Signs in the sun, moon, and stars

I have downloaded Stellarium so I just checked Draco on and around 9/23/17 and I don't notice anything unusual, no floating stars come near it, no changes that I can see.
Trying to figure out that part of Revelations (Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth) is not easy. I wonder if in the heavens it represents the system that will bring on the chastisement? But on Earth I it may represent something else, Revelation 17 tells us that the 10 horns are 10 kings with no kingdom as of yet, but I hate to even write this but here it goes, I wondered if the seven heads/seven crowns represent the cardinals immediately reporting to Pope Francis or some future Pope, are there always 7? I want to say for the record that I am not a believer that Pope Francis is the false prophet. Some believe that the stars being swept out of the sky represent priests? Your guess is as good as mine, probably better.

 

That article is very long! I skimmed through it quickly, do you know how they got a picture of what they think is the red dragon?
I few posts back I posted that if you do bring up google sky there is something patched over but it must be small because there are visible objects next to it which are larger then the patch, also unless we can determine the path that this object is taking it remains useless in my opinion, and it difficult to determine that path from a still photo. Is there any place which explains how they determined this systems' path? Even Antonio Yague has stated that the system is still not visible. I can't help but feel that this was conjured up. IDK? But it is odd that it is popping up in so many places, now on Swiss currency.

 

The one date that we have for certain that was actually the date for the birth of Christ is Dec. 25....the year...maybe not exact. But look to all of the messages given to Fr. Gobbi for each Dec. 24/the night of....and I've been told to esp. read the message of Dec. 24, 1978:

HIS SECOND COMING

......His second coming, beloved children, will be like the first. As was his birth on this night, so also will be the return of Jesus in glory, before his final coming for the last judgment, the hour of which, however, is still hidden in the secrets of the Father. (interim coming)

The world will be completely covered in the darkness of the denial of God, of its obstinate rejection of Him and of rebellion against his Law of love. The coldness of hatred will still cause the roadways of this world to be deserted. Almost no one will be ready to receive Him.

......He will come to establish His kingdom in the world, after having defeated and annihilated his enemies.

.....Even in this second coming, the Son will come to you through his Mother. As the Word of the Father made use of my virginal womb to come to you, so also will Jesus make use of my Immaculate Heart to come and reign in your midst.

This is the hour of my Immaculate Heart, because the coming of Jesus' glorious reign of love is now in preparation.

And she speaks in other messages about her time in the desert (in scripture) where she works quietly and in silence.....within the hearts of those consecrated to her Immaculate Heart, which are her refuges....and esp. in the hearts of her priests who are consecrated.

 

Carol55 and Quis ut Deus;

Too many dates and info to compile into something useful just now; so I'm just going to give the dates and possible significance in regards to both of your posts.

Carol55, As Catholics we have much, MUCH greater sources of information than the Protestants. Not only the visions/prophecies of the saints, but of the Deuterocanonical books, which we accept as divinely inspired but which are rejected by Protestants. If you read 1 Macc 1:54 (both 1 and 2 Maccabees are rejected by Protestants, which is also the reason they don't teach praying for the dead or the existance of purgatory), 15 Kislev is specified as the date "...the king erected the desolating abomination upon the altar of burnt offerings, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars." IOW, the Abomination of Desolation, which was the burning of unclean animals on the Altar of Sacrifice in the Temple and the erection of pagan altars in Judah, occurred on 15 Kislev.

It's interesting to note that on 16 Kislev 5708 (29 Nov 1947) the UN voted to reestablish Israel as a Jewish State. 16 Kislev 5777 falls on 16 Dec 2016. A more significant date may be the next year, 16 Kislev 5778 (04 Dec 2017), which marks the 70th year since the UN voted to create (re-create?) Israel. Zechariah 1:12 states, “LORD of hosts, how long will you be without mercy for Jerusalem and the cities of Judah that have felt your anger these seventy years?” Note that biblical Judah was made up of what we now call Samaria and Judea, which together make up the West Bank or the Palestinian Authority. In 1947, the West Bank was to form the State of Palestine. The Arabs rejected this, and Jordan took the territory over and controlled it until the 6-Day War in 1968. Zechariah was given his vision on 24 Sh'vat.

Quis, I happened to go read the original post by Julie on Sept. 8, 2015. At the end of the message, she has a number of scripture quotes which apparently relate to the message. The last quote is Psalm 27:5 (KJV):

5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

When John 1:14 says that, "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us," the word translated as "dwelt" is more literally translated as "booth" or "tabernacle." Sukkot is the Feast of Tents or Feast of Tabernacles. It's a 10-day feast that begins on 15 Tishrei. Some dates: 15 Tishrei 5777 falls on 17 Oct 2016, next year on 05 Oct 2017, and on 24 Sep 2018. Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is Simchat Torah which is "Joy of Torah" or "Joy of the Word", and it marks the End and Beginning of Torah Cycle of Readings. This is on 23 Tishrei. 23 Tishrei 5778 is 13 Oct 2017 -- the 100th Anniversary of Fatima.

