"The Dictator Pope": Mysterious New Book Looks "Behind the Mask" of Francis

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  1. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I'm sorry if I mistook your meaning in your last post, but as to your second point that my view of you will change, I highly doubt it and I find no joy at all in saying that. :(

    One of us is dead wrong.
    One of us does not understand the faith at all.
    Each of us thinks it is the other.

    The world is going to be chastised.
    Do you honestly think that we are going to be punished because Catholics are suffering from some overabundance of legalistic thought in their pursuit of God?
    I think not.
    I cannot remember the last time (if ever) that I heard a priest speak about the immutable Laws of God. Even about basics of the faith like Hell or the devil.

    We are going to firmly trounced by God's Justice because we have ignored His Laws, not because we were too intolerant of sinners.

    The so called "Rigid Pharisee" argument is a red herring.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter Heaven
    But he who does the will of the Father

    That is the crux of the matter here, David, and that is why we speak out
    It’s really a great grace to keep the True Faith as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
    Is being destroyed from within
    And it is not an easy task for us to speak out about it
     
  3. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    I actually agree with that, but FIRST I believe that through God's Mercy, He will give mankind a chance to turn back to God via the Warning.
     
  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You honestly baffle me David. I cannot make sense of your positions and how you can rationalize my last statement with the positions you take, but to each his own.

    As to the timing of The Warning, my thoughts are that it will take place only before the Divine part of the Chastisement, meaning the Three Days of Darkness, not before all of the events begin. In fact I think we have already entered the man-made part of the Chastisement. On this point of course I accept that I could be fully wrong and you may be correct. We are given no exact timing of The Warning.
     
  5. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    God's mercy is that the ten commandments were just suggestions. The wages of sin is heaven and there is no need to repent. Sorry, not buying it DavidT.
     
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  6. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    You don't have to buy it, picadillo, because that is not something I or Pope Francis are saying.

    The situation is clear from the quote I copied earlier:

    "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Matt 5
    The difficulty, of course, is in understanding God's Justice and His Mercy, both of which are part of His Nature.
     
  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    My understanding is that many people will die of the shock at being presented with the Truth. Mercy and Justice walk hand in hand. The Day of the Lord is a consuming Fire.

    Who can stand in the Presence of the Living God; He alone is Holy.
    I think the Hebrews used to call it the Shekinah. God is no pussy cat.

    He is the Lion of Judah. He may very well be a little ticked off.

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    David,

    Since man has free will and the minor chastisement is mostly man-made I think that it will proceed the Warning.

    In any case, I want to let you know that I am glad that you urged all MOG members to dig deeper to understand the intentions of the Pope in regards to Amoris Laetitia but now that the intentions have truly been made clear, I hope that you can at least admit that the intentions are not what Pope Francis initially suggested. The following video was posted by member sunburst this past Friday.

    The video contains an interview from April 16, 2016 of Pope Francis in which he encourages that everyone read the presentation made by Cardinal Schonborn to understand how to interpret Amoris Laetitia .

    The following article from May 1, 2016, explains Cardinal Schonborn's interpretation of Amoris Laetitia and includes the following quote,

    Of course being careful not to give scandal. But Pope Francis has a little note on that, where he seems to observe that nonetheless they live a married life — not with sexual union, but they live together; they share their life; and publicly they are a couple. So I see the careful discernment requires, from the pastors and from the people concerned, a very delicate conscience.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scotte...arification-on-communion/#lLfthMgp8ics4gve.99
    And now we have the confirmation that Pope Francis has declared the Argentine bishops' interpretation of Amoris Laetitia as magisterium, Church teaching.

    The Argentine bishops' interpretation of Amoris Laetitia is the following,

    The ABs tell their clergy that under certain circumstances divorced Catholics in sexually active second unions may receive the Holy Eucharist, even without receiving an annulment. http://www.catholicworldreport.com/...ce-the-argentine-bishops-and-amoris-laetitia/
    This is a blatant contradiction of what Cardinal Schonborn stated as the interpretation of Amoris Laetitia or is it not? So at minimum, they changed their minds but in actuality it appears they were trying to dupe the laity and their real intentions were to change Church teaching in this matter.

    Maybe I'm not understanding all this correctly.
     
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  9. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    This is one of the most sanctimonious, condescending, patronizing and pride filled personal insults I’ve ever seen posted on MOG. What colossal hubris. You do not belong posting here to abuse a poster like Praetorian in this manner.

    @padraig, this is beyond excusing away.
     
