The Divine Will

Fr. Robert Young discusses this passage here:
http://www.cin.org/divinewilltallahassee/RM061414-Vol-16-9.mp3

It's important to remember that Luisa's day revolved around the Eucharist. For decades, by the order of two consecutive Popes, a priest was designated as her confessor, and was under obedience to go to Luisa's room every day, bless her (relieving her of the petrified state she went into each night), and celebrate Mass in her room. For many years she was unable to keep down any food, so the Eucharist was her only nourishment.

 

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I just think its wonderful that so many Catholics (those that live in the Divine Will), now no longer need the sacraments of the Holy Catholic Church!

How liberated you must feel and especially in todays world!

No need to defend the truth as you have been relieved of that.

You now live in Lusia's truth which is a denial of Catholic dogma and Tradition, and according to Lusia's Jesus, Catholic Sacraments are not needed. Congradulations!!!

The new agers will love you, Well done!!!

 

I feel I love Him alone, so much so, that I can be without You Mama!

All the great saints and Doctors of the church have stated that Mary is Our mediatrix with Jesus!

But Not Lusia!

she can be, without you Mama!!!

 

http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2010/08/servant-of-god-luisa-piccarreta-little.html

Josephite,
Translation to English can change meanings but also explaining the mystical in words is almost impossible. Louisa was so deep in the spiritual realm her writing would be weird to the average reader. The mystical marriage to Christ by many saints, is really strange...but it does happen to extremely holy souls. The quote above seems like she is speaking to Our Loving Mother and she is trying too explain her deep love for Jesus. You can't pull one sentence and discern that she is against Our Holy Mother. Maybe instead of trying to find all the bad in Louisa...maybe you should look for the good. If Cardinal Ratzinger cleared the way for her cause to sainthood...she must have some substance in her writings. Saint Ratzinger wouldn't put up with any nonsense.

Just a thought for a friend.

Brother al

 

So what do you make of these teachings Fallen saint?



November 5, 1923

The wonderful words of Jesus to Lusia about His sacraments in His Church.

I was feeling oppressed because of the privation of my sweet Jesus, with the addition that the confessor - because I had not had the trust to open up with him, and because I was bad - had denied me the absolution. So, having received Holy Communion, I abandoned myself in the arms of my most sweet Jesus........

Now, while I was pouring out my pain with Jesus, He made Himself seen in my interior, and the sacramental veils formed as though a mirror, and Jesus was inside of it - alive and real. And my sweet Jesus told me: “My daughter, this mirror is the accidents of the bread which keep Me imprisoned within them. I form my Life in the host, but the host does not give Me anything - not one affection, not a heartbeat, not the littlest‘I love you.’It is as though dead for Me. I remain alone, without a shadow of requital, and therefore my love is almost impatient to go out, to shatter this glass, descending into hearts in order to find in them that requital which the host does not know how to give Me, nor can it do so.

And I: ‘My beloved Jesus, isn’t what you are telling something new and singular - that in one who lives in your Will 'You form your real Life'? Isn’t it rather the mystical Life which You form in the hearts which possess your Grace?’And Jesus: “No, no, it is not mystical Life, as for those who possess my Grace but do not live with their acts identified within my Volition - they do not have sufficient material to form the accidents in order to imprison Me. It would be as if the priest did not have the host and wanted to pronounce the words of the consecration. He could say them, but would say them to the empty space - my Sacramental Life would certainly not have existence. This is how I am in the hearts which, though they may possess my Grace, do not live completely in my Will. I am in them by Grace, but not in reality.” And I: ‘My love, but how can it be that You can live really in the soul who lives in your Will?’ And Jesus: “My daughter, do I perhaps not live in the sacramental host, alive and real, in Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity?.......

