The Divine Will

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  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The very mission we all have is to know, love and serve God in this life so as to be with him forever in the life to come. But, we won't serve God if we to not love Him and we will not love Him if we do not know Him. So yes, knowledge of God is essential on our journey.
     
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  2. Mario

    Mario Powers

    lynnfiat,

    The knowledge He offers through his chosen instruments is important. But as we assimilate it, each of us must apply it in our lives as the Lord leads. Thus, the right understanding of knowledge has a personal thrust. A scripture come to mind:

    1 Chronicles 26: 12 Among these were the divisions of the gatekeepers, among the chief men, having duties just like their brethren, to serve in the house of the Lord. 13 And they cast lots for each gate, the small as well as the great, according to their father's house. 14 The lot for the East Gate fell to Shelemiah. Then they cast lots for his son Zechariah, a wise counselor, and his lot came out for the North Gate...

    I think The directions I perceive in adhering to the Divine Will in my own life should be brought before an objective, wise counselor. O Lord, provide each of us with such a one we can trust!

    :):coffee:

    Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
     
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  3. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    Mario,

    A wise counselor is a great blessing. But these are extraordinary times. I think this gift of living in the Divine Will was reserved for this time of gross darkness because it is crucial to "take the next right step", as Charlie J. preaches, without the luxury of time for discernment. Asking Jesus to take that step in me is that "shadow of His wings" which will be the only place of safety in this storm. We must learn His voice, and obey instantly to the urgings of the Holy Spirit. If we get it wrong, Jesus promises He'll make it right, in His will.
     
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  4. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    After I received the Knowledge of living in His Will (which is a miracle in itself!), I asked Jesus for a spiritual guide to help me to understand Luisa's writings and what had been given to me by Our Lord. At first he gave me a wonderful Nun who became such a help to me - and after a short time He took her away. After many times asking Him to grant me another one, He told me that He would teach me Himself - and that is exactly what He did. Sometimes those "spiritual guides" can be an obstacle if they do not understand the writings of Luisa (and others). Kathy, you are right in saying that we need to listen to His voice and obey. It is best to pray, pray, pray to find out what is God's Will and then move forward.
     
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  5. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Luisa says, "The Sanctity of living in the Divine Will is for all, or rather, to tell the truth, It is for all those who want It."
     
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  6. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    Lynn;

    My experience is exactly what you've described. I've been hesitant to say, "Jesus Himself directs me", because I didn't want to influence anyone AWAY from spiritual direction if that's what their called to. I think my walk has been designed this way to prepare me for this storm. Anyone who currently has a spiritual director will soon lose that luxury (unless you share physical space!)
     
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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Kathy,

    Your point is well made. After all, Joseph didn't have the luxury of spiritual direction...


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    when he had to get here in a hurry...


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    ;):)!

    Safe in the Care of St. Joseph!
     
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  8. One almost immediate effect of living in the Divine Will is that of a huge decrease in sin, one is conscious of doing all acts in Jesus, as if Jesus himself were doing these acts and so it is almost impossible to sin!
     
  9. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    Yes!!!!

    A couple of years ago John Martinez came on the forum to tell us about his visions of the refuges our Blessed Mother would use to protect her children during the storm. He said there would be no sin in the refuges, and this forum got out the pitchforks for him.
    I think what he was describing was communities living in the Divine Will.
     
  10. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    I have been sharpening my pitch fork since then. :)

    It is a huge statement to say a refuge would be sinless. I don't believe its possible on earth. As for spiritual guides, we should all ask God for a guide and sooner or later it will happen. As one gets spiritually stronger, one needs a spiritual director.

    Name me one rockstar saint that hasn't had one...not sure you can.

    :)
     
  11. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    From the Letters of Luisa: "How could anyone live without a Will so holy? It would be as though living without breathing, without motion, without the principle for which we have been created." "What I care about is that we live of Divine Will, because these are all the sighs, the yearnings of Jesus, and maybe even His tears as He does not see in us the purpose for which He created us."
    God created us to be holy as were our first parents before they fell into sin. He wants that we return to the order, the place, and the purpose for which He created us. We can do nothing o our own to attain that holiness, but He can do all things. I believe this is one of the reasons for our consecration to the Two Hearts. May the Divine Will come to reign on earth - soon!
     
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  12. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    Jesus taught us only one prayer. For the past 2,000 years the Church has been asking the Father "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." If this were not possible, Jesus wouldn't have taught us to pray for it. And if God's will is done on earth as it is in heaven, how does sin fit into that picture?

