Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I fail to see the connection between an alleged apparition from Heaven and a painting with a pagan theme.
    It’s not fair to generalize, and take things out of context. I do agree that DC is laid out with Freemason design, but that does not in my mind negate the fact that Heaven was also active during that time period. Archbishop John Carroll was active in establishing the first Catholic diocese in America during these early days of the US, the Baltimore Diocese, which encompassed DC at that time.
    We have to pray for discernment always.
    Remember how Saul was converted and became St Paul.
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  2. I didn't know about this painting. In the vision George Washington had, he described the angel as a dark shadowy angel more than once. Just speaking for myself, I do not regard that as a true prophecy. This pdf is very good to look through and study
    Firstly, the author goes through every time the Papacy had condemned Freemasonry. Then he goes through the encyclical Humanum Genus to state the reasons why the Catholic Church condemns Freemasonry
    First reason "Their ultimate aim is to uproot completely the whole religious and political order of the world, which has been brought into existence by Christianity, and to replace it by another in harmony with their way of thinking. This will mean that the foundation and the laws of the new structure of society will be drawn from pure Naturalism.

    Second reason is the political action which flows from displacing Christianity. Freemasonry strives to introduce its principles into the laws and institutions that govern man.

    Third reason is the secret methods used by Freemasons in the political sphere

    Fourth reason is the breakdown in moral standards which accompanies the influence of Freemasonry in politics and which indeed it sometimes uses deliberately as a weapon "Since in general no one obeys cunning and crafty schemers so readily as those whose courage and self-control have been sapped and broken by subjection to the yoke of their passions, there have been found in Freemasonry men who have proclaimed their determination to strive skillfully and cunningly to saturate the masses with every form of vice. They hope that the masses thus debased will be like putty in their hands to carry out their future projects, no matter what be their nature (Humanum Genus pg 12)

    Fifth reason is the danger which Freemasonry represents from the social point of view, for it prepares the way for Communism.
    The encyclical tells people to look to the Church as the central focus of resistance to Masonic subversion.
    It reads in part : "Whatever our Predecessors have decreed in view of opposing the designs and machinations of Freemasonry...all and each of these measures we ratify and confirm. Full of confidence in the goodwill of Christians we beg and beseech each one of them, for the sake of his eternal salvation to consider it a sacred obligation never in the least to deviate from what the Apostolic See has enjoined in this matter...and since it is becoming that we ourselves should indicate to you the most suitable line of conduct in the circumstances, we enjoin the following: First of all, tear away the mask from Freemasonry and let it be seen as it really is."
    Papal condemnations of Freemasonry
    Pope Clement XII 1738
    Pope Benedict XIV May 18, 1751
    Pope Pius VI
    Pope Pius VII 1821
    Pope Leo XII 1825 referred to Freemasonry as the Church's capital enemy.
    Pope Pius VIII 1829
    Pope Gregory XVI 1832 and 1839
    Pope Pius IX condemned Freemasonry in 1846, 1865, 1865, 1873, and 1876
    Pope Leo XIII Wrote an entire encyclical condemning Freemasonry called Humanun Genus April 20, 1884 and continued to condemn it in 1890, 1892, 1894 and 1902 "Let us remember that Christianity and Freemasonry are fundamentally irreconcilable, so much so that to adhere to one is to cut oneself off from the other."
    Pope Pius X 1906
    Pope Pius XI 1937 Pope Pius XI showed how Communism and Freemasonry had formed an alliance in the encyclical called Divini Redemptoris
    In 1946 and 1949 the Holy See declared, "Scottish rite masonry falls under the condemnation decreed by the Church against Masonry in general, and there is no reason to grant any discrimination in favor of this category of Masons."
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

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    I am in no way condoning freemasonry. You know me better than that.
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  4. Agnes rose

    Agnes rose Archangels

    Im so sorry for your loss
  5. I am sorry that you had that impression from my post. I was not conveying that. It is shocking to me that this undercurrent has been operating since the foundation of this country. I am creeped out by it. I am going to educate myself more and warn when I can.
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Also we must concentrate on the way God established His Catholic Church in this country. He wins.
    Remember that Lucifer is the lord of this world. Yes, it surely is creepy. But while all this creepy stuff is going on , Heaven is not idle.
    Good to hear from you.
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  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Given by a past high 32nd degree Mason who taught its evil ways

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  8. I've never read any history where the man considered himself a god. Certainly Martha didn't!