On hearing this, I said: ‘Ah! my Love, Jesus; yet, I feel so bad because of all these contrasts - .........
And Jesus, again: “Daughter, do not worry about this. What I want is that you put nothing of your own, and that you obey as much as you can. It is known that all other sanctities - that is, those of obedience and of other virtues - are not exempt from pettiness, disturbance, conflicts and waste of time, which prevent the forming of a beautiful sun; at the most, they form a little star. Only the sanctity of my Will is exempt from these miseries. And besides, my Will encloses all the Sacraments and their effects; therefore, abandon yourself completely in my Will, make It your own, and you will receive the effects of the absolution, or of anything else which you might be denied. So, I recommend to you - do not waste time, because by wasting time you come to hamper my real Life, which I am forming in you.”

Lusia was denied absolution from the church by a holy priest but Jesus appears to her and says 'you don't need absolution from the church, because you live in my will. He also says that she needs nothing of the Catholic Churches sacraments. Maybe you agree with Lusia? As the other devotees of Lusia do?
That's your call.
I'm staying with the Church.

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God Bless

 

My dear sister,

I don't have any idea what you are talking about! And I have seen nothing on this thread that would lead anyone to believe what you are saying.

It's clear that you are deeply disturbed by this teaching, and it doesn't seem to give you any reassurance that Luisa's cause for beatification is advancing, or that her spiritual director, who got the imprimatur for the first 19 volumes, is St. Hannibal M. Di Francia, canonized by Pope St. John Paul II.

The Church is a big tent - something for everyone. Maybe it's best to let this go.

 

One day in Adoration before the Blessed Sacrament, these words welled up in my heart and I blurted out, "Jesus, I live to console You!" I knew these words came from Our dear Lord and not from myself. Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone did this?
Dearest Jesus, we console you through the Immaculate Heart of Mary for all who do not come before You to console Your Divine Heart.

 

Taking things out of context and nitpicking juicy tidbits only to detract, calumniate, criticize, and even succumb to sarcasm (one of the clearest tell-tale indications of the absence of the Holy Spirit in a given course of action), josephite, could succeed in rendering even Sacred Scripture just as ridiculous in appearance. The venomous atheists of the world have already become masters at that, so if you'd like to grow in that regard, perhaps you can find a forum dedicated to such an end. But what I do, honestly, heartily recommend to you is that you prayerfully and humbly examine your motives and intentions, and question yourself as to why you are not even willing to take the advice that Sacred Scripture did, through the Mass readings, give to the whole Church last week:

"Keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this undertaking is of men, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!”
Acts 5:38-39

 

I don't know where you are getting these words from but they are totally false. I would ask you to please discontinue posting these terrible things as you are offending our dear Lord and Blessed Mother. These are NOT the words of Jesus. Please check your facts before posting. God bless you.
October 19, 1911
The love of Lusia renders Jesus more content, then the love of Heaven's saints including the love of His Mother. (These words are not in theVolumes and are rediculous! Lynne) The love of Lusia forJesus is so great that she no longer needs to love the mother of God, how breathtaking.
Jesus tells us in the writings there is "no one nor will there ever be anyone" like His Holy Mother.

 

Question #1 Is your post in order? Has sections been cut and pasted? Or have you removed any paragraphs?

What I can say about your first highlight...

A host without faith is only a host. Once consecrated (faith) by a priest it transform to the body of Christ where it can be seen by all the world. But where do you think God would rather be on the alter or inside a holy soul. I do not see the problem with the quote. Where is the perfect place for a consecrated host. On the alter or in Saint Josephite. There can be many interpretations to anything written. If we just try to find the bad it is easy to do. I again return to my same argument. Words to explain the mystical is almost impossible. I just read Louisa's brief highlights (nothing more) but she seemed very devoted to the Eucharist, Confession and Our Holy Mother. Her life was touched by God...you can either try to follow her road map or you can follow another path. God has given us thousand of saints that have left their treasure map to God. It is up to you to choose. I just think this is the wrong battle.

Brother al

 

Where do you get the information that the Sacraments are not needed? Perhaps you should begin today reading the Volumes and you will see just the opposite of what you are claiming. Very sad!

