The Crisis of the Church

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Jan 11, 2022.

  1. archangel michael

    archangel michael Archangels

    This is what I think of. Of what Our Lord will do or let happen...much worse than casting out the money changers in the temple.
    He is saying the clergy will be getting their heads cut off( the misfortune of Louie the XVI). Maybe 100 years from the date of that vision (June 13, 1929 in the Trinitarian vision at Tuy) June 13th, 2029( my speculation)

    “‘Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will likewise follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.’



    “Later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! … Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’”

    Our Lord was here making an explicit reference to the request of the Sacred Heart given to the King of France through Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque on June 17, 1689. Our Lord asked Louis XIV, the famed “sun king,” to consecrate France to His Sacred Heart, promising in return to save France from its enemies. Louis XIV, Louis XV, and Louis XVI, following the unfortunate and unworthy advice of their Jesuit confessors, did not perform this consecration. As a result of this century-long refusal, the French monarchy and the whole of France’s Catholic society were overthrown by the Protestant and Masonic Counter-Church’s plots in the course of the bloody terror of the French Revolution.

    On the Feast of the Sacred Heart (June 17, 1789), exactly one hundred years to the day from when Saint Margaret Mary had been given that revelation of the great designs of Heaven for France, the Third Estate rose up and proclaimed itself the National Assembly, stripping King Louis XVI of his legislative authority. A mere four years later, on January 21, 1793, the revolutionaries sent the King to his death on the guillotine as if he were a common criminal.
     
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  2. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Yes I too feel angry when I read some of the things being said and done by church hierarchy but it doesn't help me if I let the anger take root. It's hard to know what to do but I do know God has it in hand if we keep the prayers going. I pray a good strong leader will rise up but first we may have to suffer more. I keep hoping that the warning will convert everyone and that it will come soon.
     
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  3. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I’ve absolutely have no doubt that Gods justice will prevail…I know it will. I’m having difficulty and conflict in my oun soul about what I personally need to be actively doing in addition to prayer as I watch souls being lead to hell in the meantime….? I’m conflicted…I have feelings of what I want to do or say, but I honestly don’t know if I’m right.
     
  4. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Like you Maryrose, I’m praying for the warning because I’m growing impatient. Perhaps the suffering I’m feeling, much of it personal because of loved ones losing their faith and the church condoning certain sins, I’m truly suffering.
    I do offer it up…and I do believe that God will use that suffering to save them….but watching this gang daily destroying souls is a bit too much.
     
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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    We may very well have to enter the trenches, Byron. However, the world is a different place than it was 150 years ago. Many of the contemplative orders have been decimated; without such a prayerful foundation on which to stand, the required confrontation must be supported by our own fasting and reparation. The ruination of contemplatives was prophesied by Our Lady of Good Success:

    These years, during which the accursed SECT OF MASONRY will take control of the civil government, will see a cruel persecution of all religious communities, and will also strike out violently against this one of mine. These unfortunate men will think the Convent destroyed, but God lives, and I live, and we will raise up powerful defenders and set before these enemies, difficulties impossible to conquer, and the triumph will be ours...

    So the traditional contemplative orders will be greatly weakened, of which we now have ample proof. Individuals like Glenn Beck (who recently published a book on the Great Reset) is providing knowledge of the situation, but a prayer foundation must be in place if we are to hope for ultimate victory. May we each be sensitive to the Lord's guidance in our personal lives, but never substitute political action over the foundation of prayer and fasting. They need to be linked. :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:
     
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  6. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Thank you for articulating what I woefully was unable to do. I thank you.

    Your comments really gave me a good perspective and comfort.
     
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  7. archangel michael

    archangel michael Archangels

    I think if we as Christians are not offended and angered by what is going on around us then there is something wrong with us as Christians.

    It is what we do with that anger that will lead to sin. We cant let anger become rage or wrath. Then we fall prey to the evil ones designs.

    Just remember Deuteronomy 32:35
    Vengeance is mine, and I will repay them in due time.


    What is the difference between Wrath and Anger?

    • Anger is a strong feeling of displeasure that all individuals feel when they are hurt or challenged. It is quite normal to feel angry.

    • Wrath is an extreme form of anger, which is destructive as well as vindictive. This can lead the person to engage in extremely destructive behavior towards others and even self.

    • Unlike Anger, Wrath is considered one of the seven deadly sins.

    • Anger is natural, but Wrath is unnatural.

    • In anger, the individual is aware of what is right and wrong, but in wrath the individual loses his sense of morality as he is overcome by hatred.
     
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  8. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Then what was the anger Jesus Himself displayed at the temple? Is there no reason, especially as it pertains to His holy temple ( the current liturgical abuses) that we are to not engage in such as throwing over the tables and evicting the vipers?
     
  9. AED

    AED Powers

    You speak for many of us maryrose.
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Proverbs says "do not give way to wrath. It will only harm you."
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Because the Church is Hierarchical in nature (and was instituted as such by Jesus Himself when He selected the 12 Apostles) we lay people are the Flock and it is the Bishops and priests who lead us.

    I have always liked this. Once I was invited to join the Parish Council and attended a meeting and it was totally horrible, I never went back. I have sympathy for what one old Parish Priest said about such things. 'When God the Father decided to save the World He sent His only Son, he didn''t send a Committee'. :):)

    On the other hand the Present Leadership under Pope Francis appear to adore never ending meetings. Dreadful.

