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Fr Radcliffe OP expands the meaning of fertility to include gay sex

But not every marriage is fertile in this way. We must avoid having a mechanistic or simplistic understanding of fertility. Jesus speaks a fertile word: This is my body, given for you. He is God’s fertile word. And surely it is in the kind and healing words that we offer each other that
we all share in fertility of that most intimate moment. When Jesus met Peter on the shore after Easter, he offers him a word that renews their relationship. Three times he asks him; ‘Do you love me more than these others?’ He allows him to undo his threefold denial. Sexual fertility cannot be separated from the exchange of words that heal, that recreate and set free.

Great appointment . Bravo

 

Its frightening the extent that some will go to in order to excuse the inexcusable.

 

"I have no doubt that God does call homosexuals to the priesthood, and they are among the most dedicated and impressive priests I have met. ... And we may presume that God will continue to call both homosexuals and heterosexuals to the priesthood because the Church needs the gifts of both."
- Fr. Timothy Radcliffe

 

Can anyone imagine Pope Benedict making such a scandalous appointment?!?



http://www.catholicnews.com/
CNS STORY: Pope, in book, says homosexuality incompatible with priesthood

BOOK-HOMOSEXUALITY Nov-24-2010 (420 words) xxxi

Pope, in book, says homosexuality incompatible with priesthood


Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, holds a copy of the pope's book as he speaks about it during a press conference at the Vatican Nov. 23. (CNS/Paul Haring)
By John Thavis
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In his new book, Pope Benedict XVI strongly reaffirmed church teaching that homosexual acts are "disordered" and said homosexuality itself is "incompatible" with the priesthood.

The pope's comments came in his new book-interview, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times," which was published Nov. 23.

The interviewer, German journalist Peter Seewald, asked the pope whether the church's teaching that homosexuals deserve respect isn't contradicted by its position that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."

The pope answered: "No. It is one thing to say that they are human beings with their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it."

"At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual," he said. "The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future."

The pope said the church needs to hold firm on this point, "even if it is not pleasing to our age."

He said it was still an open question whether homosexual inclinations are innate or arise early in life. In any case, he said, if these are strong inclinations, it represents "a great trial" for the homosexual.

"But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed," he said.

When Seewald said that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, even if not acted out, the pope responded: "Well, that is just one of the miseries of the church. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively."

"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.

The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.

The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully, "to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality."

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ound-stuck-in-lift-with-rent-boy-8721296.html
Pope's bank clean-up man 'found stuck in lift with rent boy'

Pope Francis waves on his arrival at the Pontiff's residence of Castel Gandolfo, near Rome
But Pope Francis’s new banker appears to possess none of these attributes after it was reported yesterday that he was found stuck in a lift with a rent boy. Msgr Ricca, as Francis’s new primate with responsibility for the troubled financial institution, known officially as the IoR (Institute for Religious Works), is supposed to usher in new transparency and badly needed reforms after years of financial scandal.

Earlier this month, a major report from finance police and magistrates warned that a lack of checks and controls by the IoR and the Italian financial institutions it had dealings with made the Vatican’s bank a money-laundering hot spot.

It is claimed that Msgr Ricca, 57, impressed Francis with the way he ran three key residences used by cardinals, bishops and priests visiting Rome. But detailed claims have emerged detailing how in 1999, Ricca took a Vatican diplomatic posting in Uruguay and moved his lover, Patrick Haari, a Swiss army captain, in with him, to the outrage of church figures and locals in the conservative South American nation. Captain Haari was forced out by the hardline Polish nuncio Janusz Bolonek in 2001.

But there were more problems for Ricca when he was attacked in a cruising ground that year, and soon after firemen had to rescue him from a broken lift, in which he was trapped with a youth known by local police. The weekly news magazine L’Espresso claims that Msgr Ricca was able to get the position as IoR prelate because the supposedly powerful “gay lobby” in the Vatican airbrushed his colourful CV.

Gay sex scandals at the Vatican have made the headlines before. In 2010 it emerged that one of Pope Benedict’s ceremonial ushers and a member of the Vatican choir were involved in a gay prostitution ring.