 

"All our hopes find their culmination in the one hope: Thy Kingdom come, They Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. The earth will become Heaven. In His Will is to be found all our hope." Words of Pope Benedict XVI

…“new and divine” holiness with which the Holy Spirit wishes to enrich Christians at the dawn of the third millennium, in order to make Christ the heart of the world. —POPE JOHN PAUL II, L’Osservatore Romano, English Edition, July 9th, 1997

…at the “end time” the Lord’s Spirit will renew the hearts of men, engraving a new law in them. He will gather and reconcile the scattered and divided peoples; he will transform the first creation, and God will dwell there with men in peace. —Catechism of the Catholic Church,

“And they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” May God… shortly bring to fulfillment His prophecy for transforming this consoling vision of the future into a present reality… It is God’s task to bring about this happy hour and to make it known to all… When it does arrive, it will turn out to be a solemn hour, one big with consequences not only for the restoration of the Kingdom of Christ, but for the pacification of… the world. We pray most fervently, and ask others likewise to pray for this much-desired pacification of society. —POPE PIUS XI, Ubi Arcani dei Consilioi “On the Peace of Christ in his Kingdom”, December 23, 1922

 

The full quotes below
Lusia's own words
January 15, 1911

Continuing in my usual state, my adorable Jesus made Himself seen crying. The Celestial Mama brought Him to me to calm Him, and I tried to do as much as I could, kissing Him, caressing Him, squeezing Him to myself, and saying to Him: ‘What do you want from me? Don’t You want love to make You happy and calm your crying? Have You Yourself not told me other times that your happiness is my love? And I love You, very, very much - but I love You together with You, because by myself I don’t know how to love You. Give me your burning breath that it may melt my whole being into a flame of love, and then I will love You for all, I will love You with all, I will love You in the hearts of all.’ But who can tell all my nonsense? Then it seemed that He calmed down a little, and in order to distract my sweet love completely from crying, I said to Him: ‘My Life and my All, be consoled; when they do the reunions of priests – oh! how consoled You will be!’

And He, immediately: “Ah! my daughter, interest is the poison of the priest, and has infiltrated so much into them as to poison their hearts, their blood, and even the marrow of their bones. Oh! how well did the devil weave it, having found in them a will disposed to be woven. My Grace has used all of Its art in order to form the weaving of love and to give them the counterpoison to interest; but not finding their will disposed, it has woven little or nothing of the divine. So, the devil, unable to prevent these houses of reunion for priests completely, with a great loss for him, contents himself at least with maintaining the web he has woven with the poison of interest. Oh! if you saw how few are those who are disposed to separate from their families with their hearts also, and to throw-up this poison of interest – you would cry with Me. Don’t you see how they fight among themselves in this regard? How they become agitated? How they become all fire? Even more, they believe this is nonsense which does not befit their state.”

While He was saying this, I could see the priests who were disposed for this – how scarce was their number. Jesus disappeared, and I found myself inside myself. Now, feeling repugnance to write these things about priests, but having made the sacrifice of doing it, because obedience wants it so, my beloved Jesus came afterwards, and gave me a kiss to reward me for the sacrifice I made; and He added: “My beloved daughter, you have not said everything about the inconveniences which could arise if the priest remains entangled in the bond of the family, the many mistaken vocations because of which the Church cries bitterly in these times: one would certainly not see so many modernists, so many priests empty of true piety, so many of them given to pleasures, so many to intemperance, many others who look at souls being lost as if it were nothing, without the slightest bitterness, and all the other absurdities they do. These are signs of mistaken vocations. And if the families see that there is nothing more to hope for from priests, none of them will ever again feel like pushing their sons to become priests, nor will the sons ever think of enriching and lifting their families through their ministry.”

And I: ‘Ah! my sweet Jesus, instead of telling these things to me, go to the leaders, to the bishops; and they who have authority can manage to content You on this point. But I, poor one – what can I do? Nothing but compassionate You, love You and repair You.’

And Jesus: “My daughter – to the leaders, to the bishops? The poison of interest has invaded everyone, and since almost all of them are taken by this pestilential fever, they lack the courage to correct and to check those who depend on them. And then, I am not understood by those who are not stripped of everything and of everyone. My voice resounds very badly to their hearing; even more, it seems an absurdity to them – something that is not appropriate for the human condition. If I speak with you, we understand each other well enough, and if nothing else, I find a vent for my sorrow, and You will love Me more, because you know that I am embittered.”