    I am not really sure what we lay people can do but pray and make Sacrifice. The very nature of the Church itself, the way it is set up means this is so. It is very frustrating and annoying at the present time, but what else can we do. We could protest and petition but frankly the people who should most listen to such things would be most inclined to laugh at us.

    One Saint said that the greatest punishment God can inflict on mankind would be to permit evil man to take charge. I am afraid that is what is happening in Spades.

    But one other thing I am doing at the moment is listening to the voice of God in prayer in case he wants me to do something more specific. I can't imagine what it might be, but I am listening.

     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    I am thinking these days of St Francis. Jesus told him "My Church is in ruins. Rebuild it." And Francis did but not without much fasting hardship and suffering. It took a long time. The path wasn't always clear and the obstruction the hierarchy was a real thorn in Francis's side. A dream Pope Innocent had of a little beggar holding up the edifice of the Church persuaded him to grant Francis permission to go forward.

    When I was young I was a bit of a firebrand. Outraged by liturgical abuses and luke warm priests and apostate nuns. It did no good. It offended good hearted Catholics who were unaware and it caused Church representatives to dig in their heels and react very negatively to my comments. I learned a different approach and went to prayer first which should have been my strategy all along. I saw that the only person I could change was me. I should focus on eradicating my own sins with sorrow and repentance. Then maybe I would be of some use.
    Peter Herbeck has a wonderful talk he just posted from Renewal Ministries called "Lay it Down" I urge everyone to find it on you tube and listen.
     
  13. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

     
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  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I agree with this,
    “One Saint said that the greatest punishment God can inflict on mankind would be to permit evil man to take charge. I am afraid that is what is happening in Spades.

    But one other thing I am doing at the moment is listening to the voice of God…no, rather I’m asking Him to help me know His will. I can no longer trust certain priest ….certainly not all… but many, will not be the voice of truth.
    I’m imploring Him to be a voice unto me. I don’t rely on priest for these answers as so many today do not see sin as sin any longer…
     
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  15. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Thank you Lynnfiat! This is what I needed to hear today! Thank you. In my heart I knew Our Lady would not allow the church to fall beyond salvage, but this gave me great peace.Thank you all voices of peace.
     
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  16. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Yes, you are so right. Let me remind you that the Battle of Lepanto was won because of the Rosary. But it was also a battle. I do believe in the 3 visions George Washington had during the Revolutionary war. There will be a fight for our faith and country. And that final battle Our Lady will win for Christ.
     
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  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Back in the days before the Internet got underway, I first began to notice strange unsettling things both that were being said and done in the Churches I visited and things that were being reported from other parts of the World.

    This was before the big Child Abuse Crisis thing really blew up and I was , in my my of looking at things, a very ordinary Irish Catholic. Anything a priest or Bishop said just had to right. For instance when the child abuse thing blew up I blamed the Media for making things up or hyping it all. Just things simply could not be. How wrong I was.

    But the thing that alerted me first was listening to some priests homilies at Mass. Because I do shift work and love camping I tend to travel to a lot of different Churches across Ireland and so get to hear a lot of different priests.

    One time , for instance I heard a priest giving a talk on prayer to a packed Church and suggesting that a good way to go was to pray naked before lighted candles in the dark with , 'Suitable music' . I was that shocked I got up at once and walked right out. People stared and even the priest on the altar noticed and made a nasty comment as I left.

    It was harder in those days. There was no internet. The Catholic Media, such as it was went right along with Establishment Line (they still do, mostly). I felt so alone. Was I imagining things, was I being too sensitive?

    I think what had opened by and heart to an awareness of the evil that was going on was tow things. Firstly a deep love of prayer and especially the Rosary. Secondly my reading habits. I loved reading old Catholic books of previous generations from publishers such as Tan Books. So I was out of the loop so to speak with contemporary, 'Modern', Catholic thought and that was certainly no loss.

    But my biggest wake up call was a Mystical experience I had when I went to a Mass said by perhaps the most famous Media priest in Ireland. He is never of TV and the Radio, is always in the newspapers and has written enough books to fill a library. A very,very Charismatic priest whom people love to love. Also an out and out Modernist heretic of the very, very worst kind.

    Anyway as I looked from my place at Mass I saw as he came onto the altar a group of demons dressed as Medieval Warriors leaping and dancing a victory dance of celebration alongside him. One of the demons had a large pair of horns which went though the priests throat showing me how the priest was totally under the control of hell in all he said and did. He was there agent.

    The thing is with priests like this when I meet them, you just know..at least I do.. these is a feeling of deepest unsettlement and unease. Not only me with them but them with me. I have noticed that they can't run away from me quick enough. They act rather like a cat on a hot tin roof.

    Well then if I can sense this and they can sense it, why can other Catholics, but more particularly other Priests, Bishops and Religious Superiors not sense it? Most Particularly why cannot those in Rome not smell this very,very bad rancid coffee that hell is serving up?

    What's gone wrong with their Spiritual Eyesight? How at some very basic level , when they are dealing with some very,very bad, right out of Hell dudes as they no awareness whatever of who or what they are dealing with?

    Sex molestors like McCarrick being a good example. How was the wool pulled so totally down over their eyes?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-staff-promoted-priest-despite-abuse-claims

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  18. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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    Too many Father Trendy's like Fr D'arcy supping tea with the Duke of Kent and in love with the world and the limelight.

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  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Peddling heresy after heresy from the pulpit and in his books yet is never corrected.
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    Hopw many souls has this one priest led astray in Ireland?

    It it not for me to judge.
     
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  20. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    It's almost like the Novus Ordo Mass was invented for priests like this - the one's who love centre-stage.


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