You might be overthinking this whole topic. Remember Mary is trying to talk to a 12 year girl with the education and emotional understanding of an 8 year old ! I'd like see you explain this difficult topic to an 8 year old without using complex terms and examples. Mary puts it in simple terms she can understand and also confirms the universality of Christ's redemption, but also to His unfathomable supremacy recapitulating all created realities, visible and invisible. Just because you do not understand it, doesn't mean it isn't a reality. Why is it that men always put limitations on God ?
Tomdarius said : "Several issues were thrown against the validity of Garabandal such as: the physical deformities the children exhibited when in ecstasy, running in all fours, running backwards, contorting themselves, etc. the children of Fatima certainly never endured anything like that. Some might have suspected it as a diabolical deception. " First of all, who said every Marian appariton has to be the same ? Because they ALL are different . Secondly people who try and throw this lame insult at apparitions ,have no idea of what really happened. The Girls always watched the Virgin Mary as they walked, sometimes forward and sometimes backward over the rocky cow paths. The walking backward especially (which is more impressive) has been suggested as diabolical by opponents of Garabandal. When in fact ,the girls always walked backwards away from the blessed sacrament, rather than turning their backs on it, as it's the case today for many in our Churches. Just because the girls walked backwards does not indicate anything demonic, especially when they carried crucifixes and recited the rosary while walking ! These ecstatic marches were not a diabolical sign but instead ,the opposite, another sign of authenticity of the apparitions, allowed by Heaven and also as a reminder of our obligations before the Blessed Sacrament. Third, they NEVER ran on all fours ! There has never been a printed story ,so its an out and out lie ! Fourth ,the girls never "contorted themselves, when they fell in ecstacy, EVERY picture shows them lying ext to each other ,and NEVER immodestly . It never occurred to the detractors ,that " falling on rocks " UNHARMED, might be a sing from God, it certainly doesn't prove anything demonic.
FR. LUIS ANDREU'S BODY INCORRUPT ? In 1977, impatient followers of this prophecy opened the tomb of Fr. Luis ( it had been moved from one cemetery to another. ) The question was presented to me many times, if they already dug up Fr. Luis Andreu’s body and it was decaying, does this negate the prophecy about he being found incorrupt ? Fr. Luis Andreu's corrupted body in NO WAY invalidates the prediction, why ? Conchita, in a letter dated August 2, 1964, wrote this to Father Ramon Andreu (his brother) “On July 18 (1964), I had a locution in which I was told that on the day after the miracle your brother (Fr. Luis Andreu) would be removed from his grave and his body would be intact.” SO infact , the Blessed Mother said it would be " THE DAY AFTER THE MIRACLE ", NOT BEFORE ! The prophecy is still valid until then. Consider this too, now that we know his body decayed, how much more of a greater miracle will it be when he is found incorrupt the day after the Miracle ?
IT IS ACTUALLY 4 POPES ( until the “ end of THE times “ ) Let me also address the misquoted and misunderstood prophecy about the popes. Conchita said after the death of JohnXXIII , there would be 4 more popes ,until the end of THE times,(NOT the end of all time ) meaning a new era begins. This is the era we are now in ( after the 4 popes Paul VI, JP I, JP II, Benedict ) it is now that we will experience the WARNING & MIRACLE under Pope Francis. Albrecht Weber, the author of the book “The Finger of God“, had become involved in Garabandal in 1963 and became friendly with Conchita. On November 14, 1965, the day after the last apparition of Our Lady in Garabandal, Mr. Weber interviewed Conchita at her home in the presence of her mother. There was also present with Mr. Weber an interpreter. During that interview, it came out that when Conchita had spoken, on the very day that Pope John XXIII died, of “Three more Popes and then would come the end of the times,” her mother had asked her several questions. In response to one of her mother’s questions, Conchita responded that Our Lady had actually said that there would be FOUR MORE POPES but that She was not counting one of them. When Conchita’s mother heard that she strictly forbade Conchita to repeat that again as her mother feared there would be erroneous interpretations and much gossip. People might wrongly believe that one of the Popes might be false or bad, etc. During that conversation with her mother, Conchita also said that Our Lady had told her that one of the Popes would have a very short reign. You must understand what Conchita was referencing . When she was told that there would be 4 more popes, then it would be" the end of the times" this meant an "end of an era." ( not the end of all time or the end of all popes ! ) The prophecy had nothing to do with the future number of popes, it was MARKING A PERIOD IN TIME.