    A couple of comments on the subject:

    Was George Washington seen as a "God" by his men?

    George Washington was certainly not deified by his men. He was a stern, serious, powerful man. He did not suffer fools, and any attempt to defer to him as a god would have insulted every sensibility in him and the offender would be shunned. He was more Christian than some of his contemporaries and that alone should suggest his demeanor and attitude at such an absurd proposal.

    He would reject deification as a foolish error in any serious man’s judgment. He would caution that this is the sort of nonsense the Romans postulated on the 12 Caesars - he then might suggest the fool educate himself by reading Suetonius and learn something about the insanity of any man being placed on a pedestal with the Almighty. I suspect, at best, he would laugh at this question and hope no thinking person held such a position. He thought of himself as a planter. He felt he was a great man, in a serious human sense. He knew what he had accomplished and it was through human effort, not some personally held divine power.

    I doubt that there is any soldier who voluntarily views his military commander as God, but in 1865, the artist Constantino Brumidi painted a fresco in the U.S. Capitol dome called The Apotheosis of Washington. In Ancient Greece and Rome, apotheosis referred to the process by which a mortal person became a god. I'm not sure Brumidi viewed Washington as a literal god, but his fresco certainly views Washington as metaphorically godlike.


    George Washington served eight years as the first President of the United States. He was the Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, and chairman of the Constitutional Convention that composed the Constitution. He is often called the "Father of our country." Surely of all men he would have understood the views of the founding fathers about the relationship between government and the Bible and faith in God.


    One view of Washington:



    He knew that it was taboo in his day for any person holding elected political office in the British colonies, especially in Virginia, to attend any church other than the official Church of England. Even Patrick Henry, who was probably the most out-spoken Christian of the founding fathers, favored Presbyterianism but still attended an Anglican Church. [2]

    Washington focused his education on preparing to be soldier, a farmer, and a statesman. Not a parson. With what he knew about the Bible, he knew that he could apply the Scriptures in normal, everyday life as a soldier, farmer, and statesman.

    Freemasonry appears to have been new on the scene in the American colonies during the life of Washington. The lodges of Freemasonry provided a new place for many politicians and farmers of that time to socialize, but little is known about how Freemasonry was practiced in the colonies.

    Washington became involved for a while with Freemasonry. But during a correspondence with a concerned pastor, Washington stated that he did not believe the lodges of America had adopted the false doctrines of the Illuminati that English lodges followed. Furthermore, he wrote that he had not personally visited a lodge more than once or twice in a period of thirty years. [3]

    While a man of his times, Washington demonstrated his Christian faith in three ways: (1) His confession of Christ; (2) His confession of other foundational Christian doctrines; (3) The fruits of the Spirit in his life.


    Throughout his lifetime, Washington wrote and said many things that were recorded by historians. Several of those quotes either explicitly or implicitly confess the Lord Jesus Christ, and they are an evidence of his genuine faith. Below are a few examples.

    Washington’s Commendation to the Delaware Indian Chiefs

    While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by the Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. Washington commended the chiefs for their decision, saying:

    “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.” [4]

    This is an example of Washington making an explicit confession of Christ. He could not be accused of playing to the crowd because his audience was a group of pagan Indians who had no reason to be impressed by his recommendations of Christianity.

    Washington’s Supplications in His Prayers

    On April 21-–23, 1891, several descendant relatives of George Washington sold a remarkable collection of Washington’s personal belongings in a Philadelphia auction. Among them was a manuscript book written in Washington’s handwriting entitled “Daily Sacrifice.” One of the prayers Washington had recorded in that book read:

    O most glorious God, in Jesus Christ my merciful and loving Father, . . . remember that I am but dust, and remit my transgressions, negligences, & ignorances, and cover them all with the absolute obedience of thy dear Son, that those sacrifices which I have offered may be accepted by thee, in and for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ offered upon the cross for me; for his sake, ease the burden of my sins, and give me grace that by the call of the Gospel I may rise from the slumber of sin into the newness of life. . . . These weak petitions I humbly implore thee to hear accept and ans. [sic] for the sake of thy Dear Son Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen. (emphasis added) [5]