Vatican spokesman Padre Federico Lombardi sought to dismiss the claims about Msgr Ricca’s private life. “What has been claimed about Msgr Ricca is not credible,” he said. Msgr Ricca himself has not yet responded to the allegations. But La Repubblica noted that the Vatican had emphasised that his appointment as prelate for the IoR was technically an interim one, thus raising the possibility that the job might not last long.

 

Wake up folks.

http://protectthepope.com/?p=9494
Dissenting on homosexuality Fr Timothy Radcliffe OP is a keynote speaker at Dublin’s 2014 Divine Mercy Conference
Fr Timothy Radcliffe OP, well-known liberal and dissenter, has bizarrely been chosen to be one of the keynote speakers at Dublin’s 2014 International Conference on Divine Mercy. Fr Radcliffe openly dissents on the Church’s teaching on homosexuality and Holy Communion for the divorced and re-married. Fr Timothy Radcliffe OP frequently celebrated Mass for the gay dissent group the Soho Masses Pastoral Council. During the reign of Pope Benedict XVI Fr Timothy Radcliffe was stopped from speaking at the General Assembly of the Catholic development agencies. Fr Radcliffe is well known for his liberal positions on morality, including his public opposition to the Church’s teaching on homosexuality.

The Divine Mercy Conference website states:

Divine Mercy Conference 2014
The first International Conference of Divine Mercy was held in the R.D.S. over 23 years ago. We celebrate our 23rd conference 2014 in the knowledge that Sister Faustina is now Saint Faustina. The theme of the first conference was “Mercy Our Mission”. The theme and the speakers were the product of much prayer and discernment by a committee of men and women gathered together in Eucharistic adoration under the spiritual direction of Fr. Cathal Price.’

Fr Timothy Radcliffe OP will be speaking on both Saturday and Sunday.

A selection of Fr Radcliffe’s writings expressing dissent from the Church’s teaching:

Fr Radcliffe gave the following contribution to the Church of England ‘s review of homosexuality and gay marriage:

Fr Radcliffe OP expands the meaning of fertility to include gay sex

But not every marriage is fertile in this way. We must avoid having a mechanistic or simplistic understanding of fertility. Jesus speaks a fertile word: This is my body, given for you. He is God’s fertile word. And surely it is in the kind and healing words that we offer each other that
we all share in fertility of that most intimate moment. When Jesus met Peter on the shore after Easter, he offers him a word that renews their relationship. Three times he asks him; ‘Do you love me more than these others?’ He allows him to undo his threefold denial. Sexual fertility cannot be separated from the exchange of words that heal, that recreate and set free.

How does all of this bear on the question of gay sexuality? We cannot begin with the question of whether it is permitted or forbidden! We must ask what it means, and how far it is Eucharistic. Certainly it can be generous, vulnerable, tender, mutual and non-violent. So in many ways, I would think that it can be expressive of Christ’s self-gift.

We can also see how it can be expressive of mutual fidelity, a covenantal relationship in which two people bind themselves to each other for ever. But the proposed legislation for ‘gay marriage’ imply that it is not understood to be inherently unitive, a becoming one flesh. [...]

And what about fertility? I have suggested that one should not stick to a crude, mechanistic understanding of fertility. Biological fertility is inseparable from the fertility of our mutual tenderness and compassion. And so that might seem to remove one objection to gay marriage. I am not entirely convinced, since it seems to me that our tradition is incarnational, the word becoming bodily flesh. And some heterosexual relationships may be accidentally infertile in this sense, but homosexual ones are intrinsically so.

Sexual ethics is about what our acts say. And I have the impression that we are not very sure of what gay sexual acts signify. Maybe we need to ask gay Christians who have been living in committed relationships for years. I suspect that sex will turn out to be rather unimportant.’

Fr Radcliffe on Holy Communion for Catholics who are divorced and re-married:

I would conclude with two profound hopes. That a way will be found to welcome divorced and remarried people back to communion. And, most important, that women will be given real authority and voice in the church. The pope expresses his desire that this may happen, but what concrete form can it take? He believes that the ordination of women to the ministerial priesthood is not possible, but decision-making in the church has become ever more closely linked to ordination in recent years. Can that bond be loosened? Let us hope that women may be ordained to the diaconate and so have a place in preaching at the Eucharist. What other ways can authority be shared?’

Protect the Pope comment: It is frankly ridiculous seeing a photograph of Fr Timothy Radclife OP on the home page of Dublin’s 2014 Divine Mercy Conference alongside photographs of St Faustina, Blessed John Paul II and Blessed Fr Sopoko. How could the organising committee of men and women who prayed and discerned who to invite as speakers choose a liberal priest well-known for his dissent from the Church’s teaching? Their decision is incredible.

http://divinemercyconference.com/

 

I've (unfortunately) read several other comments posted and the vitriol against the Supreme Pontiff us abhorrent. Perhaps the schism will cone, but I wonder from what direction at times. Prayers for all. Peace.

 

When it comes to this pope, I don't pay as much attention to what he says, as to what he does, who he surrounds himself with and who he appoints or promotes.

'Personnel is policy.'

It is not vitriol to point out that he sometimes promotes men known for their heterodoxy on the issue of homosexuality; neither is it an attack on the Supreme Pontiff to make others aware of these facts.

 

I'm happy to read that I'm wrong then. Many of the comments here appear to be quite vitriolic against the The pope. I hope that comments I read at other sites and forums are in that same spirit. Peace.

 

Remember back in the day there were high hopes a new Pope might clean up the mess?

In their summary of his remarks , the pope said that in the Curia, "there are holy people, but there is also a stream of corruption ... the gay lobby is mentioned, and it is true, it is there.We need to see what we can do."


We need to see what we can do !!!

Appointments like this are not helpful.

 

This wasnt helpful either...

Francis holds hands with pro-homo priest
On March 21, 2014, Pope Francis visited St. Gregory VII parish in Rome, just outside the Vatican, and held hands with Fr. Luigi Ciotti, above. The official goal of the visit was to pay homage to victims of the Mafia at a meeting that included prayers and speeches. Ciotti is the founder of Libera, an organization to combat the wrongdoings of the Mafia.

However, Ciotti is also a strong promoter of homosexuality and many other "social" causes that affiliate him with Communism, as was his great friend and mentor, Fr. Andrea Gallo, who passed away 10 months earlier. Incidentally, Gallo's funeral Mass, where Ciotti gave the panegyric, allowed free manifestation for homosexuals and communists

 

For those who prefer not to pay attention to the poison coming from the novusordo and similar websites, you can read about the work of Fr. Luigi Ciotti and why Pope Francis is so strongly supportive of it from these sites:

http://ncronline.org/news/global/italian-priest-unfazed-death-threats-goes-after-mafia

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1403656.htm

http://www.catholicireland.net/italian-bishops-rally-priest-threatened-mafia/

http://americamagazine.org/issue/pope-francis-and-local-bishops-take-mafia

 

I read a lot myself.....sighhh! By some of the comments, I felt isis is the least of Pope Francis worries ! that's when Fr posted....

St Michael protect our Holy Father.

 

It is way too easy to cut and paste stuff from the internet and post it on here to promote a certain spin on events. This is a form of 'tabloid' Catholicism.

This is lazy, Mac and I am disappointed.

For the record the source of the above cut and pasted quote is - traditioninaction.org -

I also see they had a go at Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a013htMotherTeresa.htm

 

same arguments were made against our Blessed Lord...

Matthew 9:10
And as he sat at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Jesus and his disciples

Matthew 9:11
And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

Matthew 9:13
Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Matthew 11:19
the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”
Mark 2:17
And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Our Lord came to Reconcile sinners to the Father

2 Corinthians 5:18
All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:19
that is, God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Time is short,Pope Francis is snatching souls up,to anyone who listens

[ The Parable of the Lost Sheep ] Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him.
Luke 15:2
And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”

 

In general.

The Catholic Church is the sworn enemy of the dark one and therefore it follows she will be attacked (but by her own)...???

The church is under attack do you dare attack her more? Let the wise amongst you reflect on this.

And for you that says 'but what about the errors; should we not point them out' be careful here that you do not do the dark ones work. For the more bad news it sees about the Catholic Church the more it rejoices.

