False Prophet appears on the scene, the Universal Church will be weakened. The time to grab the blessed candles and head for the hills will be when apostasy strikes Africa and a lot of Africa has yet to be evangelised before that happens.
     
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  13. Rey Urena

    Rey Urena Server

    Amen to that, but we cannot in any way put our faith in any man, according to scriptures and also says the antichrist will sit in God's throne here on earth. Our faith shall always and only be in our Lord Jesus Christ, and through his spirit and the intercession of our Blessed Mother, we will never be deceived.
     
  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Many Protestant and evangelical leaders have published myriad of books with these popular western opinions regarding Babylon and the Harlot, Gog and Magog. I read many of them. All I believe to sell books to westerners wondering where we all fall into place in the fulfillment of end times events instead of looking to their Bibles and asking God for insight. Many who are simply wolves in sheeps clothing. In the Protestant case it is a given how they will label Rome.

    Isaiah names several cities Kedar, Tema, Dedan and Dumah that coincide with the destruction of Babylon. ALL of them are in the ME and resided in present day Saudi Arabia. No Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there (Isaiah 13:20)
    This city is one that sits on many waters. Tell me how many waters surround Rome? Isaiah also refers to it as The desert by the sea. Is there a desert in Italy?

    The Kaba is fit in a covering made from hundreds of kilo's of gold, pearls, silver, jewels. I know that Rome has wealth, I also know that Rome and the RCC is the largest distributor of charity to the world in the form of Hospitals, schools, feeding the poor, the list is endless of its good works.

    Revelation 18 speaks that all the Saints will rejoice over her destruction. Will anyone rejoice over the destruction of Rome or of America? Have either of these places committed acts which would cause people such righteous hatred? Have the blood of Prophets and Saints been found in either?

    SA has held the entire world hostage with its wealth in oil. It has spread its lies around the globe. On the streets there one will find literally shop after shop that does nothing but sell gold and jewels and finery of all kinds. Also this same nation enslaves people and violates the dignity God has assigned mankind. It is literally rampant. No Christian is even allowed to go to Mecca. By punishment of death! All nations have been deceived by it.

    Think also about who worships this. Consider all the leaders of the world who bow and kiss the hand of the King of this Nation and why. Now consider all those leaders and how they act toward the United States. They ALL want to change it into their likeness. Every single one. No bowing, no scraping going on here. Shoot, Americans have always been seen as ignorant idiots lol.

    Even other Muslims hate them precisely for their perversion of Islam. Look at where Iran has aimed its missiles for the last decade and who is fighting a proxy war with them via Yemen.

    Gog - Magog? Turkey, Iran.
     
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  15. Rey Urena

    Rey Urena Server

    Brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, blessings to you all through our Lord Jesus Christ. There are a lot of places that can be called Babylon in these times, but there certain precise scriptures that identifies the new Babylon. One example is Babylon is the city or nation that the kings ruled the world. Where do all kings of the World meet to pressure laws on other countries? Second Babylon is the city or Nation that all languages are spoken. Third Nation's of the world have made wealth by Babylon buying all kinds of goods. Forth Nations have been drunken with her sins, meaning a country who has promoted things that are against God Commandments, and other countries have followed there footsteps. Fifth It is a young nation. Sixth Babylon is a country who was born in its early stages with witchcraft.
     
  16. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I am going to dredge this thread back up because I find it interesting. I also wonder if anyone's thoughts have changed on this topic or been further strengthened? Mine have changed. I have been studying masonic influence recently and its "mystery" religion cult's influence on the world which is staggering to put it lightly.
    I don't believe there is a "new" babylon, she has existed though out all of history from the very beginning.
    I have thought about this because we are given so many clues in the Bible regarding it. The chief persecutor of the Prophets and Saints, the Harlot, the Whore, Mystery Babylon (that is an especially good one I think from a historical context), all kings will drink of her iniquities, Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots. There are many places we are given clues and even Peter referred to being in Babylon.
    We also know that all the nations will bow and scrape to her. They will ignore her horrific injustice and iniquity.
    I think there is only one city in the world capable of uniting all religions and ruling the world.
     
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  17. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    As it refers to Babylon, I have to agree whole heartily with the following two blogs by Mark Mallet. I have read these several times and ever time it rings more true to me... https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2018/10/07/mystery-babylon/

    https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2018/10/09/the-fall-of-mystery-babylon/
     
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  18. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    About "Babylon", Jesus through Maria Valtorta ("The End Times"):

    "Commentators of John's book have exhausted their intelligence in many deductions to explain to themselves and to the crowds what the 'great babylon' may be with human sight, with which the shocks due to desired event or events having taken place had something to do, they gave the name of Babylon to many things. But why have they never thought that the 'great Babylon' is the whole earth?"
     
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  19. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I would struggle with that one, Lynne; maybe the spirit of Babylon, but not Babylon, herself.

    Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk." 3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; 5 and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations." 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus...15 And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth."
     
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  20. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Mario,
    If you have the book, The End Times, I would suggest you read what Jesus says after what I posted and it may make more sense to you. I also am not sure about what was told to Maria Valtorta and I do question it, but I thought I would post it for anyone with discernment on this. God bless you.
     

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