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  9. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    That's kind of creepy.
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    If you click on this link, the approved and not approved vaccines and cosmetics and foodstuffs will be listed, current to today, I think.
    Children of God for Life
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thanks for posting this clarification of Washington’s Christian faith.
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  12. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    Actually, that's in keeping with the culture and the art of the time. This work was done at a time when many of the founding fathers were held up to schoolchildren as models, and so stories arose around them. For example, the young Washington cutting down a cherry tree; when his father asked who did it, Washington stepped up saying "I cannot tell a lie". The picture is just the artistic version of that movement, and should be considered as an example of the high respect commanded by Washington, and not any actual deification.
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  13. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

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  14. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Maranatha

    I finally watched this video in full.
    I am actually surprised that you posted it, Fatima, because from ~37.30 min mark, John Salza talks about some of the errors of Vatican II, including the Novus Ordo mass.
    From your responses on the thread - 'The "Novus Ordo Paradigm" — What It Is and Why It Matters', I would have thought that you wouldn't agree with him.

  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I think it was Michael Matt who recently said that the conservative/orthodox side need to stop perpetually sniping over details (not to say they are unimportant). He contrasted ourselves with the Left, who (and history tells us how ruthlessly they deal with their own splits, once they have gained total power) bury their differences in their common assault on orthodoxy and tradition.

    Whatever our disagreement with John Salza with respect to the status of the Novus Ordo, we should be thankful of the honest witness he has borne against Freemasonry.
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes! Totally agree. The sniping has been relentless.:eek:
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  17. .....and the chip could be the conduit

    Tech giants want to read our thoughts – and the implications are frightening

    Straight out of a science fiction novel, our future might be as cyborgs, and those who don’t adapt will lose out

    Not content with monitoring almost everything you do online, Facebooknow wants to read your mind as well. The social media giant recently announced a breakthrough in its plan to create a device that reads people’s brainwaves to allow them to type just by thinking. And Elon Musk wants to go even further. One of the Tesla boss’s other companies, Neuralink, is developing a brain implant to connect people’s minds directly to a computer.

    Musk admits that he takes inspiration from science fiction and that he wants to make sure humans can “keep up” with artificial intelligence. He seems to have missed the part of sci-fi that acts as a warning for the implications of technology.

    These mind-reading systems could affect our privacy, security, identity, equality and personal safety. Do we really want all that left to companies with philosophies such as that of Facebook’s former mantra, “move fast and break things”?

    Though they sound futuristic, the technologies needed to make brainwave-reading devices are not that dissimilar to the standard MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) and EEG (electroencephalography) neuroscience tools used in hospitals all over the world. You can already buy a kit to control a drone with your mind, so using one to type out words is, in some ways, not that much of a leap. The advance will likely be due to the use of machine learning to sift through huge quantities of data collected from our brains and find the patterns in neuron activity that link thoughts to specific words.

    A brain implant is likely to take a lot longer to develop, and it’s important to separate out the actual achievements of Neuralink from media hype and promotion. But Neuralink has made simultaneous improvements in materials for electrodes and robot-assisted surgery to implant them, packaging the technology neatly so it can be read via USB.

    Facebook and Neuralink’s plans may build on established medical practice. But when companies are collecting thoughts directly from our brains, the ethical issues are very different.

    Any system that could collect data directly from our brains has clear privacy risks. Privacy is about consent. But it is very difficult to give proper consent if someone is tapping directly into our thoughts. Silicon Valley companies (and governments) already surreptitiously gather as much data on us as they can and use it in ways we’d rather they didn’t. How sure can we be that our random and personal thoughts won’t be captured and studied alongside the instructions we want to give the technology?

    Discrimination and manipulation

    One of the existing ethical issues with data gathering is discrimination based on attributes such as gender or race that can be discerned from the data. Providing a window into people’s minds could make it easier to determine other things that might form the basis of prejudice, such as sexuality or political ideology, or even different ways of thinking that might include things like autism.