Carol55, David Flynn, in Temple at the Center of Time, points out that due to precession (the "wobble" in Earth's rotation), the North Pole didn't always point at Polaris. Instead, it traces out a circle encompassing the constellation Draco that takes 25,920 years to complete. For the past 8,640 years (one-third of 25,920), the North Pole has been tracing an arc that encompasses one-third of the stars of the tail of Draco. Thus, in addition to the stars representing the proportion of angels that followed the Dragon in the Heavenly Rebellion (the typical interpretation; also the proportion of priests, bishops, and religious that will follow the Antichrist), it also represents the length of time (8,640 years) from the creation of the world until the time that Satan's hold on the earth is released (when the trail of precession leaves the tail of Draco). Flynn's math get's kinda fuzzy around this point, mostly because I think he's relying on old Protestant forms of dating events in the Bible compared with modern methods that take into account stuff like changes ancient rabbis may have made in scripture to lead away from showing Jesus as the Messiah. In any case, it's an interesting thesis.

 

Muzhik, I admit that I am very uncertain about the red dragon explanation, thank you for the information that you provided.
As for the abomination of desolation, there may have been more than one occurrence of this (or there will be). If you read Matthew 24 which seems to discuss the end times a separate abomination of desolation is discussed there.
Matthew 24
The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times
24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short , no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (IMO this is the Warning). And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Edited: Because I flip-flopped once again, on the when. See later post.

 

{Carol55 quote.}
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. {Close quote}

Could we ask ourselves from the above quote.

Could the sun be likened to the Gospel, God's word, and its not being preached from the pulpits.
Could the moon be likened to Blessed Mother, and the statues being removed from the Churches.
Could the stars be likened to the Bishops and Priests of the Church, one third being fallen.
Could the Heavenly bodies be likened to the Papal authority damaged by disloyalty.

Could we already be in diabolical disorientation, or ‘the abomination that causes desolation'

Only God knows.

 

Your analysis on everything else could be so too, very difficult to determine. Because in Revelation when it states a third of the stars fall from the sky, I don't think that is literal? I hope not.

 

The third of the stars being Priests and Bishops comes from Father S. Gobbi RIP. I don't know if you have read about Father Gobbi and the Marian Movement of Priests.

 

I haven't taken the time to go through all of Father Gobbi's prophecies I have only read a little bit. I must have picked up the reference to it representing priests somewhere on MOG. Someone also posted that they will be closing 1/3 of the churches in a part of Scotland and I wondered if it meant a third of the churches worldwide but the two are related correct? Less priests, less churches.
Thanks Julia. I wonder if Muzhik will post to let us know her opinion now that I have included more scripture. The more heads involved maybe we'll figure it out. In any case, time will tell.

 

It appears that Mr. Yague says that in the first coming the "wisdom of the Magi" is explained by certain star positions.....so....it would be reasonable to look for same astronomical signs as the Magi's wisdom has given us for the 2nd coming:

around the 37 min. 19 sec. point in his video:



And he says in video 3 at around the 19 min. point "to find the second coming seek the sign of the woman in the stars" which comes every 12 years but the other times do not contain the restrictions necessary and do not fulfill what is necessary for the sign of the Apocalypse. But he refines the star positions with newer discoveries in the pattern of Our Lady of Guadalupe and comparing with other major apparitions. And he sees Garabandal as the only one with the image having 12 stars (without veil), has secrets, and has child already born. He says that Garabandal gives us information that was not revealed at Guadalupe (still hidden in that image)...fulfilling Guadalupe. Then he has on April 13, 2017 the situation he wants with the planet with Jupiter in the womb of Virgo with the moon under her feet. On that date also is the "coincidence" of the Jupiter patten of the first coming! And that is the central fact of scripture for the apocalypse of the book of revelation. And that combination does not come again until April 11, 2954. On that date, Apr. 13, 2017 also is the "coincidence" of the Jupiter patten of the first coming! Also coincident on that date is miracle time info of Garabandal. Unique in 100,000 years. And beginning of a final persecution of Her "seed".



And since Yague places the sign of the woman/Miracle of Garabandal on Apr. 13, 2017 and then the abomination of desolation following on Jul. 31, 2017, one could say that the Miracle has the purpose of buoying up the faithful for this coming time of tribulation. And then he has 3 1/2 years (lunar) from that date until the end of these times.

Simple...no? ha!

 

Yeah, not simple! Thanks ETA. And Antonio Yague has the abomination of desolation occurring after the warning and the miracle, he may be correct too. I just reread the scripture for the 1000th time and it is difficult to determine. Some times scripture gives a quick overview and then goes into detail. Once again, I am confused.

 

You want tracking? I'll give you tracking! By the use of seismic indicators! (and charts too!)