    Living in the Divine Will is not compatible with sin. Yes, we still have original sin, and we can still trip into sin; but there is an aversion to sin there, and an immediate repentance once it's discovered, in my experience.

    If our Blessed Mother gathers communities together in the Divine Will, they will be very different from the communities we know. I think that those who hold tightly to their pride and those who can't let go of their favorite sins will not be able to dwell there.
     
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  13. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The purification to come, along with the Warning will completely renew the hearts of the faithful and I believe with the abundance of sanctifying grace that comes with the Warning it is possible for the remnant to live apart from sin as was intended from the beginning. Anything is possible with God.
     
  14. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    "I ask dear Baby Jesus that He Himself bring you my sincere wises. During these days, you will prepare your heart in order to form it as a host in which the Divine Infant will come to be reborn in you." (from the letters of Luisa)
     
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  15. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Book of Heaven - October 19, 1922
    …. Look! In my Supreme Will reside all the internal acts done by my Humanity, just waiting to take to the road, as messengers. These acts were done for creatures and wish to make themselves known, to give of themselves. Because they cannot give of themselves, they feel imprisoned, and they ask, yea they beg, my Will to make them known so they can give forth the good they contain. I am like a poor mother who has carried her child a long time in her womb. If she cannot deliver the child when the moment of birth arrives she will do anything, even at the cost of her life, to deliver her child. Any delay of hours or days in the delivery seem to her like years or centuries because she longs for her
    child; she has already nurtured her child within her and has done everything necessary for the moment of birth. Only the actual birth is wanting. Such is my condition now, worse than that of a mother because I have carried this child within me for centuries; more than a childbirth, because it involves the delivery of all my human acts done in the Holiness of the Eternal Will as gifts to creatures. As they are given, my acts will transform the human acts of creatures into divine acts. These will adorn creatures with the most splendorous and multifaceted beauty. They will enable creatures to live with the Life of my Will. They will give creatures the worth, the effects and the good which my Will
    possesses.
     
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  16. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    Reading these passages just takes my breath away!
     
  17. Ecclesiasticus 2

    Ecclesiasticus 2 Principalities


    Thank you for this! My wife will truly be able to relate to this.
    "I am like a poor mother who has carried her child a long time in her womb. If she cannot deliver the child when the moment of birth arrives she will do anything, even at the cost of her life, to deliver her child. Any delay of hours or days in the delivery seem to her like years or centuries because she longs for her
    child; she has already nurtured her child within her and has done everything necessary for the moment of birth. Only the actual birth is wanting."

    We lost our third child Christa Janee our little "Christ's child" on her due date during a forced delivery due to an abruptio placentae which I'm sure you and Kathy both know is a premature separation of the placenta from the uterus.
    Who can relate to what Jesus is going through for us more than a mother who loved, nurtured and still longs for her little one? For years she felt she did not give enough to save her, even though she suffered for her for weeks after with an infection from the agony in delivering her.

    Oh, how much more does our Lord Jesus suffer in waiting and waiting for our "Yes" our actual re-birth in His love. He has thrown so much love so much grace and mercy to us and wishes to deliver us from the evil that restrains us, but our will needs to say "yes" to His. We need to be the final step to a united delivery. Why delay? Why wait? Has our Lord not suffered enough?
     
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  18. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Book of Heaven, November 7, 1937
    I felt my poor mind as though crowded by so many truths that Jesus made me write about the Divine Will; and I was thinking to myself: ‘Who knows when these truths on the Divine FIAT will come to light, and what good they will produce?’ My sweet Jesus, surprising me with His little visit, all goodness and tenderness told me: “My daughter, I too feel the love-need of making you see the order that these truths will have and the good they will produce. These truths on my Divine Will will form the day of my FIAT in the midst of the creatures. According to their knowledge, this day will be rising. So, as they begin to know the first truths which I have manifested to you, a most splendid dawn will arise - provided that they will have good will and the disposition to make their own life of these truths. However, these truths will also have the virtue of disposing the creatures, and of giving the light to many blind who don’t know my Will or love It.

    Then, once the dawn is risen, they will feel invested by a celestial peace, and more strengthened in the good. They, themselves, will yearn to know more truths, which will form the beginning of the day of my Divine Will. This beginning of the day will increase the Light and the Love; all things will turn into good for the creatures; passions will lose the power to make them fall into sin. One can say that they will feel the first order of the divine good, which will facilitate their actions for them. They will feel a strength with which they can do everything, since its primary virtue is exactly this: to inject in the soul a transformation of her nature in good. So, feeling the great good of the beginning of the day, they will long for the day to advance. They will then know more truths which will form the full day. In this full day they will vividly feel the Life of my Will within themselves - its joy and happiness, Its operative and creative virtue within them. They will feel the possession of my very Life, becoming the bearers of my Divine Will. The full day will provoke in them so much yearning to know more truths that, once known, they will form the full afternoon. In this, the creature will no longer feel alone: between her and my Will there will be no more separation. What my Will will do, she will do as well - operating together. All will be her own by right - Heaven, earth, and God Himself.