Love your enemy - that way - the devil can not make ground but if to the contrary: he will look to divide; where he can and will pick many off one by one - for where is your shepherd said the wolf.

God bless!

 

Having checked the Italian original, the problem isn't the English translation. If the Pope had actually said the words attributed to him by Scalfari's March 2015 piece for Repubblica, then this would indeed be pure heresy, no doubt about it, because what Scalfari imputes to him is indeed annihilationism, i.e. the idea that those who do not make the Beatific Vision simply cease to exist. To this extent the fact that the ultra-traditionalists are sounding the alarm is fully understandable. Scalfari's March 2015 is nothing new in this respect: he had already made the claim that this is Pope Francis's theology in a Repubblica article in September 2014, outrageously saying that for the Pontiff there is neither hell nor purgatory(!!)

HOWEVER, it needs to be said with the greatest possible clarity that Pope Francis's public statements absolutely affirm the existence of hell (for example his March 2014 warning to the Mafia that they must repent or face hell). His most recent reference on the subject was made in Tor Bella Monica (March 2015) when answering a young girl scout's question of how hell can exist if God forgives everything:
[...] 'voi sapete che c’era un angelo molto orgoglioso, era molto intelligente. E lui aveva invidia di Dio, voleva il posto di Dio. E Dio ha voluto perdonarlo, ma lui diceva: “Io non ho bisogno di perdono, io sono sufficiente a me stesso!” Questo è l’Inferno, dire a Dio: “Arrangiati tu, che io mi arrangio da solo”. All’Inferno non ti mandano: ci vai tu, perché tu scegli di essere lì. L’Inferno è volere allontanarsi da Dio perché io non voglio l’amore di Dio. Questo è l’Inferno. Hai capito? Il diavolo è all’Inferno perché lui non ha voluto mai un rapporto con Dio”.
You know that there was a very proud angel, he was very intelligent. And he envied God, he wanted God's place. And God wanted to forgive him, but he said: "I don't need forgiveness, I am sufficient for myself!" This is Hell, saying to God: "Take care of yourself, I manage on my own". You are not sent to Hell: you go there, because you choose to be there. Hell is wanting to distance oneself from God because I do not want God's love. This is Hell. Have you understood? The Devil is in Hell because he has never wanted a relationship with God".
(Video (Italian): http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/me...aca-ae67ba6f-522d-466f-947a-7af5d10a48e0.html
see also official Vatican report in English: http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-open-your-hearts-to-jesus-mercy )
As for purgatory, Pope Francis has also taught explicitly on the subject, for example in a General Audience in October 2013 affirming the doctrine of the Communion of the Saints, the indissoluble link between the Church on the Earth, in Purgatory and in Heaven:
http://www.ilsussidiario.net/News/C...i-e-chi-e-in-Purgatorio-o-in-Paradiso/440045/

In other words, Scalfari has no credibility whatever when he puts words into the mouth of the Pope. What is alarming is that, judging by the evidence, this is not simply a case of a 90 year-old having a memory lapse about a conversation; what we have here is a deliberate attempt at manipulation. There are real questions here IMHO, but the last thing they concern is Pope Francis's orthodoxy -
i) why did the Vatican Press Office not make a clear rebuttal of the March 2015 article considering in its gravity? Are they asleep at the wheel?
ii) is Scalfari acting alone or does he have some ... er... theological 'consultants' preparing material for him?
iii) why after the Vatican website pulled the Scalfari interviews did a Vatican publisher put them out in book form? Who is responsible for this and what is their agenda? Are they simply naïve or is someone deliberately attempting to muddy the waters?

 

Having a go at Mother Teresa? Oh,dear! When I see this kind of stuff it reminds me of a quote from the comic Robin Williams: "Somewhere in New Delhi, there's a drunk in a bar saying, "Gandhi? I knew Gandhi. He was an ass!"

 

There is only one man on earth who can cut through the fog and clarify. And he refuses to do so. People can read into this many things. But don't judge people who read into his silence that the agenda being put forward is his.

 

There is 'fog' only for those not paying attention to Pope Francis or who are trying to 'fit' his words into their own mindset.