October 19, 1911

This morning, my always lovable Jesus wanted to escape me, so I clasped Him tightly in my arms, and since Jesus wanted to wriggle free, I said to Him: ‘You teach me. The day before yesterday You bound me tightly, in such a way that I was unable to make one movement, and I let You do it, so that at the right occasion I could repay You with the same thing. Now You be quiet – let me do it, I want to speak to You in your ear, more so since I don’t feel like shouting, as it seems that in these last days You wanted to make me shout by playing deaf, by pretending not to understand me, and I was forced to repeat and to shout in order to make myself understood. I don’t know, every once in a while You come up with something new.’

And Jesus: “I was deafened by the offenses of the creatures, and in order to be distracted and cheered I wanted to hear your harmonious voice, and so I pretended not to hear. Ah! you do not know what echo of maledictions comes from the earth! The voices of love, of praises… break this pestilential echo and relieve Me quite a bit.”

In the meantime, it seemed that Mama was coming, and I: ‘Oh! Mama, Mama! Come, Oh Jesus! Oh Mama!’

And She: ‘Love Jesus very much. Keep Him content – love is His happiness.”

And I: ‘It seems that somehow He is content; I do what I can to love Him, but it seems to me that You can make Him content more than I can.’

And She: “My daughter, the love of Heaven is His own, but He wants to gain the love of the earth. This is why, on this side, you can make Him more content, by loving Him and, much more, by suffering.’

And I: ‘If You knew O Mama, what He does to me! He leaves me, He reaches the point of denying sufferings to me in order to chastise. Listen to what He told me the day before yesterday – that He wants to let foreign people come into Italy. How much ruin will they not produce? He really wants to do impertinences; and to make me surrender, He bound me very tightly to His Will.’

And Jesus: “Are you accusing Me?”

And I: ‘Certainly I have to accuse You before Mama, because She entrusts You to me, recommending that I be well attentive so as not to let You operate chastisements, and She told me even to be daring in order to disarm You. Isn’t it true, Mama?’

And She: “Yes, it is true, and I want you to continue on, because grave chastisements have been prepared. Therefore, love Him very much, for love will sweeten Him, at least.”

And I: ‘I will do what I can. I feel I love Him alone, so much so, that I can be without You,
but without Jesus - no
. And You certainly don’t feel sorry about that, because You know and You want that I must love Jesus the most, among everyone.’ And Mama seemed to be content.

 

In Lusia' own words
The big red flags are highlited in blue

November 5, 1923


I was feeling oppressed because of the privation of my sweet Jesus, with the addition that the confessor - because I had not had the trust to open up with him, and because I was bad - had denied me the absolution. So, having received Holy Communion, I abandoned myself in the arms of my most sweet Jesus........

Now, while I was pouring out my pain with Jesus, He made Himself seen in my interior, and the sacramental veils formed as though a mirror, and Jesus was inside of it - alive and real. And my sweet Jesus told me: “My daughter, this mirror is the accidents of the bread which keep Me imprisoned within them. I form my Life in the host, but the host does not give Me anything - not one affection, not a heartbeat, not the littlest‘I love you.’It is as though dead for Me. I remain alone, without a shadow of requital, and therefore my love is almost impatient to go out, to shatter this glass, descending into hearts in order to find in them that requital which the host does not know how to give Me, nor can it do so.
And I: ‘My beloved Jesus, isn’t what you are telling something new and singular - that in one who lives in your Will 'You form your real Life'? Isn’t it rather the mystical Life which You form in the hearts which possess your Grace?’And Jesus: “No, no, it is not mystical Life, as for those who possess my Grace but do not live with their acts identified within my Volition - they do not have sufficient material to form the accidents in order to imprison Me. It would be as if the priest did not have the host and wanted to pronounce the words of the consecration. He could say them, but would say them to the empty space - my Sacramental Life would certainly not have existence. This is how I am in the hearts which, though they may possess my Grace, do not live completely in my Will. I am in them by Grace, but not in reality.” And I: ‘My love, but how can it be that You can live really in the soul who lives in your Will?’ And Jesus: “My daughter, do I perhaps not live in the sacramental host, alive and real, in Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity?.......
On hearing this, I said: ‘Ah! my Love, Jesus; yet, I feel so bad because of all these contrasts - .........
And Jesus, again: “Daughter, do not worry about this. What I want is that you put nothing of your own, and that you obey as much as you can. It is known that all other sanctities - that is, those of obedience and of other virtues - are not exempt from pettiness, disturbance, conflicts and waste of time, which prevent the forming of a beautiful sun; at the most, they form a little star. Only the sanctity of my Will is exempt from these miseries. And besides, my Will encloses all the Sacraments and their effects; therefore, abandon yourself completely in my Will, make It your own, and you will receive the effects of the absolution, or of anything else which you might be denied. So, I recommend to you - do not waste time, because by wasting time you come to hamper my real Life, which I am forming in you.”

 

Precisely what line are you alleging contradicts precisely what Magisterial teaching, josephite? Again I kindly ask that you be specific and brief.

And remember, the burden of proof here lies with you to oppose, not with us to defend; you are speaking of the writings of a Servant of God that have already been declared, by several Church-appointed theologians, to be completely free of any contradiction of Catholic Faith and Morals.

 

This is a question to those people schooled in the Divine Will. (Since I'm simply to thick and lazy to "get it") If I just try to live in Gods Will and give everything over to Gods Will...is this sufficient to Live in Divine Will...or is there a catch sort of like...extra or special prayers that I need to say...or any other requirements I need to do other then placing myself willfully in the Divine Will? Thank you for rendering any info needed. Godbless!

 

No catch; that's the gist (As long as by "everything" you really mean everything ;-) )

Of course, it's good to go further. To that end I cannot recommend highly enough starting with Our Lady's words to Luisa: http://luisapiccarreta.me/wp-conten...ry-in-the-Kingdom-of-the-Divine-Will-Book.pdf

 

If anything the thread has lead you to accept or re-enforce the spirituality of Divine Will...lots of road maps to same end.

 

josephite,

I love the Eucharist with all my heart, and although I don't make it to Holy Mass everyday, I do so most days.

Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you!

But a while ago I brought up the following in a discussion with another member before I ever looked at the Divine Will spirituality:

I will never, never minimize the glory of the Blessed Sacrament. After all, I will be at Adoration tomorrow evening. But I believe the Lord gave me an insight a few years back that will provide an additional nuance concerning this precious gift.

The Psalmist tells us, "Lord, I love the habitation of your house, the place where your glory dwells!" And surely for us this is true of Our Lord in the monstrance and tabernacle. But I am one prone to be condescending toward others, thinking of myself as superior. The insight given me helps to resist this temptation. I am to look upon the Eucharistic Presence in the tabernacle as a layover on a flight home. If I was visiting my Christopher in Florida that layover would be in Atlanta. So it would be: Fort Meyers to Atlanta to Syracuse.

So it is with Jesus. In His great love and humility He comes down from the throne of exaltation in heaven, takes up "residence" in a golden tabernacle and awaits to be lovingly received into our hearts. So it would be: Heaven to a tabernacle to your heart. The tabernacle in our churches is simply a layover. It is you that Our Lord is crazy about. You, Mary's Child, are Jesus' desired tabernacle, the place where His glory dwells. So when I get too big for my britches, I need to remember that everyone I meet is either a tabernacle or a desired tabernacle for my beloved Lord.

As often as you did it for the least of my brethren, you did it for me!

O Holy Spirit, help me to love others, to be gentle and respectful toward them, as I lovingly would to Jesus in the tabernacle.

Now, to be honest, I have yet to fully embrace Luisa's understanding of the Divine Will. I'm cautious about such things. But I do believe that one fundamental purpose of Jesus coming to us in the Eucharist is to deepen His indwelling union in our souls! And I think this idea is akin to Luisa's emphasis on Jesus' life within souls. And so if I'm having a difficulty with a fellow Catholic, I try to bring to mind that Jesus indwells that soul!

Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed!