One last thing, to live Heaven on earth is not a devotion. It is a way of life. Devotions have life spans they have beginnings and endings. Gods Divine Will has no beginning or ending therefore it can not nor never will be a devotion. May He always be blessed and thanked.
I believe there will be an Anti-Christ figure before the Period of Peace. That's what many of the prophesies suggest. There have historically been many prefigurements of Anti-Christ - Simon Magus the heresiarch, Nero the persecutor of the Church, Antiochus in pre-Christian times were all considered types of Anti-Christ. Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauzer also suggests it, at least he seems to. It's difficult absolutely to say for sure, but it's best to be forewarned such is possible. Another thing said of Anti-Christ is he will rebuild the old Temple, try to reinstate the animal sacrifices, attack and try to abolish Holy Mass worldwide, claim to be the real Messiah deserving of worship etc. Ven. Abp. Sheen was of the view that "the son of perdition" would be an apostate bishop, prefigured by Judas for e.g. Regarding the ongoing discussion, I think the important thing, dear friends, is for us all to grow in the knowledge and love of God, Our Lady and of each other every day. We can all appreciate different devotions and to the extent that each of those devotions help us fulfill that purpose, they are good and holy. Let's try to make sure as far as possible we allow other Catholics due freedom to express their own love and devotion to God and Mary; without insinuating any one is inferior for not practicing any particular devotion or spirituality. Private revelation and similar forms of devotion imho are given only that many of us may sanctify our souls by them. As it is said, in necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas, in necessary things, unity, in doubtful things, liberty, in all things, charity. God bless.
I think that Frodo asked a very reasonable question when he asked where is the approved English translation. According to EWTN at the end of 2017: "At this time there are still NO official English translations of any of the volumes. As previously stated to EWTN by the Postulation, the complexity of translating from the dialect used by the author into Italian, and then from Italian into other languages, and doing so consistent with the doctrine of the faith, makes it absolutely necessary that the prohibition of unauthorized translations be observed. When the critical edition with theological notes is completed, and approved by the Holy See, only then will the Postulation authorize translations, and then only from the critical edition." So, when people here quote Luisa, what official translation are they quoting? This forum is not under the guidance of a Bishop and, even if it were, that Bishop couldn't possibly be the local Ordinary for everyone visiting the forum. Who here has the authority to determine whether explanations inconsistent with the teachings of the Church are not being promulgated? I don't mean to be rude but I would be interested in knowing: What official translation are you reading, and are you part of a prayer group under the guidance of your local Ordinary? When you encourage people to keep reading Luisa's book, what official translation are you encouraging them to read, and are you encouraging them to seek the guidance of their local Ordinary or are you encouraging them to "put out the messages" from whatever translation they can get? Wouldn't it be prudent to wait until there is a Vatican approved translation before urging people to read a book which purports to give us a new understanding of "on earth as it is in Heaven"?
This is a great conversation to have. The ArchDiocese of Trani has approved the translation from Marina d’Ariano. She was asked to translate them after the writings were taken out of the Vatican vault and copied. The Archdiocese of Trani has been given full permission from the Vatican to oversee everything and anything having to do with Luisa Piccarreta and the Book of Heaven. Marina is from Corato Italy and she studied at Harvard. May 2017, the Vatican sent a Monsignor to Trani to oversee the translation from the Corato dialect to the proper Italian dialect. This critical edition has been delivered to the Pope. Everything has been approved. For me, I am not waiting for the Vatican to put this critical edition out because the translation will not have a different meaning then what is already there. However I do understand that the Italian language can be richer. God knows how much I love Him and my neighbor. I know that reading these writings is not against the church or sinful. Everyday I read them and gain greater knowledge of God, Creation, Redemption and Sanctification. I have no fear but total trust in His love and Mercy. We’re not just asked to read the diary of Faustina but to trust in His Mercy. Do not be afraid. It may be better to start with the biography of Luisa that was published by the Vatican. The Sun of my Will. Then we all started with the 24 hour Passion then I read the Virgin Mary in The Kingdom and then started reading the writings. There are videos of prayer groups, and Priests all over YouTube to help you get going. I want you to meditate on the Gospel of John 20: 1-10. Mary Mag’Dalene went to the tomb while it was still dark. She went back to get the Priest (John) and the Pope (Peter). John beat Peter to the tomb but waited until Peter went in and approved before he went in. This Kingdom is playing out the same way. Jesus tells us this in the writings. The lay people will get there first, then the Priest but they will wait for the Pope to say The Master will come again. There is so much knowledge in these writings of the state of the church and our Priest. The secret of Fatima is in the writings, the illumination is in the writings, the Antichrist. All that everyone wants to know is in the writings. But...it isn’t fearful or crazy it is all peace. I too read EWTN take on Luisa and The Book of Heaven in 2012 and I didn’t believe in the writings. Then one day in 2014 someone said they were going to a Divine Will Cenacle and I knew I had to go with them. I have never looked back. From my experience I know everyone is on their own journey. The state of the church is not good. Jesus says this is also a sign that Kingdom will reign soon because it follows the history of Redemption. The state of the Jews was not good before Jesus was Incarnated in Mary. God has a plan it’s going to be incredible. If you choose to read or not to you don’t stop God. There were no priests at Jesus’s birth, yet they all saw the same star and had the 70 week prophesy of Daniel. The Priests knew, but it was the laity (shepherds) that got to the manger first. All for His Glory.
