The final solution for the problem...

If we are to give credence to Malachi Martin's words, there has to be a lesser known part of the secret of Fatima that specifically links the final conversion of Russia to Kiev, which will happen "a little late, but not too late."

I happen to be one of those who give credibility to Malachi Martin's words and I think that Kiev's role in this context of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary will have much more to do with the Kiev-based Ukrainian Catholic Church than with Zelensky or any other eventual future political leader of Ukraine and his foreign allies.

 

I believe this is the case, but the church doesn't have to mean only the church authorities in Kiev. The church is the whole body of catholics, in all of Ukraine, whose leadership is in Kiev. This is where the message I posted earlier regarding Hrushiv makes a lot of sense in relation to Malachi Martin's words. The great suffering of the church in Ukraine is happening, and is paving the way to the conversion of Russia.

If I can use Rome as a synonym for the Catholic Church, which is world wide. Why couldn't Kiev be used to refer to the general church Ukraine. Or a representation of both the church and government.

We have the prophecy of Malachi, we have the Hrushiv prophecy, we have the current war in Ukraine, and we have all the other prophecy unfolding worldwide. So to make the leap, that the use of the word Kiev, to mean the body of the faithful in Ukraine isn't so far in my opinion.

 

Could the conversion of Russia form part of a peace settlement? Perhaps a concession of the already annexed lands to Russia, an agreement by the remaining Ukraine to become a neutral buffer between Russia and NATO with a rapprochement between the Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church being a concession on the part of Russia?

 

I really do not know, but prophecy seems to suggest otherwise. Especially in relation to MJJ who has been very accurate thus far. There is a prophecy of Alois Irlmaier, whose prophecy is parallel to that of MJJ, which is as follows.

In Russia a revolution breaks out and a civil war. The corpses are so much that you cannot remove them off the roads anymore. The cross comes to honours anew. The Russian people believe in God anew. The large ones among the party leaders commit suicide and in the blood the great gulity is washed off. I see a red mass, mixed with yellow faces, it is a general riot and horrable killing. Then they sing the Easter song and burn candles in front of sacral pictures. By the prayer of the Christianity the monster of hell dies; also the young people believe anew in the intercession of the God’s mother.
https://dn790005.ca.archive.org/0/items/AloisIrlmailer/arlois.pdf

It seems like after Russia has chastised the west, it gets its own chastisement and purification. Which makes sense, because if we are moving into an era of peace, everything has to be cleaned up there. There seems to be some kind of miracle which has people convert, and has politicians kill themselves, which appears to involve Our Lady.

 

Yes, we are perfectly in agreement on this, Kiev in this case means more than one place, it represents the entire body of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.

The majority of Ukrainian Catholics are of the Byzantine rite, therefore, when we talk about Ukrainian Catholics, we are essentially talking about the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Orthodox rite and tradition, Catholic faith and obedience to the Pope of Rome. The best example of what will one day be the conversion of Russia.

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church was practically extinguished under the Soviet regime and rose from the ashes after the consecrations of the world carried out by Pope John Paul II, quickly becoming the largest and most flourishing of the 23 sui juris eastern rite churches within the Catholic Church. And this church recently transferred its headquarters from Lviv to Kiev, thus becoming a truly national church.
https://zenit.org/2005/08/22/ukrainian-greek-catholic-church-moves-headquarters-to-kiev/

Therefore, Kiev symbolizes the entire Ukrainian national Catholic church that has reached its maturity. This process of growth of the Ukrainian Catholic Church towards Kiev and the East is certainly the foundation of the conversion of the future Russia.

Patriarchal Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ in Kiev, on the left bank of the Dnipro River:

 

There is a prophecy by Sister Elena Aiello that says Russia will be largely destroyed by fire, which strongly resembles the punishment foretold in Akita. I believe Moscow could be wiped off the map in this great catastrophe, while Kyiv would become the new political and spiritual capital of a converted Russia, reinterpreting the city's maternal role in the Christianization of Russia. After the tribulation, which will change the maps of the entire world, fragmented Russia and Ukraine could once again become a single nation in faith and territory.

GOOD FRIDAY (APRIL 7) 1950
Sister Elena Aiello asked Our Blessed Mother: “What will become of Italy? Will Rome be saved?”
“The Madonna answered:” ‘In part, by the Pope. The Church will be in travail, but the forces of Hell cannot prevail! You must suffer for the Pope and Christ, and thus Christ will be safe on earth; and the Pope, with his redemptive word, will, in part, save the world.’