    How to stop Facebook tracking you across the internet

    With a system that taps directly into your brain, not only could your thoughts be stolen, but it’s also possible they could be manipulated as well. Brain stimulation is already being developed to help treat PTSD and reduce violence. There are even sensational claims that it can be used to upload knowledge directly just like in the film The Matrix.

    A predictable step would be to combine the “in” and “out” technologies for a two-way brain-computer interface. The potential for governments to make us more compliant, for employers to force us to work harder, or for companies to make us want more of their products underlines just how seriously we should take this technology.

    If mind-reading devices become the normal way to interact with computers, we may end up with little choice but to use them in order to keep up with more productive colleagues. (Imagine someone today applying for an office job but refusing to use email.) And if Neuralink-style implants become the norm, this could also lead to greater inequality determined by what level of kit you could afford to have installed.

    Elon Musk has stated that the enormous loan required to afford Neuralink surgery would be offset by potential earnings for the “enhanced”. The idea of people feeling pressured to take on huge debts to have surgery just to keep their job comes straight from a sci-fi dystopia.

    On top of all this is the more direct physical threat of having systems physically intruding on our brains. While some people may want to modify their brain with a computer interface (there are already plenty of experimental biohackers), to roll this out on a large scale would require massive and thorough testing.

    Given Silicon Valley’s reputation (and penchant) for breaking things rather than stopping to think them through, these systems will need close regulation and ethical review even before testing begins. Otherwise it risks creating mutilated human guinea pigs.

    For all this, there could be huge advantages to continuing research in this area, particularly for those suffering from paralysis or sensory impairment. But Silicon Valley should not be able to dictate the way these technologies are developed and deployed. If they do, it may radically reshape the way we identify as human.

    Garfield Benjamin is a postdoctoral researcher in the School of Media Arts and Technology at Solent University. This article first appeared on The Conversation

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  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I still have to read through all of the posts here related to George Washington, imo this is an interesting discussion.

    I noticed that Wikipedia has the following on George Washington's page,

    Washington emphasized religious toleration in a nation with numerous denominations and religions. He publicly attended services of different Christian denominations and prohibited anti-Catholic celebrations in the Army.[374] He engaged workers at Mount Vernon without regard for religious belief or affiliation. While president, he acknowledged major religious sects and gave speeches on religious toleration.[375] He was distinctly rooted in the ideas, values, and modes of thinking of the Enlightenment,[376] but he harbored no contempt of organized Christianity and its clergy, "being no bigot myself to any mode of worship".[376] In 1793, speaking to members of the New Church in Baltimore, Washington proclaimed, "We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition."[377]
    The above paragraph is taken from the section on "Religion and Freemasonry" at this link .


    Curently, I have been watching the HBO miniseries "John Adams" from 2008. I have one last episode to view but I have found it to be very, very good and I think that those who are interested in the beginnings of the United States of America and John Adams and his family, along with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin etc. would really enjoy this miniseries. I highly recommend this miniseries. If you do take the time to watch I don't think that you will be disappointed and you will probably notice that although many things have changed in the USA in the past 250 years or so many things have not.

    The interesting thing about John Adams besides being our first vice president, our second president and the father of our 6th president is that he kept a diary from the time he was around 12 years old until right before his death on July 4th, 1826 exactly 50 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence which I consider to be a sign of some sort. The diary appears to form a pretty good historical reference for his life and the times that he lived in. In addition, John Adams never owned any slaves and he fought very hard for peace after the American Revolution.

    Back to the discussion here, imo one of the greatest things if not the greatest thing that the USA offers its citizens is freedom of religion. There are, of course, other nations that do this also but our nation was founded on this and other premises. I often think of the short time that Jesus Christ shared his ministry with the people of Judea, he exclaimed "Follow me". Our Lord never forced anyone to follow him but I am sure that graces have been poured out on our nation despite our many mistakes due to the fact that we have enabled any citizen of the USA to follow Him as He suggested.

    Edited to add:

    I never realized that Thomas Jefferson died on the very same day as John Adams also on July 4th, 1826 exactly 50 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed, amazing.
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    I loved both the book and the series on John Adams.
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