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Even CM has woken up:

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cm-exclusive-author-of-the-dictator-pope-speaks

    CM Exclusive: Author of ‘The Dictator Pope’ Speaks
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    by Church Militant • ChurchMilitant.com • December 17, 2017 0 Comments
    The newly released book The Dictator Pope has drawn international attention for its claims about the current pontificate, and reports say the Vatican is anxiously hunting down the author, who goes by the alias Marcantonio Colonna (a 16th-century Italian aristocrat who served as admiral of the papal fleet in the Battle of Lepanto). Church Militant spoke with the author via email to discuss his hopes in publishing the book and his thoughts on the current regime.

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    Church Militant: Why did you write the book, and what do you hope Catholics do with this information about Pope Francis?

    Marcantonio Colonna: My aim in publishing the book was to show the immense gap between the present media image of Pope Francis and the reality. What Catholics can do with the information may vary: At best it may encourage the leaders of the Church (and I know that many cardinals and other senior figures have read the book and absorbed its message) to confront Pope Francis and halt him in his present course of government. If that is impossible, I hope that at least it will serve as a lesson to the cardinals at the next conclave not to make the same mistake of electing a little-known cardinal who turns out to be very different from what he was thought to be.

    The atmosphere there is one of profound fear, a state of affairs completely unlike anything known in living memory.Tweet
    CM: Inside sources have told CM that the atmosphere in the Vatican under Pope Francis is "like North Korea" — meaning fear reigns, especially among more orthodox clergy. We've also read comments from various prelates that a great deal of spying and bugging of phones/computers in the Vatican is going on. Is this true? If so, can you elaborate?

    MC: The espionage in the Vatican is exactly as you say, and I give details of it in my book. Clergy and laity working there find that their offices, cars and even private homes are bugged and their telephones tapped. Everyone you talk to in the Vatican, of all parties or none, will tell you that the atmosphere there is one of profound fear, a state of affairs completely unlike anything known in living memory.

    CM: How are you obtaining such inside information about the pope, and how can the public know this information is reliable?

    [​IMG]MC: I have been living in Rome for the last four years and more, and have spoken to many priests and laymen working in the Vatican. For some of the most sensitive information it is impossible to disclose one's sources, but a great deal of what is contained in my book has already been published by journalists such as Sandro Magister and Philip Lawler, who know the Vatican well. Their testimony has been largely ignored by the mainstream media, and one objective of my book is to give it more impact by collecting it all in one place.

    CM: Pope Francis has offered conflicting public remarks about the "gay lobby." On the one hand, he acknowledges its existence; on the other, he seems to tolerate and in some cases promote pro-gay clergy. Pope Benedict acknowledged he did confront and try to break up the gay lobby in the Vatican. Do you think Pope Francis is making a point to fight this homosexual network?

    MC: In fact Benedict XVI's attempted work of cleaning out the homosexual lobby from the Vatican (and from the clergy as a whole) has been totally undermined by the present Pope. He has continued the policy for which he was well known as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, of deliberately making use of morally weak subordinates because of the hold it gives him over them. Not only have prelates of scandalous character been promoted by Pope Francis but they have been given a platform to promote their programme of changing the Church's teaching on sexual morality, as they attempted to do, with considerable success, in the two Synods on the Family.

    CM: Rome seems intent in finding out your identity. What do you think will happen to you if Rome discovers who you are?

    MC: If the Vatican finds out who I am and chooses to disclose my identity, the main effect will probably be to give me fresh publicity. What I am more concerned about is the possible purge of people whom the Vatican may choose to associate with me, because punishment of the slightest dissidence is the hallmark of the present papacy, and the propaganda machine is relentless in blackening the reputation of those who are identified as being "on the other side."

    CM: What are your thoughts on the papal rescript? Do you think this is Pope Francis' way of answering the dubia?

    MC: I have avoided taking doctrinal sides in my book, and as far as Amoris Laetitia goes I was mainly concerned to show how indirect and ambiguous is Pope Francis' way of teaching the Church. The rescript that you mention is a good example. Why should the authoritative interpretation of a document such as Amoris Laetitia be conveyed in a letter to the Argentinian bishops? If Pope Francis has a new teaching to give the Church, if he is seeking as he claims to bring the true spirit of Christ to defeat a tradition of clerical legalism, why does he not proclaim it boldly and clearly, as the great teachers of Christian doctrine have always done? Under the present papacy we have moved from a regime of teaching by clear dogma to insinuating by political manoeuvre.

    Under the present papacy we have moved from a regime of teaching by clear dogma to insinuating by political manoeuvre.Tweet
    CM: Is there anything else you'd like to say?

