I would see a Clinton-ruled US as a far more plausible advocate of NWO than Russia. Russia would never have put her toes in Syria had Obama/Clinton not decided to take out Assad. Aleppo may be horrific, but at least Assad/Putin are trying to finally end the war with a grand victory which is morally preferable to an unending undecidable conflict. Take note of that Syrian nun (they're still proper nuns in those parts, not social workers) who pointed out this week that there are other Aleppos being inflicted by the 'rebels', but which are wholly ignored by the Obama/Clinton media (and, boy, do they own them, lock, stock and barrel). Iran is a dangerous player, and Israel would like us to think the most dangerous, but I think the Saudis and perhaps the Turks are the real puppet-masters. They have Obama and particularly Clinton in their pockets.
Actually the change in the Soviet Union, in the form of the great sacrifice through the Pope's Polish Solidarity win, came as a reward of his establishing the Marian Year in 1987. 1988 - Dec. 18 - Under Wałęsa's leadership, Solidarity decided to pursue a peaceful solution, and the pro-violence faction never attained any substantial power, nor did it take any action. 1989 - Round-table talks between Solidarity, the Communists and the Catholic Church pave the way for fall of communism in Poland. Partially free elections see landslide win for Solidarity, which helps form coalition government. Tadeusz Mazowiecki becomes the first non-Communist Polish prime minister since 1946.. 1990 - Walesa elected president of Poland. Market reforms, including large-scale privatisation, are launched. 1991 - First parliamentary elections since fall of communism. Soviet troops start to leave Poland. The grace given after another world consecration offered by JPII in 1984 (as similar graces given for prior Popes' various consecrations of the world) was the prevention of the planned world war of 1985! Spirit Daily: ...... years later, in 1993, Sister Lucia told a visiting Filipino cardinal, Ricardo Vidal, that the 1984 consecration by John Paul “prevented an atomic war that would have occurred in 1985.” Prevented an atomic war! (This was the era when tensions were at a peak between the U.S. and Soviet hardliners such as Yuri Andropov and Konstantin Chernenko.) In September of 1985, in an interview in Sol de Fatima magazine (published by the Blue Army in Spain), Sr. Lucia confirmed that the consecration still had not been done, because the 1984 ceremony did not mention Russia, and the world’s Catholic bishops did not participate. Later in the year, Cardinal Edouard Gagnon acknowledged in another interview that the consecration had still not been done as requested. He later objected to having his remarks published, though he did not deny making them. The Sisters of Lucia's Carmel knew only of statements made by Sr. Lucy while she was under total obedience to C. Bertone (who wished to banish Fatima to the past) for what she could say publicly and which then had to be in agreement with what was "officially" offered by the hierarchy. Her statements made in various private interviews otherwise spoke the truth....which actually, to any thinking and faithful individual, can only stand under the facts of history.
Russia doesn't have to be a proponent of the NWO....it only has to be used as the spark that is willing to ignite the world chaos necessary to place the world population into the desired situation of total need and dependency upon some ultra power (and probably the one/ones with the greatest gold reserves who will have formed the Global Reserve Currency - perhaps those at the moment with the Petro Special Drawing Rights/Petro SDR - no more dollar) for continuing its basic survival. When in such dire need it will for the most part welcome any such "universal savior" type/s even if demanding soul surrender.
Sister Lucia appears to have changed her mind between the 1985 interview and her letter in 1989. This need not be so sinister. She may have made an honest mistake. Perhaps the consecration was more valid than she initially realised. Maybe she received more information about it in the interim. Perhaps prayer and events played a part. Andropov and Chernenko were tough nuts. Was it not a bit of a miracle for Gorbachev (who has since become a Christian-perhaps he always was, I strongly suspect his late wife always was) to succeed in gaining power in such a ruthless institution as the Soviet Communist Party? How did such a manifestly decent man rise through such a cesspool? Or was he also ruthless only to suddenly and very unusually transform into a decent man upon assuming power-this in itself would be something of a miracle. For such an evil empire to disintegrate so quickly with so little bloodshed is an event that runs so contrary to the normal course of history as to beg the question.
That is unsubstantiated speculation. I don't think you have shown anything to prove your outrageous and slanderous accusation of 'soul surrender' by the Russians. They're not weak, effete Westerners and don't show many signs of giving up easily to me. Your scenario of an irresistible world order seems to me to be a jumping the gun to the time of the Antichrist of the Book of Revelation (whom many take as a 'universal saviour') and seems to contradict the outline of the future prophesied by the approved prophets. You may turn out to be right but until the evidence backs you up, I'll stick with the approved scenario.