Glenn, do you mean "from this moment on under a Pope after Ben XVI"? Or do you mean under specifically the pontificate of Francis? Thanks for your input in this thread
The existence of aliens does not give me any doubt in this apparition, I have a friend, who receives poems from God, and she said in a locution, that God told her they are real. The book of Enoch while apocryphal speaks of aliens, there are so many instances that cannot be explained in history concerning aliens. I try not to lean on my own understanding as it is so limited, but this does not cause me to question Garabandal. I also watched a video, of a man's near death experience, and apparently he'd asked Jesus about aliens, and was given a slide show of the different kinds and was told it was best not to have anything to do with them, there was good ones, but also ones with bad intentions.
Simply from a secular point of view, who is it then that has been video taped thousands of times flying in the skies of every country in the world for the last 50 + years, if it's not us ?
A very learned priest (and exorcist) I know explained it this way... A. If aliens exist: 1. and they have not sinned, they are like the angels and have perfect knowledge. They would not interact with mankind as they are aware of our fallen nature and God's Will. 2. and they have sinned, they would need to be redeemed by Christ. However as Christ did not suffer, die, and rise from the dead multiple times, it was done so in our time (only once) and by His taking on human flesh. Redemption was therefore tied into the human race and not of some alien form (either in space or time)
Glenn, is it true that the apparition at Garabandal spoke of aliens? If so, what was the message? Where can one find source material on this matter?
It's possible refers to the intraterrestial beings, a kind of race that lives in the middle of the earth. If im not wrong, St John Bosco saw these beings in his visions...
I'm sorry, but I have not studied Garabandal to the extent as some, and therefore I feel it would be unwise, unfair engage on what was said there. But I will say above all thats said: Trust in Jesus! God bless!
He didn't meet, he saw in his dreams some type of "human" race that we don't imagine that they exist. He saw the entrance of their habitat near some caverns somewhere near Chile, Andes etc. Memorie Biografiche di Don Giovanni Bosco. - Fr Giovani Batista
Days after, Conchita, again in ecstasy, was heard asking her Vision if these mysterious beings are like us, sinners? - "They are like men, tainted alike by sin, but also redeemed by Christ just like men," was the new astonishing answer! These new revelations made to Conchita were to appear so exceptional to Fr. Lucio Rodrigo, S.J., when he learned about them, that, after an uneasy first impression, and then, after reflection, he went out to write that "it would well be that the Blessed Virgin, and through Her, Our Lord, were lifting the veil of a mystery which broadens in that way the dimensions of the Kingdom of Our Lord (and of the Most Blessed Virgin), so to include other rational creatures, which could, of course, not be angels (. . .)". (Letter, October 22, 1965, to the Marques de Santa Maria). True, the above revelations of this December 20, 1962, should they be confirmed by existing new documents not yet available to us, and also by Conchita herself, they would take us to give a new look at the absolute universality of Christ's redemption, but also to His unfathomable supremacy recapitulating all created realities, visible and invisible, even the mysterious Cosmic powers. So, couldn't we at least presume that the above-reported revelations were simply recalling, if also "confirming" a true kerygmatic truth, an article of the Church early Creed? Future and larger works on Garabandal, based on numerous authentic original sources, should present it all in a much more detailed way. As for the Scriptural foundation (mainly 1 Cor, Rom, Col, Eph, and Peter I and II), we can do no better for the time being than to indicate among the numerous exegetical works bearing on this still mysterious aspect of Christian faith, the major study of M. Combe, "Puissances celestes" ("Cosmic Powers,") in the Dictionnaire de la Bible-Supplement--DBS--vol. 9, col 336-381. [From 'Garabandal' Book, pages 160-161]