“The Madonna then came closer, and with a sad expression, showed me the flames of Hell. She said:” ‘Satan reigns and triumphs on earth! See how the souls are falling into Hell. See how high the flames are, and the souls who fall into them like flakes of snow, looking like transparent embers! How many sparks! How many cries of hate, and of despair! How much pain!’

‘See how many priestly souls! Look at the sign of their consecration in their transparent hands! (In the palms of their hands the sign of the cross, in more vivid fire, could clearly be seen!) What torture, my daughter, in my maternal Heart! Great is my sorrow to see that men do not change! The justice of the Father requires reparation — otherwise many will be lost!’

“See how Russia will burn!” Before my eyes there extended an immense field covered with flames and smoke, in which souls were submerged as if in a sea of fire.

“And all this fire,” concluded the Madonna, “is not that which will fall from the hands of men, but will be hurled directly from the Angels (at the time of the great chastisement or purification that will come upon the earth). Therefore I ask prayers, penance and sacrifice, so I may act as Mediatrix for my Son in order to save souls.”

https://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/09/blessed-elena-aiello-mystic-stigmatic.html?m=1

 

Wasn't Kiev at one time the capital of Russia? I only say this, because I get the sense somehow that maybe Our Lady is indicating that Ukraine and Russia are in fact one people, in the message of Fatima.

Also, I very much like where you went with the entirety of your post. I believe you are correct regarding Ukraine converting Russia in this manner, especially since the Hrushiv message indicates this possibility. Our Lady also said times are coming that are foretold as the end times. She also mentions that Russia will be converted by the blood of martyrs in the same message. So I get the impression that Russia won't convert, until the Jews have, because it seems like the Jews conversion is what's needed to meet the threshold for justice.

 

This seems like Revelation 20:9
They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

 

Malachi Martin may have just had the two linked in his mind, and that's why he said this. Like gods n' goddesses or peanut butter and jelly.

 

Really enjoyed reading this discussion. Just looked up the Primate of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church,
Sviatoslav Shevchuk.
What a great name.

 

Kiev would have been the capital of a group of Slavic peoples located in Eastern Europe called Kievan Rus', in an area that currently corresponds to much of Ukraine, Belarus and the westernmost part of Russia. I think the country names Russia and Belarus derive from Kievan Rus'.


Source of the map: https://whbailey.weebly.com/kievan-rus.html

 

I can only give you my opinion on this matter, which is no... Ukraine's independence was recognized by the Church, by Pope John Paul II who made a pastoral visit to that nation.

The conversion of Russia will be something great and clearly seen by the whole world and recognized as a result of the intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. After that, I believe that Russia will have a world leadership position in forming the new Catholic World Order. Until then, we must expect the worst from Russia and we've already begun to see it. But this is just my opinion, speculating based on the data known so far, and my opinion is no more valid than others on this matter.

 

Yes, he is a great religious leader and, personally, I believe that God has great plans in store for him. Time will tell if I was wrong.

 

Don't forget, the Rus were Norse originally.

 

Yes, thank you for clarifying. I agree, I think Fr. Martin wanted to say that Ukraine and Russia are part of the final solution.

 

The devil, through the Nazis, attempted the first 'Final Solution'. The final Final Solution will be its antithesis. The first was merely murderous, the Second will be blessedly salvific.

 

Yes, history will repeat itself . Russia is like the murderous thug Saul who killed a lot of the first Christians in the Holy Land. Ukrainians must be like the first martyr St. Stephen who forgave and prayed for Saul. Not a lot of Catholics know that it was through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary to her Son our Lord Jesus Christ that Saul was finally converted in the road to Damascus.

 

Ukrainian Church's Struggle for Patriarchate Status Amid War and Vatican Resistance