Seeing how all this is playing out, I'm feeling an ever increasing sense of detachment alongside a almost compulsive fascination with it. I'm inclined to agree with those who say that towards the end times the Church will go through a period similar to Christ's passion. So, what do we have to watch out for? 1. A Judas like figure in the hierarchy. Judas was the Apostle who complained about the expensive oils being used to anoint Jesus instead of spending the money on the poor. The rest of the apostles didn't cop on to the dishonesty of Judas until after he sold Jesus to the Romans for thirty pieces of silver. For all we know, Judas could have intended to give some of the money to the poor. We do know that the apostles claimed afterwards that he was stealing from their common purse. The Blessed Eucharist is Jesus, body, blood, soul and divinity. Selling the Blessed Eucharist is the only way a modern Judas could imitate the original Judas. I'm not sure, however, whether there will be a single Judas or a proportion of the hierarchy will be Judas like because there were only twelve apostles and we have hundreds of Cardinals and Bishops. 2. The Sanhedrin, decided to do nothing but adopt a wait and see approach. But the Sanhedrin were believers in the old law. As far as I can figure out, they wern't all Pharisees. Some expected a Messiah to come and lead them to victory. Others didn't believe in a Messiah. Some believed in everlasting life and some didn't. None of them protected Jesus but neither did they hand Him over in exchange for money. I suppose the Apostles became our version of the Sanhedrin. And the Apostles were far from brave at the time of the Passion. Only St. John was at the crucifixion as far as we know. So, we can't expect too much from the hierarchy in the early stages. 3. The believers will be persecuted both by people who think they are acting in good faith (both lukewarm or apostate Catholics and people of other religions) and secular governments (the Romans). I know that the Romans were actually pagans, but they were the earthly power as secularists are today's earthly power. 4. The temple (our tabernacles and churches) will be destroyed by the secularists. There's much talk these days about Jesus condemning the pharisees for their adherence to the letter rather than the spirit of the law. Jesus, however, also said of the Pharisees "do as they say, not as they do". It was for their hypocrisy that Jesus condemned the Pharisees. What nobody mentions is that it was the Pharisees who conspired with the Romans, and it was the Pharisees who opened the gates of Jerusalem. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were in dispute, and the Pharisees turned to the Romans for help - they trusted the Romans. The Romans desecrated the Temple, setting up a false idol in the sanctuary which was a sign for the Christians to take to hiding in the hills and caves. (I think I've got that right). Now, we know that the Church is considered the new Jerusalem. So who will be the modern equivalents of the Pharisees opening the gates to the Romans? Who will invite the secularists into the Church? Does the above make sense? I get in a muddle trying to figure it all out.
Makes great sense. Would the German church be an example of selling the Eucharist (and all the other sacraments)?
Please re-read. I was speaking of the world population left over after horrendous destruction that will, within the limits of human nature, be tested to sell its soul by receiving the sovereignty of the AC type power over the world at the time. NOWHERE did I specify in any way solely Russia as the "soul surrenderer". Sheesh! Nothing like putting false words in my writing for your purposes. I said that Russia doesn't even have to realize what the outcome of their own lust for power will initiate. They only have to be the spark that will create the world chaos which itself would be the foundation for the takeover by those in power....NWO or whatever you want to call it....IOW, Lucifer's world .... for that short time. I have no idea what your own accepted "approved scenario" for the future is. For any control of any world order leader, the world would have to first be put in such a state that such a power could order the complete control of the free wills of those who remain. The bunkers of the world aren't being established for nor could they possibly contain all the "little people". And IF some of those little ones can make it into the limited protections offered they would still wind up with more than likely only the clothes on their backs and in need of those with great control over the systems remaining. There would then be a scenario like "look around you....where is you God? You only have us to depend on". That "you will be tried like gold" of scripture could be fulfilled in such a scenario. Yet such a time for those faithful little ones who have been Consecrated can also contain the beginning of the 2nd Pentecost and those preternatural gifts that will only grow into the New Era of the Divine Will. An unapproved "message" but yet one that speaks to the seriousness of our current moments (in another thread of this forum)...Luz de Maria: YOU ARE NOT AT A PASSING INSTANT OR JUST ANOTHER INSTANT… YOU ARE AT THE INSTANT OF ALL INSTANTS WHEN YOU WILL BE TRIED LIKE GOLD IN THE CRUCIBLE. YOUR LIFE, YOUR WORKS, YOUR ACTS MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ONE SINGLE PURPOSE: THE DIVINE WILL.