    Do you see then, how noble, divine and precious will be the scope of these truths which I made you write on my Divine Will in order to form the day of the creature? For some they will form the dawn; for some the beginning of the day; for some others the full day and, lastly, the full afternoon. These truths will form, according to their knowledge, the different categories of the souls who will live in my Will. One knowledge more, or one less, will make them rise or stay in the different categories. Knowledge will be the hand to boost them up to the higher categories - it will be the very life of the fullness of my Will within them. Therefore, I can say that with these truths I formed the day for whoever wants to live in my Divine Will - a day of Heaven, greater than Creation itself; not of sun or stars, because each truth has the virtue of creating our Life in the creature. Oh, how this surpasses the whole of Creation!
    Our Love surpassed everything in manifesting so many truths on my Divine Will. Our glory, on the part of the creatures, will be full, because they will possess our Life to glorify Us and to love Us.

    As far as the emerging of these truths goes, just as I had the power and the love to assist the one to whom I had to manifest them, in the same way I will have power and love to invest the creatures, and transform them into these very truths. And feeling their life, they will also feel a great need to give to the light what they feel within themselves. Therefore, don’t get worried. I, Who can do all, will do all and take care of all.”
     
  19. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    “The same happened with my Queen Mama. As She always operated in the unity of the light of the Supreme Will, all of Her acts, Her office of Mother, Her rights of Queen remained inseparable from Her Creator; so much so, that when the Divinity unleashes the acts of beatitude to make the whole Celestial Fatherland happy, It unleashes with them all the acts of the Celestial Mama. So, all the Saints feel invested, not only with Our joys and beatitudes, but also with the maternal love of their Mother, with the glory of their Queen, and with all of Her acts converted into joys for the whole Celestial Jerusalem. Every fiber of Her maternal Heart loves all the children of the Celestial Fatherland with love of Mother, and She shares Her joys of Mother and Her glory of Queen with everyone. So, on earth She was Mother of love and of sorrow for Her children, who cost Her so much, as much as the Life of Her Son God, and by virtue of the unity of the light of the Supreme Will which She possessed, Her acts remained inseparable from Ours; while in Heaven She is Mother of love, of joys and of glory for all of Her celestial children; so, all the Saints have greater love, more glory and more joys, by virtue of their Mother and Sovereign Queen. Therefore, I love so much one who lives in my Will, that I lower Myself to her, to do what she does together with her, to raise her up to the bosom of the Eternal One, to render her act one with her Creator.”
     
  20. Ecclesiasticus 2

    Ecclesiasticus 2 Principalities

    lynnfiat,
    Help me through my understanding!
    My understanding is that Luissa was taken through the process of how her writings will have an affect on all of us now in the preparation by our Lord which are the "first truths which I have manifested to you" but, our Lord takes it further and shows her that in time, His time, all will know the truth of His Divinity each person in their own degree or amount of understanding according to the amount of knowledge they know of God. "These truths will form, according to their knowledge, the different categories of the souls who will live in my Will".

    When is His day of Fiat in the midst of all of us? Do you see it past, present or in the future? Could it be at the warning /Illumination of conscience that the "most splendid dawn will arise"? Because further He says this will happen " provided that they will have good will and the disposition to make their own life of these truths. " Then He continues and says, "However, these truths will also have the virtue of disposing (virtue that arranges their minds in a new position of thought) the creatures, and of giving the light (the Lords fullness) to many blind who don’t know my Will or love It.(full of mercy is our Lord!) This seems to start in the dawn of our Lords day in placing His divinity within us. "For some they will form the dawn; for some the beginning of the day; for some others the full day and, lastly, the full afternoon. These truths will form." So it seems that each part of the day is a new category or placement for each according to their knowledge. "Knowledge will be the hand to boost them up to the higher categories - it will be the very life of the fullness of my Will within them. " At the end our Lord says that as He has done to Luissa in manifesting the first truths so He will do for us in His guidance and Love for all by His " power and love to invest the creatures, and transform them into these very truths. And feeling their life, they will also feel a great need to give to the light what they feel within themselves.
    Just trying to put things in order In my mind but, it really doesn't matter because when this happens it will be so glorious on "that day" when we will feel the truth and love within and can give back the love that was given!
     
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