I just read a few messages and they are a sublime meditation on Our Lady's Fiat and how She Lived in the Divine Will. They certainly are solid and traditional imho. https://luisapiccarreta.co/ "Now listen to Me, daughter of My Heart: as soon as the Little Humanity of Jesus was formed in My Womb by the Power of the Divine Fiat, the Sun of the Eternal Word Incarnated Himself in It. I had My Heaven, formed by the Fiat, all studded with Most Refulgent Stars that glittered with Joys, Beatitudes, Harmonies of Divine Beauty; and the Sun of the Eternal Word, Blazing with Inaccessible Light, came to take His Place within this Heaven, hidden in His Little Humanity. And since His Little Humanity could not contain Him, the Center of this Sun remained in It, but Its Light Overflowed outside, and Investing Heaven and earth, It reached every heart. And with Its Pounding of Light, It knocked at each creature, and with Voices of Penetrating Light, It said to them: “My children, open to Me; give Me a place in your heart. I have descended from Heaven to earth in order to form My Life in each one of you. My Mother is the Center in which I reside, and all My children will be the circumference, in which I want to form so many of My Lives for as many as are My children.” And the Light knocked and knocked again, without ever ceasing; and the Little Humanity of Jesus moaned, cried, agonized, and within that Light which reached into the hearts, He made flow His Tears, His Moans and His Pangs of Love and of Sorrow. Now, you must know that a New Life began for your Mama. I was aware of everything that My Son was doing. I saw Him devoured by seas of Flames of Love; each one of His Heartbeats, Breaths and Pains were Seas of Love that He unleashed, enveloping all creatures to make them His own by Force of Love and of Sorrow. In fact, you must know that as His Little Humanity was Conceived, He Conceived all the Pains He was to suffer, up to the last day of His Life. He enclosed all souls within Himself, because, as God, no one could escape Him. His Immensity enclosed all creatures, His All-seeingness made them all present to Him. Therefore, My Jesus, My Son, felt the weight and the burden of all the sins of each creature. And I, your Mama, followed Him in everything, and felt within My Maternal Heart the New Generation of the Pains of My Jesus, and the New Generation of all the souls whom, as Mother, together with Jesus I was to Generate to Grace, to Light, to the New Life which My Dear Son came to bring upon Earth. My daughter, you must know that from the moment I was Conceived, I Loved you as Mother, I felt you in My Heart, I Burned with Love for you, but I did not understand why. The Divine Fiat made me do facts, but kept the Secret hidden from Me. But as He Incarnated Himself, He revealed the Secret to Me, and I comprehended the Fecundity of My Maternity—that I was to be not only Mother of Jesus, but Mother of All; and this Maternity was to be formed on the stake of Sorrow and of Love. My daughter, how much I have Loved you, and I Love you. Now listen to Me, dear daughter—what extent one can reach when the Divine Will takes Operating Life in the creature, and the human will lets It Work without impeding Its Step. This Fiat, which by Nature Possesses the Generative Virtue, Generates all Goods in the creature; It renders her Fecund, giving her Maternity over all, over all Goods, and over He who created her. Maternity says and means True Love, Heroic Love, Love that is content with dying to give Life to the one It has Generated. If this is not there, the word maternity is sterile, is empty, and is reduced to words, but does not exist with facts.Therefore, if you, My daughter, want the Generation of all Goods, let the Fiat take Operating Life in you, which will give you the Maternity, and you will Love everyone with Love of Mother. And I, your Mama, will teach you how to fecundate in you this Maternity, all Holy and Divine."
Is your prayer cenacle under the supervision of a Bishop? Who translated the book you have? You said in your post that Marina D'Ariano has done a translation from Luisa's dialect into regular Italian and that it has been delivered to the Pope. If that official translation from Corato to regular Italian hasn't been released by the Vatican, how do you know that everything in it has the same meaning as the translation you have? If, as you say, everything has been approved by the Pope, it shouldn't take very long before there will be approved translations in various languages. Why not wait a short while to get a translation which you can be sure is 100% accurate and in line with Church teaching? Otherwise, you are quoting from a book which has not yet received the all clear from the Vatican - a book which you tell us gives a new revelation or understanding of a part of the Our Father. "All that everyone wants to know" may well be in the writings, but we can't be sure of that until the Vatican says so. Meanwhile, all we need to know has already been revealed, and we know that because the Church tells us so. I'm not criticising you or anyone else for reading the book, however, I do consider it imprudent to quote from a thus far unapproved translation of it.
Marinas translations are the ones I post. I was told personally by Fr. Bucci that they were the best translations. This was told personally to me by Fr. Bucci himself when He was at our house for dinner in Hanceville.
Does anyone believe that an official English translation will prompt those who say it is necessary to wait for, to themselves dig in and read the volumes? That is not their real concern.
Then wait for the Pope. Don’t read what people post from the writings, because no matter what we write or tell you to try to give you peace about this great gift, you are rejecting it. Medjugorge is not approved either, neither is Garabandal or many other apparitions. Do you believe that all those pilgrims who went to those apparition sites and had a great conversion are going to be punished by God because the Pope hasn’t approved them yet? Your relationship to the Trinity and the Blessed Mother has no chain of command. Ask them. I don’t know if what I’m writing is going to be understood. So let me correct somethings you just asked. 1. The writings that I am reading were translated by Marina. These were translated in the 1990’s from the original writings. 2. This translation is the official approved translation from the Archdiocese of Trani. 3. The Archdiocese of Trani is the authority of all things regarding Luisa Piccarreta. 4. In 2017 A Monsignor from the Vatican with several other Priests translated the original writings into the proper Italian dialect. These were given to the Pope. 5. I’m not sure why you want to know about my local Bishop and his approval since I have approval from the Archdiocese of Trani which was given full authority from Rome. All Bishops are same rank. 6. My Bishop is really busy with the sex scandals, Priests that are dying, low Mass attendance, low funds, and many other administrative duties that I know he has not read the 36 volumes. What if these writings, these glorious beautiful words from Jesus are what is going to save the church? I’m glad I said YES!!!!
No, I do not. I have read and read and read these writings. They are in my soul. I know from the writings that all will not read or accept them. No worries, everyone will eventually know the truths of The Divine Will because it’s God! God our Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier. He loves all souls! And I love, thank and Bless Him for All and in the hearts of all!
The problems did not stem from the translations, but fro Fiat! Fiat! Fiat! I gave my "Yes" 25 years ago - thanks be to God! For those who choose not to accept the writings, Jesus says this, "If creatures do not want to avail themselves of the sea - of the sun of My Will in order to come to Me, they may make use of the little fountains, of the channels, to come to Me and take, for their own good, the things that belong to Me." I choose to take for myself the "sea" and the "sun" of the writings in The Book of Heaven - You can choose the "little fountains", and the "channels" to come to Him, if you so desire.
Jesus says, "There will be few." How very sad for Him and Our Lady who we are told has been preparing souls to receive this great Gift that God chooses to give in our times.
Yes, and look how few have accepted the gift of Divine Mercy Sunday and the removal of all sin and the guilt of sin! The gift of the Divine Will will be no different.
Fixed it for you. Fortunate for those of us who choose the "little fountains" that Our Lady is the Star of the Ocean. I'll take the "little channels" of devotion to her and the Eucharist over a new purported private revelation any day of the week. You can keep posting unapproved English translations and try to spin it into approved since you had dinner with Fr. Bucci... not exactly a ringing endorsement for the Ordinary in charge and blatantly against the motive in his letter. Apparently so did Colin and he has reached a far different conclusion that you have.
There was a problem in translation St. Faustina's Polish (sound familiar?), and once that was ironed out there were no issues. One could still trust in his Mercy all the same without even hearing of St. Faustina or reading her diary. Devotion of, Trust in, and imploring Divine Mercy is not new. St. Faustina was not going through replaying all of creations acts and making them mercy in her mind all over again, unlike Luisa's claims. According to you, and some others over here, access to the Divine Will wouldn't be necessary unless we had Luisa's fiat. What a load of something. I have no idea how an educated Catholic can even entertain the idea of such a thing. If you can't see the difference, and apparently you can't, then I can't help you. Everyone else should be on guard and wait until the Church speaks - and includes the authentic way to understand her writings in the light of the tradition of our Catholic Faith for over 2,000 years.
There is no English Translation. Also, as part of the english translation there will be a commentary on how to interpret her writings which conforms to the Chruch's teachings and Tradition. Your English translation of the Italian is lacking in that regard. That is quite impossible. I believe my Mother who promised that She will save the Church.
You do not understand the words of Our Lord - He is speaking about after the earth is purged of evil!
If you do not know who Fr. Bucci is, then I suggest you look into it. He is an authority on Luisa as his Aunt Rosario took care of Luisa for many years and he knew Luisa when he was a child. He would know much more than you do about Luisa - and for that matter, any of us.
Once again, you have misunderstood what I have said. My point was about Mercy Sunday and the gift God provided on that day is, full pardon of sin and punishment due to sin, for all who apply themselves on that day to receive it. Yet so very few have accepted this gift on that day as evidence that so few churches celebrate this devotion and the few that do have very few attendies. The most perfect gift, now offered by God, of living in his Divine Will, has been treated the same way. So very people have accepted it, as Jesus himself foretold it would be.
I'm not rejecting it. I'm merely trying to get straightforward answers to questions. While I understand that you and others are very enthusiastic about promoting devotion to Luisa and her writings, I'm finding that your enthusiasm is influencing your answers to the extent that they appear to be evasive. I'm not suggesting that you are deliberately clouding the issue, but when you add comments not specific to the questions, it tends make your responses rather unclear. I did a Google search and came across the report of an interview from 2003 conducted by Rev. Iannuzzi with the Archbishop Emeritus of Trani: http://www.transporter.com/Apologia/KDW_Newsletter.htm I expect that you, as a devotee of Luisa, are not unaware of the interview. Apparently, the purpose of the interview was to advise caution against the likelihood of harmful interpretations of whatever the Lord may have wanted to teach through Luisa. While I understand that there have been further developments since that interview, I'm not seeing anything in your responses which indicate a major change in some points made by the Archbishop Emeritus. For example, with regard to the six numbered points in your post: 1. Is the translation you have one of those which the then Archbishop (now Emeritus) requested not be printed (i.e. includes all 36 volumes)? Also, can I remind you what the Archbishop Emeritus said in the interview (answer B to question 5): "Because Luisa's writings are difficult, one ought to examine them in their proper context. One should never interpret them ad litteram (literally). The following danger can present itself: 'In the name of the FIAT of the DIVINE WILL, one may fail to give importance to the Magisterium of the Church and to her constituted authorities.' In appearance one professes to be obedient, but in reality he does whatever he pleases." 2. You said in an earlier post that the Diocese of Trani had sent a translation in Italian to the Vatican, so presumably what you have is a direct translation in English of Luisa's writings which has not been submitted to the Vatican. The Vatican has not yet given its interpretation of the Italian translation, so how do you know that you are interpreting your English translation with the mind of the Church? When you post on the forum about Luisa's writings, are you giving us your own literal interpretation? 3. The Archbishop of Trani has responsibility for supervising the cause for Luisa's beatification/canonisation. But, and this is a major but, it is the relevant dicastry in the Vatican, with the Pope's approval, which will provide what Fr. Iannuzzi called the "official or normative interpretation by the Church", and that interpretation will be issued along with the critical translation. The Archbishop may well have an input to that interpretation, but the Vatican will have the final say. 4. I don't understand this point. We had already established that an Italian translation is in the Vatican awaiting final approval for publication with an offical interpretation. Your translation is from the 1990's but here you say that the Italian translation sent to the Vatican for approval is the work of a Monseignor and several priests in 2017. Was your English translation approved before the 2017 Italian translation? This also begs the same questions I asked at point no. 2. 5. What do you mean when you say that you have the approval of the Archbishop of Trani? How can the Bishop of Trani's jurisdiction extend to another diocese with its own resident Bishop? 6. All Diocesan Bishops have a heavy workload but they have staff to help them. Is your Bishop a one man band? I'm well aware that my relationship with Heaven doesn't have a chain of command. Are you aware that Jesus didn't give the Keys to you, me or Luisa? From the little I know about Luisa, she wasn't the type of lady whose response would be a dismissive "You wait for the Pope". It's good if reading Luisa's writings brings you closer to God. Prayer groups are always good. Spreading the word about someone the Church has declared a Servant of God is also good. My issue is with the number of times Luisa's writing are quoted with what appear to be people's own interpretation of what they mean or pertain to when those interpretations might transpire to be out of line with the Church's interpretation. Patience didn't drop off the list of virtues because you aren't willing to "wait for the Pope".