I believe the suggested statements from Sister Lucia in a supposed interview from 1984 are totally false. The supposed interview can be read at http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr33/cr33pg13.asp What Lucia is supposed to have said in this 'mysterious' interview completely contradicts what we KNOW she said later. The nuns at her convent had (and have) complete access to her documents and they in no sense were relying on Cardinal Bertone for any of what they published. I find the whole situation surrounding what the Fatima Crusader group are telling us to be alarming. And I want to mention the video that Brian tried to introduce us to on another thread (Inside the Vatican: The Third Secret of Fatima). I managed to take a quick look at this video before it was blocked. It is an exceptionally high quality video, produced for the Fatima Crusader group, nominally in memory of Fr Gruner. It is clear that the group is going to push their agenda of the Consecration not having been made. The group is already pushing the "Pope Francis is bad" message which is already increasing on the internet. I definitely see the devil strongly at work in all this.
Not to get into the proverbial weeds here but what is your supposed interview from 1984? I did mention an interview with Sol de Fatima magazine of 1985. There is that interview in full. If that is the one you meant are you saying that the magazine interview was not witnessed or that the magazine spread a falsehood ....where it recorded Sr. Lucy mentioning: “many bishops attached no importance to it” meaning the consecration of 1984 and no mention of Russia then? Why are there so many who are so reluctant to simply mention that that obvious fact is a part of history.....no mention of Russia by name (along with no accompanied involvement of the bishops of the world) as ordered by God via His mother at Fatima? Seems pretty straight forward. And, with the relegation of such requests specifically made at Fatima to the past there has resulted a very long period up to the present that shows a lack of the faithful of knowing their own place in this mission and in those who do know of them being influenced by the various opinions offered by the hierarchy that there no longer exists the necessity of continuing to pray for the conversion of Russia along with the other requests made for each individual. So such activity currently by Russia in our world of today isn't only on the back of Russia, but also on the conscience of the Church (and the faithful who have been influenced themselves by the hierarchy to not individually fulfill their Mother's requests)! There is that mighty "If" contained in that "If my requests" aren't accomplished Russia will continue, etc.!! And so it is....today.
Since I made my last post I have tried to clarify details about 'Sol de Fatima' magazine interview. It is a real can of worms all the stuff posted on the Fatima Crusader website and presented in an extremely unclear way. The 'Sol de Fatima magazine of 1985' seems to have contained an undated interview. Look at this question from the interview: Question: John Paul II had invited all the bishops to join in the consecration of Russia, which he was going to make at Fatima on 13 May 1982 and which he was to renew at the end of the Holy Year in Rome on 25 March 1984, before the original statue of Our Lady of Fatima. Has he not therefore done what was requested at Tuy? Whatever the date of the 'interview' it was clearly before the consecration of 25 March 1984. The very clear statements from Sister Lucia in the recent book confirm that she believed that the 1984 Consecration was made as Our Lady requested. Additionally, in the book which contains many photographs, there is a photo of a rosary which Sister Lucia kept above her bed made up with stones from the Berlin Wall. This is a confirmation that she saw the link between the completion of the Consecration and the fall of the Soviet empire. And while I'm at it, let me post another quote from Medjugorje visionary, Mirjana, who clearly indicates her understanding of the significance of the 1984 Consecration: "The pope completed the consecration on March 25, 1984. As if on cue, the USSR suffered a series of military disasters, the worst of which took place on May 13, 1984, the anniversary of Fátima. After the election of moderate Mikhail Gorbachev , the dominos continued to fall. The Berlin Wall came down in 1989, and the first Christian Mass since the Communist Revolution was held at the iconic Cathedral of the Intercession of the Most Holy Virgin in Moscow’s Red Square on October 13, 1990— which happened to be the anniversary of Fátima’s Miracle of the Sun. A year later, the USSR was officially dissolved."
In fairness, can we depend on what comes out of Medjugorje? I do think the general gist of your argument seems sound. The alleged interview seems imprecise, while the document you quote from 1989 appears irrefutible. The events seem to speak for themselves. The events surrounding the collapse of the Soviet Union and her satellites are so extraordinary that hardly anyone since has discussed them. Hitler's empire collapsed only with the death of tens of millions. Lenin's and Stalin's, the one which Krushchev boasted would roll over us, fell with hardly a casualty. How on earth did this happen?
Pardon me if you think I am putting false words in your writing, but what you have written is somewhat ambiguous. If the 'it' in your very complicated (I can't make head nor tail of it, to be honest) first sentence which seems to refer to Russia, is a different referent to the 'it' in the second sentence, what does the latter 'it' refer to and how is one to know it is not referring to Russia? Can you see my dilemma? No matter how I read it I can't decipher your statement. I have no 'accepted "approved scenario" for the future'. I leave that for The Church to decide. That's why I am very cautious of that which is unapproved.
The date of the interview I mentioned was listed as September 1985: Second, in an interview which appeared in Sol de Fatima (September 1985), Sister Lucia was asked if the Pope fulfilled the request made by Our Lady at Tuy, Spain, when he consecrated the world on March 25, 1984. and.... On March 22, 1984, Sister Lucia was celebrating her seventy-seventh birthday at the Carmel of Coimbra. Her long-time friend, Eugenia Pestana, visited her, as was her annual custom. Eugenia asked her: "Lucia, Sunday is the Consecration?" referring to the March 25 date. Having already read the text of the Pope's speech, Sister Lucia answered: "That consecration cannot have a decisive character because Russia does not appear in it as the sole object of consecration." If Fatima should have been accomplished and completed in 1984 with, as listed by others, the many fulfilling effects having occurred shortly thereafter as "proof" of that, then why at Medjugorje is our Lady said to have stated that Medjugorje is Fatima ongoing and as yet to completion? Re: the fall of the Soviet Union.....well that name wasn't used at Fatima as what should occur to fulfill our Lady's requests there....Russia, which of course remained after the split up of the Soviet Union (and existed as well before that union was formed), is ongoing today itself in its intentions for and actions of aggression and WAS the name used in our Mother's requests which centered upon that name....no other. Hopefully Russia won't "blunder" into wars and repeat its history prior to 1917!
All big powers 'blunder', or otherwise, into wars. Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Ottoman Turkey, the US and any other powerful nation or empire in history has regularly gone to war. Our Lady didn't use the term 'Soviet Union' at Fatima because neither it nor the term existed and its usage may possibly have been an over-interference in the future and in the free will of those who founded it. There is a world of a difference between a nation state warring over its perceived interests and an ideological empire infecting the world with its infernal poison. Right now, it is not the Russians who are dictating to the poorer countries of the world that any 'aid' they might receive is conditional upon abortion, homosexual rights, gender equality, sterilisation and all the usual diseases. This is all coming from the once Christian West.
By repeating our Mother's exact requests in her own words approved by the Father...and not speculating on what she may have "missed", intentionally or not, is not at the same time white washing the evil instigators of the world. And yet, the same "invention" of atheistic materialism or Communism (always seems to begin as "socialism"), coming out of Russia in its origins and system/Marxist Leninism and since then spreading elsewhere, is what has influenced those "progressives" who by now have infiltrated the agencies of power and control and also do the work of the originator of that Godless system.
Sorry, I meant that Our Lady, from her position of unimaginably greater knowledge and wisdom than ours did not, intentionally or unintentionally 'miss' anything, but rather that she deliberately and intentionally did not use phrases that would have pre-empted their usage by others.
I have No Doubt that Obama, Billary and minions, political/media, are Useful-Idiots of satan. If I were to discover that a third of them were demons, I would not be surprised. As I have watched Earth Affairs unfold during my life (last 20 in particular), I have no reasonable explanation for many "things" except satanic. ALL SIGNS .... political, domestic, foreign, financial, "rumors of war" and religious prophecy ... ALL point to 2017 as a year of extreme unpleasantness. You have been warned, Warned & WARNED. Get Ready!! GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
"unpleasantness", Yes, but God has a few blessings in store for the faithful as well. It is a time for testing of true faith and will separate the "weeds from the wheat".
Muslims Stage Massive Protest, Chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ Outside Rome’s Colosseum ....... Many Roman citizens were visibly disturbed by the protest, noting that in its propaganda videos, the Islamic State has repeatedly employed images of the Colosseum when threatening to conquer Rome and the “Crusaders.” Two months ago, Italian police set up a high-security perimeter around the Colosseum, after the Islamic State issued a new threat to “conquer” Rome in its latest video. ........ A Bangladeshi Islamic group called Dhuumcatu reportedly organized the demonstration, saying that police had closed three makeshift mosques in Rome in the last few months. Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano did not deny the allegations, and in fact in August said that “mini mosques in garages” should not be allowed as it makes them difficult to monitor, possibly raising the risk of radicalization. ...... In an essay titled “Doing Counterterrorism Right,” Luttwak noted that despite many factors going against Italy, Islamic terrorists have failed to kill a single person on Italian soil. He contrasted Italy with France and Belgium, observing that although Italy is much more vulnerable than they are, it has been far more effective at stopping would-be terrorists before they strike. A cross now stands outside the Roman Colosseum with a plaque bearing the inscription: “The amphitheater, once consecrated to triumphs, entertainments, and the impious worship of pagan gods, is now dedicated to the sufferings of the martyrs purified from impious superstitions.” http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...hanting-allahu-akbar-outside-romes-colosseum/
