Speculation on who will be Pope and why...

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by mothersuperior7, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Freedom

    Freedom Angels

    I have been watching Cardina Al-Rahi too. There is something strangely compelling about him, I think. From all the press about him he seems very charismatic. The fact the odds on him being Pope are so far against him are even more intriguing since according the Locutions to the World blog Mary has kept our next Pope hidden and close.
    He also seems to be the most likely candidate to go into the Middle East and get his hands dirty, so to speak. Besides he's been in Russia this past week.

    I spoke to our parish priest, a Canon, who advised me that among his peers it is felt the next Pope is most likely to be an Italian. At the same time he told me of the saying that 'he who enters the conclave a Pope, turns out a Cardinal.'
     
  2. Mary's child

    Mary's child Guest

    What does that saying mean Freedom?
     
  3. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Archangels

    It means that he who is a dead cert for Pope entering the Conclave will end up not getting the job.

    What do people here think about Cardinal Raymond Burke anyways? He seems a very holy person and he is currently in the Vatican working as their equivalent of President of the Supreme Court, so like he is obviously a senior person and could be considered for the job? I think he'd make a great Pope.
     
  4. Mary's child

    Mary's child Guest

    Thank you Scolaire Bocht. :)

    I have no idea who we will get to be completely honest with you, I am just looking forward to finding out who he is. :D
     
  5. I agree, Freedom, there is something compelling about him.
    In 1978 the center of troubles was, I think, Poland, and the communism in Europe. That was the big center of tensions, and God brought up a holy Pope precisely from that core of conflicts .... and untied the knot.

    Now a huge conflict area is the Middle East and the Arab/Muslim world. It kind of makes a lot of sense to me that a charismatic figure from the Middle East, and Arab, devoted to Mary and very devoted to the Church and the Pope, an heir to one of the most ancient local traditions in the Church could be called into the spot to continue the fight that he is already fighting but from the highest place of authority.

    It's also interesting that the little that is said about him matches fully what is said in the Locutions about the next Pope: outspoken, who speaks the whole truth whether people want to listen or not. This is a trait of his character, you cannot improvise this when someone is elected a Pope, in the same way that the election doesn't change a person who is shy, or whatever other aspects of their personality.

    Soon we will know. Meanwhile we keep praying :)
     
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  6. Freedom

    Freedom Angels

    I think we will know very soon.
    Is anyone else thinking about March 18 this year? An important date for the church??
     
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  7. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    He might make a good Pope I don't think there will be a Pope from the USA:(. As a superpower you are not universally popular & would give Islamic extremist a real target;) so a USA Pope would be deemed way too political for some.
     
  8. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Archangels

    I guess... I know a lot of people think he will be Italian but if we going to get a very holy Pope, as some suggest, then he might fit tht bill? Well we can dream anyways I guess!
     
  9. VERY COOL! Wouldn't that be something!![​IMG][​IMG]


    Subject: Cardinal Burke

    http://www.taylormarshall.com/2013/03/pope-prediction-10-reasons-cardinal.html


    Pope Prediction: 10 Reasons Cardinal Burke Will Be the Next Pope
    Posted by Taylor Marshall

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    I'm making a very bold and controversial claim: His Eminence Raymond Cardinal Burke will be the next Pope. I'm going to provide you with 10 solid reasons why the cardinals will rally to him in the conclave for the required 2/3 vote majority.

    Let's be honest. Most people are claiming (or grumbling) that Cardinal Burke will never be elected as Pope. They say he's too heavy-handed, too ceremonial, too traditional, too political, and too serious to be papabile. If you're one of those people who think Burke is the best cardinal for the job, but look at your toes and sigh: "It'll never happen," then keep reading.

    The problem is that the Burke naysayers are thinking like journalists and voters. (By the way, one of my favorite daily blogs: Rorate Coeli explains why the journalists get it wrong.)

    When the doors of the conclave close, men who would usually vote one way, vote another. Under the staring eyes painted onto the ceiling of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel, these cardinals know that history is being made. The Pope they elect will have a difficult vocation. The Pope they elect will change the lives of billions of people both now...and in the future.

    I want to challenge you to think like a cardinal in 2013. The cardinals are worried. Most cardinals knew that Pope Benedict had considered abdication, but most of them never thought it could actually happen. Here we are 50 years after the Council, right in the middle of the Year of Faith, and then suddenly the Pope resigns.

    Globally, the Catholic Church faces accusations. Here and there in local dioceses, there are spots of financial and sexual scandal (for example, in Los Angeles). The rumors in Rome surrounding Vatileaks, the Butler, and the Bank are still circulating. Cardinal O'Brien of Scotland just stepped down. The question of secular politicians and the Church is a concern. There is growing debate about liturgy and the Extraordinary Form. The SSPX dialogue fell flat. So in the middle of this storm, Pope Benedict abdicates. I think this is all part of the divine plan (Here's my post explain why I think the Blessed Virgin Mary asked Pope Benedict stepped down), but let's be honest. It's a traumatic time. Yet, whenever there is trauma, conservatism reigns.

    The Cardinals will rally to a holy man who will prayerfully clean house and face down the evils, scandals, and rumors. There is only one cardinal who has vocalized a plan of attack for the political, liturgical, and canonical problems in the Church: his name is Raymond Cardinal Burke.

    Cardinal Burke is the only one who has explicitly proclaimed a way forward in these times of trouble. As in the last papal conclave, the cardinals will turn to a man who operates on sound principles. A man whose virtue is known by all. A man of the Gospel.

    With that being said, here are the 10 reasons why Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke will be elected Pope.

    1. Burke is an open advocate for using canon law in defense of the sacraments and God's honor. He's a hardliner against pro-abortion Catholic politicians. He has openly spoken out against American and Irish Catholic politicians who advocate abortion, homosexual unions, etc. As Pope, he would back cardinals who have difficult decisions to make back home.

    2. Burke thinks seriously. He is theologically orthodox and can spot dissent. If you thought Ratzinger was a Rottweiler, then just look out! Burke once forced the cancellation of a Sheryl Crowe concert at a Catholic hospital...because she's pro-abortion. He sacked a St Louis Catholic basketball coach for supporting abortion and embryonic destruction. Cardinal Burke isn't afraid to play ball.

    3. His Eminence celebrates and promotes the Latin Mass and a reverent Novus Ordo. This is huge. Cardinal Schonborn's balloon Mass is not the way of the future of Catholicism. All the cardinals feel this. Pope Benedict moved us away from all that. Cardinal Burke will continue to carry Benedict's liturgical torch. Cardinal Burke brings noble dignity to the Holy Sacrifice of Mass.

    4. ...which leads to the SSPX. As long as Benedict XVI is alive, it will be necessary for the next Pope to bring resolution to this traditionalist soap-opera. The reconciliation of the SSPX would be the greatest possible gift to Benedict's living legacy. To use baseball terminology, it would equate to a relief pitcher saving the game and earning a "win" for the starting pitcher who got behind in the run count.

    5. Speaking of the Latin Mass, Cardinal Burke has traditional liturgical flare (for example, he wears the cappa magna without blinking an eye). With rumors and scandals floating everywhere, Catholics are desperate to see visual dignity restored to the Holy See.

    6. Burke will help the cardinals and bishops do what they know they need to do: discipline dissenting Catholic politicians. Burke called the US Democratic party "the party of death" and accused Barack Obama of being "anti-life and anti-family." He's not afraid. The cardinals need a Pope standing behind them who speaks like this.

    7. Cardinal Burke speaks the minimum languages necessary for a Supreme Pontiff: English, French, Latin and Italian.

    8. Cardinal Burke is the perfect age: 64. Almost everyone is convinced that the cardinals will elect a cardinal in his mid to late 60s.

    9. He is the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. This is a really big deal. The years to come require expertise in canon law, not just theology. Cardinal Burke is already a Vatican insider. He already has experience at the highest canonical authority, second only to the Supreme Pontiff himself.

    10. Most importantly, Cardinal Burke is extremely Marian. He has great devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. He continues the tradition beginning with Pope Pius IX and extending up to Bl John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. For me, Fatima is the key to everything going on in the Catholic Church. I think Cardinal Burke feels the same way. Moreover, he is close to the Friars of the Immaculate and he helped establish the shrine to Our Lady of Guadalupe in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Please also read Cardinal Burke's piece on "Our Lady of America.

    Let me add one more - an eleventh reason: nobody suspects Cardinal Burke to be elected. That is almost always a necessary feature of a papal candidate.

    So there you have it: 10 reasons (plus one) why the cardinals will rally to Cardinal Burke in the conclave. You'll see Cardinal Burke in a white cassock before end of March...maybe even donning the old tiara!
     
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  10. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    I believe whom ever it is will be 100% Marian. I am not saying that Cardinal Burke is not Marian, but whomever it is, you will know him first and foremost because he will pronounce Mary and Mary's messages from the very depths of his heart.
     
  11. Jane

    Jane Angels

    It had angered me that our Cardinal had spoken against Pope Benedict. Why would he do this?
    Jesus stands for our Church. God elected Pope Benedict, and might I add did a great job, in a time where people are going against God's laws and replacing it with 'feel good' laws.
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    This morning at mass, Father even mentioned it is wrong that a cardinal can suggest Pope Benedict's resignation is 'destabilizing the church'.
    I was so glad he said that.:)

    Why is it, some people like to kick others when they are down?
    I call them 'bullies'.

    Obedience, Obedience, Obedience. We must stay obedient to our Holy Father. We must listen to what the church tells us.

    I believe Pope Benedict is a smart man. What he did, was nothing but 'clever'. He is making sure our next Pope is a very Holy Pope.

    "Jesus, I trust in You."
     
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  12. themilitantcatholic

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    Benedict appointed 67 of the 115, then add the ones from John Paul II, so I would assume that the next pope will lean towards tradition.
     
  13. Jane

    Jane Angels

    I would think you're right.
    That is why Pope Benedict was very clever to resign, to make sure one the right one gets in. :)
     
  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I think the next Pope will be martyed withmany others Popes, all killed at the one go; thats why I think anotnelli is mentioned in the prophesy, he is one of the ones to be killed.
    Norman funnyily enough the death of Pope Benedict is mentioned in another prophecy beore the election. I will pray for him, but you know in the light of what's coming death may well be a mercy for the poor man. He has suffered enough.:(
     
  15. Donna A

    Donna A Guest

    I love Timothy Cardinal Dolan.....
     
  16. SteveD

    SteveD Guest

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    I hope not! He was warned not to invite BO as guest of honour at the Al Smith dinner and not only did so but was smiling/laughing as though the arch abortionist (supporter of 'partial birth' abortion - i.e. murder) were his best friend. I am sorry this guy has a vote.
     
  17. Donna A

    Donna A Guest

    Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes....you can't always preach to the choir.....
     
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  18. Donna A

    Donna A Guest

    Dear President Obama,
    In my capacity as President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, I write to express my congratulations on your re-election as President of the United States. The people of our country have again entrusted you with a great responsibility. The Catholic Bishops of the United States offer our prayers that God will give you strength and wisdom to meet the difficult challenges that face America.
    In particular, we pray that you will exercise your office to pursue the common good, especially in care of the most vulnerable among us, including the unborn, the poor, and the immigrant. We will continue to stand in defense of life, marriage, and our first, most cherished liberty, religious freedom. We pray, too, that you will help restore a sense of civility to the public order, so our public conversations may be imbued with respect and charity toward everyone.
    May God bless you and Vice President Biden as you prepare for your second term in service to our country and its citizens.
    Sincerely yours,
    Timothy Cardinal Dolan
    Archbishop of New York
    President
     
  19. SteveD

    SteveD Guest

    I don't think that the Cardinal is preaching, unfortunately. 'You are a murderer' doesn't usually elicit a laugh and is not usually said while smiling.
     
  20. Mary's child

    Mary's child Guest

    Jesus ate with tax collectors etc as He came to save the lost. We have to be very careful with statements such as these.
     
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