Let's pray that doesn't happen. It sounds too much like the Secret of Fatima with the Bishop in White walking past bodies.
“The Pope’s response to Islam is a powerful one. It isn’t do-goodery” 01/08/2016 ANDREA TORNIELLI IN KRAKOW The Pope’s response to the violence unleashed by Islamic terrorists is not “do-goodery”. It is a “powerful and determined response”. The gesture of Muslims who decided to show their solidarity with Christians in the wake of the savage assassination of Fr. Jacques Hamel, is "an innovative and important sign," says Bruno Forte, a theologian and archbishop of the Italian archdiocese of Chieti-Vasto. Before catching his flight from Krakow to Italy, after the World Youth Day celebrations, he spoke to Vatican Insider about the presence of Muslim faithful in churches. Yesterday, there were Muslims who attended mass in many churches to show their solidarity with Christians. What is the meaning of this gesture? “It is an innovative and important gesture because this has never really happened as a common, public gesture. It means that many of the various branches of the Islamic community want to publicly express their solidarity with Christians who have been hit hard by barbaric incidents such as the killing of Fr. Jacques Hamel. The gesture of these Muslim faithful is proof of what Francis has said: violence committed in the name of God, using the name of God in vain, is never justified. The true jihad is the battle within oneself to ensure that the good triumphs.” Some are calling for strong reactions against Islam in response to jihadist terrorism. But the Pope has stressed that the war underway is not a religious war and has told young people that hatred cannot be conquered with more hatred. Why? “I am deeply convinced that the Pope is giving the world the only message that is truly productive. He reminds us that responding to violence with more violence only generates more hatred, more death. If, instead, we respond with mercy and forgiveness, we have a chance of building a more just and fraternal world. I believe that the way indicated to us by Francis is the only way to achieve this.” Doesn’t the evangelical response to events such as the ones in Nice, Munich and Rouen risk coming across as “do-goodery”? “This is the accusation made against Pope Francis and against everyone who like him – myself included – insist that the response to violence cannot be violence. Do-goodery is a defeatist attitude. What the Pope is suggesting, however, is a strong and determined attitude, the attitude of someone who knows that in the end, force, violence and closed-mindedness only bring more pain and more death. Dialogue and forgiveness that is given and received, on the other hand, over time can lead to peaceful co-existence and the building of a better world. So this choice involves anything but surrender, passivity, fear, quietism or underestimation of the problem. It is a powerful response despite not resorting to force. It is inspired by the Gospel and is destined to bear fruits.” http://www.lastampa.it/2016/08/01/v...-dogoodery-3Fi5I5EXPFSrLvHY6sJL6O/pagina.html
As far as whether Islam is a religion of peace or not, it seems to me we only have to look at its founder to know the truth. Same goes for Christianity. Islam's founder, Muhammad, was a man of the sword if you were not persuaded to follow him. Anyone who studies him and his militant followers knows this to be true. Now Jesus on the other hand told his first pope, Peter, to put his sword away and whoever lives by the sword dies by the sword. Of course Islam is not a religion of peace, as they have tried to dominate its enemies with the sword for over 13 centuries now. Yet there are good loving Muslims within the faith and many of them will convert with the Warning forthcoming.
All Muslims are not terrorist, BUT almost all terrorist attacks are Muslim. Just look at the lists of terror attacks, almost every group is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_June_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_May_2016
Thats the issue...would God protect a city for one soul. I think there is some scripture on that topic. b a
From spirit-digest: On return from WYD, Pope : Catholic fundamentalists are just a bad as Jihadists “In almost every religion there is always a small group of fundamentalists. We have them too. If I have to talk about Islamic violence I have to talk about Christian violence. Every day in the newspapers I see violence in Italy, someone kills his girlfriend, another kills his mother-in-law, and these are baptized Catholics.” [Source] All to ordinary personal and private crime by Catholics (and all others ) is NOT the same as an Islamic torture-murder of a elderly Catholic Priest on his altar during Mass. That crime was witnessed and filmed while the perpetrator screamed ‘To the Glory of Allah’ to invoke terror and make it very public. It is NOT fundamentalism. The comparison degrades the concept of innocence and martyrdom . . Is the pope becoming unhinged? This deception is reminiscent of that ancient argument in the Garden of Eden.v Really? Who are they? I am becooming totally disgusted with this globalist pope.