Well, we have "something else" sitting at the feet of the Virgo constellation....that "black star"!! Using the measurements of the graduating magnetic pull upon the earth via its seismic eruptions one can get an idea of that closing in of the incoming system:

Seismic indicators continue to say that Earth is moving through the first of two well-defined earth change lull periods for the 2016 Earth Orbit Cycle relative to the Black Star positioned at the feet of the Virgo Constellation relative to the Sun.

Start DateEnd Date# 8+# 7# 6# 5# 2.5 – 4Total This WeekWeek Total This Time Last Year
4/27/20145/3/201417L 00225230257202
05/17/1505/23/1517L 005*25256286*230
5/29/2016 6/04/201617L 00221223246*253

The reason for the uptick in total seismic events in the final column is that the nearside-alignment quake events are taking place ‘later’ each year, as the Black Star continues moving ‘left’ in the orbit diagram where the peak of activity generally focuses on Week 13 through 15.

Weekly seismic values for Week 17 are slightly higher than last week’s totals, as a bounce was expected for the 5-mag quake events and 2.5 to 4-magnitude quake events that were below average for Week 16. I really do not expect to see sub-200 weekly values for the key 2.5 to 4-magnitude earthquake events, until Earth reaches outside-orbit position making the right-triangle relative to the Sun and Black Star anticipated for the third week of August 2016. This is also the time that I expect to see two sub-20 values together over the two-week period, because the Black Star/Earth magnetic portal connection will reach a maximum length for our planet to receive the smallest amount of redirected solar electromagnetism for the active internal conduits to switch over to ‘passive state’ allowing Earth core to cool through the period. The two sub-20 values for the 5-mag quake events were not expected so close to the nearside-alignment quake event for Week 15 and 16, because that has not happened since the Project Black Star Investigation began in January 2011. The expectation moving forward is for this first earth change lull period to run well into August 2016 with seismic values gradually decreasing, but with bounces here and there across the board; as our planet works overtime finding equilibrium through this period that Earth core is cooling down.

Earth saw five new volcanic eruptions this week with focus on the Indonesian side of the Pacific Ocean/Ring of Fire identified as the starting/origination point where big activity starts with each earth change uptick period, until weeks pass and the activity spreads around the northern and southern regions of the largest tectonic/volcanic network on Earth. This new volcanic eruption event value bounced up from just three last week and two the previous week, because of deep seismic activity causing rising magma plumes increasing volcanic/magma pressures finding release at the volcano locations. I expect the new weekly volcanic eruption event values to remain on the low side of the spectrum (between 0 and 5) all the way around to mid/late August, but fluctuating up and down with deep earthquake activity; as our planet has definitely gone through another Pacific Ocean/Ring of Fire Tectonic/Volcanic Pressure Shift since the 8.3 Chile Quake in Week 34 of the 2015 Earth Orbit Cycle.

http://planetxnews.com/2016/06/09/project-black-star-update-volume-23-2016/

 

If there is something to this Planet X business ... then ... could it be part of The Great Deception? I still believe, short of a Great Deception, it would be impossible to keep this a Secret ... way too many amateur astronomers "out-there" with PCs & I-Phones!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

Well, if, up to this point, you know any amateur astronomers with powerful infrared telescopes then they would not have to depend only on what has been gleaned from the scattered reports of debunked articles of mainstream media dating back to the 1980s and earlier, historical evidence, and the reported changes in the outer planets' orbits. For that is the basis for the positing of this system....as well as its former history. Only now are there scattered reports of actual sightings and that is why now there is so much more interest. I suppose it's still the truth of human nature....that seeing is believing. Science though also has the ability to watch for cause and effect for its logical speculation.

 

Perhaps this might fit here....esp. under the category of aliens....but

The end of an era! RIP ALF:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/13/michu-meszaros-dead-alf-actor-died

 

A sunspot, several times the size of the earth, in the shape of a heart shows up on the earth-facing side of the sun.

This is a beautiful sign for those of us looking towards the light of the Son

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The shot below is less positive, but it could be interpreted as man trying to cover up the heavenly signs.

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I think I remember reading in Cletus Shefers's material that the abomination of desolation is the fake church on earth wherein there will be no more Blessed Sacrament, no more Consecration. It will be the new church that the Antichrist will form. The lukewarm will be there, I fear. The Antichrist will abolish the Mass. The remnant Christians will be underground. I am not sure of the timeline. I wonder if the warning will be first, so that hopefully many souls will have time to go to Confession and stay with Our Lord and Our Lady in a state of grace during this awful time when the sheep are being separated more and more from the goats.

 

I need to meditate on these things some times and I think you are correct. It makes sense also that the abomination of desolation occurs when the anti-Christ and the False Prophet are in place. What the Garabandal seers describe is a persecution, they even call it that, and I believe that they state even the Pope will flee the Vatican because of it.

 

An overdose of info re: the incoming system. Doesn't seem to know too much about Vatican history with science, esp. astronomy, with it other telescopes in Rome/Castel Gondolfo: This guy has a good memory for at least general facts: