So what exactly is it about Modernism that is so bad.

Way too broad question?

But could start a interesting thread

 

I think, as the Apostles were told to do, that we as Christians must separate ourselves from the "world" in a lot of ways. We must live in the world, but not be of the world. This has always been the struggle for not only lay Christians, but also consecrated religious throughout the centuries, which we can see by many of the orders having to be reformed over the centuries, because they had become too worldly. Most of the martyrs throughout history died because of the world imposing on their conscience, and they had to choose: God or the World. I think modernism is a loose term, because it can mean many things in society, but if you are referring to modernism in the Catholic Faith then that seems to be quite a debate for the last 50 years. Basically, it's very easy. What is the motive? For example, a parish wants to stop kneeling at the consecration and petitions Rome about it or just stops on their own. This happened in my town. The motive? It was too awkward and uncomfortable for everyone to be up and down. They took the kneelers out of the Church. Anyone who wanted to kneel and obey the Rubrics was on the hard floor and was basically made a spectacle of. So how does NOT kneeling glorify God? Well, no one apparently cared about that, or obedience to Rome. Anyway, they called this "modernism". So that's just an example I could think of. What is wrong with it outside disobeying Rome? Well anyone who has to ask themselves that question probably is already gone and of the world.

 

Modernism teaches that what is and isn't a sin can change over time, and that the Church should adapt to fit into society. They are wrong.

 

Modernism threatens the Church like no other heresy because modernism refuses to argue the Church’s doctrines openly and directly.Instead, modernism attempts to sap the Church of its relevance.Rather than attack the doctrines of God openly like previous heresies, modernism simply distracts the modern man by offering the allure of materialism...

 

I recently attended Mass in a "modern" church in Germany. I found it to be an utterly cheerless place. The sanctuary was so bare, there were no holy images or even a crucifix... just this modern-art-type cross with a big red ball in the middle of it.

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I had to search hard to find the tabernacle, and when I found it, I almost cried... it looked like a chimney in a prison cell. Cold and unwelcoming. Definitely not a fit place for a King!

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Whoa! What the heck is that red ball anyway? LOL Now I have to look that up!

 

Sad, sad sad

 

Oh boy! There are a few different things that red ball could be, but it says they are put on "demon" altars to symbolize a crystal ball and the red is for passion and renewal. They are also used on Wiccan altars...

 

I would not recognize that as a Catholic Church had I stumbled in.....pathetic

 

It actually looked like a lovely traditional church from the outside. I was staying next door to it for 10 days and was looking forward to Mass there on Sunday since it was locked all the time otherwise. Was I ever disappointed. I imagine it was once a lovely traditional church until someone decided to do a modern "makeover". Awful.

 

The Evolution of Doctrine

26. To finish with this whole question of faith and its shoots, it remains to be seen, Venerable Brethren, what the Modernists have to say about their development. First of all they lay down the general principle that in a living religion everything is subject to change, and must change, and in this way they pass to what may be said to be, among the chief of their doctrines, that of Evolution. Pope Pius X.

Sounds a lot like Cardinal Kasper and his plans for the divorced. A true modernist.

 

Modernists vent all their gall and hatred on Catholics who sturdily fight the battles of the Church. But of all the insults they heap on them those of ignorance and obstinacy are the favourites.[pascendi]

 

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10moath.htm

Not to sure why this was stopped. Maybe the modernists didnt like it.

 

One thing about modernism that I've always found sad, was, and I'm using real life examples here
1. nuns dressed like new-agers. A nun dressing in track suit bottoms and T-shirts all the time, even at mass, is weird.
2. Priests wearing a tie. They just look like business men.

I suppose, to sum up why I find no good in modernism, all I need to use is three letters: ACP.
The Association of 'catholic' Priests are a disgrace and, in my opinion, define modernism - anything goes, married priests, women priests, gay relationships are not sinful, communion for the divorced, defending the recently excommunicated lay people who performed a 'mass' at home, lead by a 'silenced' priest that is held up as a martyr, though he wrote books and travels the globe talking, he's not really clear on the meaning of 'silenced' I think, open opposition to 'nonsense from Rome' ( As one ACP priest tweeted then deleted), making their own homily resources available to the priests via a website so all their sermons line up, founding activist groups like aciireland to get the lay people involved in promoting exactly the same ideas they have, setting themselves up for schism with even their own name ' We are church Ireland', which is one element of a global alignment of similar groups of priests/nuns in other countries.

A titanic disgrace.


Modernism is just another way of phrasing dissent and setting up a culture of 'any thing' goes.

 

Ahhh Modernism, modernism the old war cry of the Traditionalists. This makes me chuckle. I have been hearing that war cry from early childhood as the tomahawks are taken to beat up on changes everywhere.

If I recall correctly Saint Pope Pius x in his Encyclical , 'The Syllabus of Errors'.

cf:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm


defines 'Modernism' as the 'Synthesis and worst of all heresies'

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...and I think as someone commented earlier , when we try to find out exactly what Modernism means it is hard to pin down, it is amorphous , meaning if you like everything and nothing . It means..well it appears to mean exactly what you want it to mean.

It reminds me a little bit of George W Bush and his famous, 'War on Terror'..a phrase which means exactly nothing and everything or whatever you wish it to mean.

 

I think there are two ways of looking at the world. One is that the glass is half full another that the glass is half empty. I tend to be very positive and think the glass is half full, modernists tend to think of the Church as a wagon train in which the wagons need to be parked in the one place for defense against a world of angry Indians looking for all our scalps. The trouble being if you keep your wagons in a tight circle, the danger is the wagons (and those in them) never get to go anywhere.

 

Was hoping someone would make this point.
I had just got through a huge document on modernism in the church, my head was hurting from trying to understand what it meant, and I realized I still didn't really know what the term meant.

 

No one could tell you what it meant. If it could be defined in terms it would be best in terms of what it is against. it would be much , much more difficult to define it in positive terms of what it is for.

In this sense it reminds me so much of Protestantism itself which is most clearly defined in terms of the negative, of protest. Rather than the positive, of what it is for.

This is a danger signal.

 

My two cents worth... To understand modernism we need to go back all the way to the book of Genesis. Listen to the words of the serpent - denying the word of God his direct command and promising to make Adam and Eve like God. That is I believe the reason that the Holy Pope St Pius the X called it the synthesis of all heresies for from it all others exist. True devotion to our beloved Mother the Holy Virgin defends us and destroys this noxious weed at its root. Here at the end of a long difficult day our Mother is with us - Bernadette awoke at dawn to meet her who stands on the moon, the little shepherds approached the holm oak at noon to meet her adorned with the sun, in our time in the evening crowned with twelve stars she visits the world daily. Let us pray for all the victims of this heresy and entrust the to our Immaculate mother. Great topic Jerry