After two years of war, faced with terrifying destruction, the refusal of the Vatican and the resistance of Pope Francis to elevate the Greek-Catholic Church of Kiev to a Patriarchate becomes increasingly inexplicable for Ukrainians. Currently, this religious entity is not a Patriarchate although it wishes to be one. It would be a symbolic recognition of much suffering. The major archbishop, Svyatoslav Shevchuk – a symbolic and very popular figure who never abandoned the Ukrainian capital under the bombs and who ended up on the Russian target list – hopes that it is only a matter of time. However, the recognition is still pending, as is his cardinalate. Everything will depend on Bergoglio's evaluation. The Ukrainian bishops: «It will not be easy to explain to the people that the Pope is not pro-Russian, his popularity is at 3%» In the past, this Church was persecuted by the communists, then with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the USSR, it was officially authorized in 1989 to operate publicly and no longer clandestinely thanks to an agreement between Soviet President Gorbachev and John Paul II. In the following 30 years, it developed structures, multiplied interventions, and strengthened believers and priests despite the age-old and very firm antipathy of the Moscow Patriarchate which has always considered Ukrainian Greek-Catholics as “Uniates” (a term used with disdain), practically traitors. Today, with 4.3 million believers, the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church is the largest of the Eastern churches and Pope Francis may not be able to hold back this transition forever considering the role it has played during the war. An elevation of this Church to the status of Patriarchate would certainly have no internal significance, although it would certainly have repercussions with Moscow, making relations between the Vatican and the Russian Patriarchate even more tense. For Francis, it is a dilemma. The antipathy of Patriarch Kirill is notorious and fully reciprocated. Svyatoslav Shevchuk recently compared the Moscow Patriarchate to the ISIS militia. Practically terrorists, fanatics, cutthroats. «They have the same instrumentalization of religion as the Islamic State, only on one side there is Islamic fundamentalism and on the other Christian fundamentalism» explained the archbishop to the German agency KNA. The reference was to the proclamations of holy war to eradicate the satanic evil of the West and to reconquer Ukraine as in the times of the Tsarist empire. Ukraine, the Archbishop of Kiev to European pacifists: «How can we stop Russian tanks without weapons?» The archbishop knows that his life is in constant danger. In 2022, Russian paratroopers had an exact plan of his house if only Kiev had been taken. «All of us who represent the identity and dignity of the Ukrainian nation, not only the religious people but also the artists and intellectuals, would have been immediately executed, as in the times of Stalin.» A Russian victory in the war of aggression against Ukraine would be «a global catastrophe», he warns; «the first step towards a global confrontation in the near future». In his opinion, Russia must recognize «that there is a Ukrainian nation with its own language, history, church, and statehood». His dream is that Ukrainian families all over the world «return home and have the safety and courage to give birth to new generations of Ukrainians in their homeland». Pope Francis appoints 21 new cardinals: who are the Italians (the next consistory on September 30) In 2016 (two years after the Russian annexation of Crimea) when Pope Francis had the opportunity to meet and embrace Patriarch Kirill in Cuba, he signed a declaration in which a passage «deplored the conflict in Ukraine that has already caused many victims, countless wounds to peaceful inhabitants, and plunged society into a severe economic and humanitarian crisis» and then invited the respective churches «to refrain from participating in the conflict and not to support further development of the conflict». A passage that was not appreciated by Archbishop Shevchuk who pointed out that «Ukraine is a victim of external aggression: we do not want and certainly do not support war, but we cannot say that a people does not have the right to defend itself. We are against war and appeal to the Pope and the international community to stop the aggressor. No Ukrainian Church has supported this external aggression. The wording of the text risks being a cover for the aggressor, or the admission that the Russian Church has a role in this whole conflict».

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Source:
https://www.ilmessaggero.it/en/ukra...nd_vatican_resistance-8185307.html?refresh_ce

 

Very few can notice these small details, but the fact that the largest Eastern-rite Catholic church does not yet have the status of a patriarchal church is for exactly the same reason that the popes refused to refer explicitly to "Russia" in solemn acts of consecration. And the reason is not to offend the schismatic Russian Orthodox Church by calling for the "conversion of Russia".

The same schismatic church used by the Soviet communist regime to annihilate the Greek Catholic Church.
The same schismatic church that infiltrated the Second Vatican Council due to an agreement with Pope John XXII.
The same Church that continues today to prevent Catholicism from growing in Russia and supports the Putinist regime in the persecution of Catholics in Ukraine.

 

Malachi Martin mentioned Russia, Ukraine and Kiev by name linked to the 3rd secret -

Now as regards the mystery of Fatima it still stands…. So Russia is within the plans. Why? Err….that would take me too far afield into papal secrets. Why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem. But they are. They are part-and-parcel and it’s really God’s choice. And it is purely and simply God’s choice. Like he chose the Jews. He has His own favorite solutions. I wouldn’t have chosen Russians or Kiev or The East for salvation. But salvation is to come from the East

https://onepeterfive.com/third-secret-fatima-kiev/

Given the current global situation this is quite the revelation - one of the most accurate hits of contemporary prophecy, it gets a WOW from me.

I await for Russia 'with its secret armies' to invade the West in a surprise attack -- any day now?