The Gospel as Revealed to Me - Maria Valtorta

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  1. Soul

    Soul Servant

    Yes, Jesus's Words that at times concerned Him being the Messiah and God in the flesh. The Pharisees discerned those claims, but some lacked faith, love, and humility, and so, despite all that they had heard and witnessed which testified to Him being the Messiah and God in the flesh, they still rejected Him. Again, in the same way, regarding Maria Valtorta, there's ample proof that she was Jesus's spokesperson, and yet there are people who still reject this.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    If they had done proper, Spiritual Discernment they would have accepted Him as the Messiah.

    1 Corinthians 2:8

    "If they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory"


    The problem was they didn't. True Discernment means being open to the Holy Spirit, clearly they weren't.

    I believe you may be confusing a merely Human Discernment with Spiritual Discernment and the action of the Holy Spirit.

    Proverbs 3:5-6, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you Brian. It covers every point. Maybe we can lay this to rest on the forum. I hope so.
     
  4. Soul

    Soul Servant

    Yes, some of the Pharisees didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah and God in the flesh because they lacked faith, love, and humility, despite Jesus's words and actions that testified to those truths.

    "When pride comes, then comes dishonor; But with the humble there is wisdom." (Prov. 11:2)

    "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. For that person ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." (Jas. 1:5-8)

    "But the wisdom, that is from above, first indeed is chaste, then peaceable, modest, easy to be persuaded, consenting to the good, full of mercy and good fruits, without judging, without dissimulation." (Jas. 3:17)

    Again, in the same way, regarding Maria Valtorta, there's ample proof that she was Jesus's spokesperson, and yet there are people who still reject this because they're lacking in (I) faith that God will make known and protect His true spokespersons, just as He's always done, (II) love by being uncharitable towards Maria Valtorta in their accusation of her being a false spokesperson prematurely, or without sufficient proof, and (III) humility by presuming that there isn't anything left for God to say to His creation, or behaviors that we commit to give Him cause to. And, these aren't the only ways in which one lacks in those areas on this matter.
     
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  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you, Brian. Very simple. I hope we can lay this to rest on the forum, as well.
     
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  6. Soul

    Soul Servant

    I'm currently working on a response to Fr. Mitch Pacwa's article, which I will send to him and submit here when completed. In the meantime, there's this response article titled "In Defense of the Poem" by Jonathan A. Baker. Refer back to post 51 for other informative reading materials.
     
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  7. Soul

    Soul Servant

    Thank you, and likewise, I must say that your contributions are invaluable.

    I'm so happy to hear that, as have I, all gratitude to God.

    Precisely.

    Well said.
     
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  8. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    I think we should call a moratorium on further M. V. discussion on the forum until more guidance from the Magisterium is forthcoming. (Until then I don’t think any lay response to Fr. Pacwa’s article will change anything. And I have never seen a reason to change my decades long negative gut impression in this regard.)
     
  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I agree with you, Brian.
     
  10. Soul

    Soul Servant

    "A moratorium is a temporary suspension of an activity or law until future consideration warrants lifting the suspension, such as if and when the issues that led to the moratorium have been resolved. A moratorium may be imposed by a government, regulators, or a business.

    Moratoriums are often imposed in response to temporary financial hardships. For example, a business that has exceeded its budget might place a moratorium on new hiring until the start of its next fiscal year. In legal proceedings, a moratorium can be imposed on an activity such as a debt collection process during bankruptcy proceedings.

    Key Takeaways
    • A moratorium is a temporary halt of business as usual, or a suspension of some law or regulation.
    • Most of the time, moratoriums are intended to alleviate short-term financial hardship or provide time to resolve related issues.
    • In bankruptcy law, a moratorium is a legally mandated hiatus in debt collection from creditors."

    That term doesn't apply to discussion on Maria Valtorta.
     
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  11. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    On the contrary, on MOG Padraig does indeed decide where and when moratoriums apply.
     
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  12. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Ah, I see Padraig has locked this thread. I guess a moratorium has indeed been applied.
     
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