    MC: I would just like to make a remark prompted by some journalists' reactions to my book. Some of them seem to have been taken so much by surprise by an unfamiliar story that they suppose that my purpose in writing it was to plug a particular, personal view of Pope Francis. In fact nearly everything that I say in the book is quoted either from things that have already been published or from private informants. The objective I wanted to achieve was to get the facts into the open, and I hope that my book will encourage further investigative work to lay bare Pope Francis and his pontificate even further. Just yesterday the Pope gave an address to journalists in which (conceivably inspired by some developments of the past few weeks) he has called for "precise and complete" information from the journalistic profession. This is a wish in which I am happy to be absolutely on the Pope's side.

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  11. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you Brian. It's okay, I was offended at first, but David and I have our back and forths. We try to keep it civil most of the time. In charity I take him at his word that he did not mean it to be offensive. Perhaps it was not the best analogy to use.
     
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  12. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You are an excellent researcher Carol to keep this all straight in your head, and in answer to your question, I do not think you are having any trouble understanding all of this. At least as much as anyone can. It is indeed a mess.
     
  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Praetorian,

    Thank you.
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    I want to post the following for anyone who read my previous post containing an article from Patheos written by Scott Eric Alt.
    Mr. Alt started figuring some of "it" out in November 2016, http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scottericalt/ive-changed-my-mind-about-pope-francis/ .
     
  14. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers


    Freemasonry has had 100 years of greater power to mock God and persecute the camp of the saints. God permitted it for the glory of his Church, knowing that the greatest Saints arise in moments of trial. But the Freemason status quo won’t last forever and I feel that 2018 will see some great event that will deal a decisive blow to Freemasonry. Perhaps it will be the Warning (although I’m not really sure about Garabandal) or perhaps it will be something that we know will happen since it comes in an approved private revelation: the manifestation of a luminous Cross that was related to Saint Faustina. Such an event will come as a shock to organized Freemasonry and their lie that “God is a delusion.” Such an event will become a moment of decision for mankind and will lead to a clear division between those who will repent and those who will continue to embrace the spirit of the antichrist.
     
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  15. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

    Carol, my quote "And this is what Pope Francis thinks about Cardinal Schonborn", really had to do with Pope Francis remark that Cardinal Schonborn was a great theologian, but I guess I didn't make that clear. I was feeling a little outraged that Pope Francis could refer to CS as a great theologian, after watching the video Padraig posted on the event hosted by Cardinal Schonborn.
    It was appalling! If you research some of these characters at this event, like Conchita Wurst , Gery Keszler, ect. there is no way to promote CS as being a great theologian,...that's as bad as when Pope Francis referred to Carlo Maria Martini as a great father of the Church.
     
  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes I think we are coming to a parting of the ways, the sheep will go one way and the goats the other. If you think about it this way then actually the chaos in the Church at the moment is not a bad thing. Sometimes a boil is allowed to come to head with all its poison in order to be burst. Allowing adulterers to have sacriligeous communions classifies as a boil coming to a head. The Doctor , (God) can then step in and burst the boil.

    We have to trust God, He knows what He is doing.

    God hasn't gone away you know.
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The book appears well researched and well worth reading, what I have read of it so far.

    I have put it down for a while as ..well .. it does not exactly cheer me up. But then again the truth often does not make me cheerful. I will get back to it when I summon up more courage. I love our Mother the Church with all my heart and hate to see her brought so low by a bunch of brigands.
     
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  18. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Saul was like the militant Islamists we have today. Corrupters of religion.

    I suspect David you would see Padre Pio as a 'lover of the law' since he preached and lived authentic Catholic belief and encouraged all to observe and keep God's holy law.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I think where David is going wrong is that he does not understand that grace allows you to keep God's Holy Law.

    We live by grace in His Love. None of us can love God or our neighbour without God's grace helping us.

    David thinks we are 'doing works' -- living by our own efforts without grace in a legalistic way - which is what protestants believe about Catholics.

    It is David's lack of understanding of the relationship between Law & Grace that is very concerning.

    Below is a link to the Catechism that will help.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm
     
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  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    sunburst, I understand what you stated, absolutely, I think that we all feel the same way about this. I can't bring myself to watch those other videos yet though. :LOL:

    I happened to watch the video that you posted of the interview on the plane of Pope Francis and I had never seen it before. Like yourself, I was very surprised to hear what he stated and then watching some of Cardinal Schonborn's speech about the interpretation of AL which he made in April 2016, I got this feeling that back in the Spring of 2016 they already had these intentions but they tried to be sneaky about it. Slowly but surely, it was apparent until finally it was confirmed. Looking back at how it all happened puts it in perspective, a very sad one.

    I am apologize if I wasn't clear in my post, I absolutely think that we are on the same page. My post was to try and help David see the truth, my hope is that he would begin to understand what has happened.
     
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