I get so sad hearing all this negativity about Pope Francis on a supposed Catholic forum. The definition of fundamentalism is: a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts, especially within American Protestantism and Islam, which is what the ISIS guys are. And I am supposed to read an 11th century Pope on his advice on how to behave with Islam believers? And I'm supposed to be disgusted with a 'globalist pope'?? Should he be nationalistic?? Should we seek common ground with peaceful Muslims or should we hate all muslims? It's a rhetorical question but i fear that many here prefer hatred.
Come on David, who said anything about "hating all muslims". Please tell me David, who are these "fundamentalist catholics" who are worse/as bad as ISIS? I am not talking about 100 years ago or as you put it, 1000 years ago. I am talking about the goings on all over the world NOW!
No, but Richard posted a long text from Pope Urban for our reflection... As far as 'fundamentalist catholics' are concerned, no, Pope Francis was not talking of only Catholics but of Christians, he always rightly views the Pope as a leader of Christians. All he was really pointing out is that violence can take over any group, even Christian groups. He was absolutely correct to point out that the muslim terrorists are a small section of their communities.
I wouldn't bet money on the Pope being right about the terrorists being a small section of Muslim communities and I certainly wouldn't bet my life or my family's life on it. That "small section" so often touted by the come one, come all brigade tends to be based on the number of terrorist acts that are successful. It doesn't take into account the number that are foiled in the planning stages. It certainly doesn't take into account the surveys that show the number supporting jihad and the implementation of Sharia Law in western democracies is frighteningly high.
sky high in Pakistan which has the nukes, the tribal Taliban recently swore allegiances to ISis as they did in AFGHANISTAN, A RECENTpoll there showed 73% approval for ISis
I hate to say it but the pope sounds like Obama. He doesn't want to call Islam violent; he thinks youth are radicalized because they have no opportunities,yada, yada, yada. The Tsarnaev brothers were living off the dole in Massachusetts. The older one was married to an American (idiot) and the younger one was on track for a decent well-paying engineering career following his state-funded education. So much for that theory.
Yes. We are supposed to believe that all jihadists are poor marginalised victims despite doctors, teachers, scientists and well-heeled members of other professions supporting violent jihad. I suppose they think we will believe it if they repeat it often enough. Christianity is blamed for anyone carrying out a violent act who was ever inside a church even if the last time was when their parents had them baptised to have some nice photos for the family album. In contrast, any Muslim shouting allahu akbar as he cuts the throat of a non-believer is un-Islamic, despite following the example of his religion's founder. The Pope's Imam and atheist friends play him like a violin.
But what would that achieve, Cathy? To call Islam violent would be inaccurate but more importantly would encourage peaceful muslims to move closer to their more violently orientated brothers. And don't dismiss that connection between the youth and the ISIS type groups. ISIS is overwhelmingly supported by younger muslims. This is not because the youth are poor materially but because they see the emptiness of values and beliefs of those around them.
If only he hadopened his mouth one more time we might have been saved from this past three years of mayhem. Alas
When Al Qaeda was founded the large majority were Saudi Ph D,s. Ben Laden had a world class education and came from a very wealthy family
A Pope who’s “out of sync” with ideology but in tune with the Gospel The loud and clear message of one and a half million young people and an old Pope: God’s name is being used in vain and martyrs exploited to whip up a religious war against Islam and counter jihadist terrorism 31/07/2016 ANDREA TORNIELLI IN KRAKOW Hundreds of thousands of them saw nothing. They were unable to catch even a glimpse of the Pope, not even on one of the sparse big screens. They followed the World Youth Day events from sections that were so far away they could barely hear the songs, prayers and Bergoglio’s voice. And this was after a long coach journey that lasted an entire day if not more. Why are these young people here? Why have they dedicated time and energy to a meeting like this? No, this is not the sofa generation, this was probably a habit their parents had more than them. These are young people who believe, despite it all. Who hope, despite it all. Who do not let themselves be drugged by a consumerism that turns them into slaves, which is just what the powers of this world want. Who do not surrender to the clash of civilisations and the hatred of blind violence, despite it all. The Polish WYD, which was celebrated at the very heart of central-western Europe, was tainted by the terrible events of recent days in Nice, Munich and Rouen. The terrorism carried out by Islamic extremists, marked by attacks, car bombs, jihadist suicide bombers, blind violence and groups with hordes of arms and money that reached them thanks to the help of countries that are considered the West’s closest allies, has entered out lives. As long as it was just images on the TV, images depicting the lifeless bodies of children, women, young and elderly people, innocent people who were ripped to shreds in the daily attacks which took place in Kabul and Baghdad, as long as the persecution and attacks took place in Nigeria or Pakistan, it seemed as though it all had nothing to do with us. Now, in a world where the “globalisation of indifference” once reigned, some are pushing for a globalisation of hatred, a closed mindset and the building of walls. This is exactly what ISIS’s terrorists and their affiliates and fans want: to sow terror and fear, to make us believe we are facing Armageddon, the final showdown between western Christian civilization and Islam. And this fairy tale, which is told out of sheer self-interest, by those who are desperately trying to unite Sunni Islam against the enemy “crusader”, is unconsciously backed by the many calls to arms from intellectuals and commentators who have reduced Christianity to an identitarian ideology. With courage and determination, Pope Francis pointed out that the war the world is currently engaged in is a piecemeal Third World War, not a war of religion. If anything, it is a war within one religion, as is demonstrated by the fact that the vast majority of victims of jihadist attacks are innocent Muslims. But it is first and foremost a war based on money, interests and the desire for domination over others. Whatever the nature of this conflict is, the Pope cannot disregard the Gospel. And to consider it “in sync” with the demands of a religious war, a tough response against Islam, which many today would like to see, one needs to forget the magisterium of his two immediate predecessors. One has to pretend they never existed, building a false and staggered image. Francis is accused of not publicly speaking out against Islam in the statements he made in the wake of the attacks. In Poland, John Paul II’s homeland, how can one forget that Wojtyla never once attacked Islam? Not even after the September 11 attacks. It is worth reminding the many commentators of Benedict XVI’s Regensburg speech, which is today being presented as a battle cry, that that academic lecture was not pronounced in the wake of an attack and that its crux was not Muslim violence but its criticism of the West which has forgotten its roots, viewing religions as sub-cultures. Benedict XVI never once mentioned Islam in light of jihadist attacks. Setting Wojtyla and Ratzinger against Francis in a holy war is stretching it and is in fact a shady operation. To do this, reality would have to be placed within brackets. “There is no time for denouncing anyone, or fighting. We do not want to tear down. We have no desire to conquer hatred with more hatred, violence with more violence, terror with more terror,” Francis told young people during the WYD prayer vigil. Because “our response to a world at war has a name: its name is fraternity, its name is brotherhood, its name is communion, its name is family”. The joined hands of young people from all over the world, their silent prayer, is the real fight against jihad. It is the only Christian response to violence. It is the only evangelical way to honour the blood of the many martyrs of our troubled times. http://www.lastampa.it/2016/07/31/v...the-gospel-7TqgHxPfC9pG8pKZiSG0KI/pagina.html
treat a lion like a lion, otherwise he might be apt to eat you. We heard the very same,sad sorry nonsense about Hitler
